Packer 2022 Defense Thoughts

[APB]

Barry's prevent actually was successful, the clock expired and we won the game.

[Acrobat]

Oh Jesus

[Pckfn23]

I guess this play never happened

[go pak go]

Barry's prevent actually was successful, the clock expired and we won the game.

I'm just trying to piece together the transition of yoop defending Rodgers and knowing Rodgers intimately (more intimately than what Rodgers says in his own words) to now hating Rodgers, trashing Rodgers and replacing Rodgers with Joe Barry and a prevent defense.

I don't come here as often so I missed the transition. Feels like a different forum now.

[go pak go]

Devonte Wyatt is getting limited snaps but he is flashing in these snaps.

He had two absolutely beautiful plays vs Tampa. Mind you...he only had 6 real snaps.

[Yoop]

Barry's prevent actually was successful, the clock expired and we won the game.

I'm just trying to piece together the transition of yoop defending Rodgers and knowing Rodgers intimately (more intimately than what Rodgers says in his own words) to now hating Rodgers, trashing Rodgers and replacing Rodgers with Joe Barry and a prevent defense.

I don't come here as often so I missed the transition. Feels like a different forum now.

I defend what players do on the field, not there actions off it, and this line of bull &%$@ that I know what Rodgers thinks is just that, I've always said his actions on the field lead me to think certain things.

Rodgers has become a egotistical ass hole, most here have said that long before I have, thats different then Rodgers having to carry the team because he only had one legit WR for half a decade, a crap defense and ST's for even longer, yet every loss was his fault according to some here in this forum, people need to quit twisting what I say to suit there agenda.

your right the forum has changed, from normal back and forth conversations, to over the top sarcastic crap, rich with video insults, it seems I hurt some members feelings a few years back and they can't get over, thats to bad.
your accusing me of changing, if anything I'am not as callous or polarized, as for the rest take a hard look in the mirror, others obviously should as well.

[BF004]

yet every loss was his fault according to some here in this forum, people need to quit twisting what I say to suit there agenda.

Like, even you have to laugh at this, right?

[Yoop]

yet every loss was his fault according to some here in this forum, people need to quit twisting what I say to suit there agenda.

Like, even you have to laugh at this, right?

serious? why would I, are you going to say people here have not blamed Rodgers for not being basically perfect in games we lost when there where protection break downs, poor run blocking, a half doz dropped passes? if Rodgers doesn't over come these issue he is often the one that gets the blame.

I defended him based mostly for these reasons, yet I get called a player fan.

[Acrobat]

yet every loss was his fault according to some here in this forum, people need to quit twisting what I say to suit there agenda.

Like, even you have to laugh at this, right?

serious? why would I, are you going to say people here have not blamed Rodgers for not being basically perfect in games we lost when there where protection break downs, poor run blocking, a half doz dropped passes? if Rodgers doesn't over come these issue he is often the one that gets the blame.

I defended him based mostly for these reasons, yet I get called a player fan.

The next time you completely flip on an opinion, you should at least give us a forewarning because I think this one completely took us by surprise.

[Yoop]

Like, even you have to laugh at this, right?

serious? why would I, are you going to say people here have not blamed Rodgers for not being basically perfect in games we lost when there where protection break downs, poor run blocking, a half doz dropped passes? if Rodgers doesn't over come these issue he is often the one that gets the blame.

I defended him based mostly for these reasons, yet I get called a player fan.

The next time you completely flip on an opinion, you should at least give us a forewarning because I think this one completely took us by surprise.

there is no flipping here, that is YOU confusing what I said with your pre determined opinion of what I had said, again YOU need to quit twisting my comments and simply read the basic text, YOU, and others have failed at every level of civil conversation and you want to blame me for it, I defended Rodgers the player, I have not defended Rodgers the person in a long time, well before he lied about the vax.

besides Acrobat where you even around for it, you disappeared for years on end, it's why I said WHO are you, mostly light heartedly, but you got all butt hurt over it, made a big deal of it, unless I add in a kiss ass smilly people here act like 10 year olds.

[Acrobat]

YOU

[Acrobat]

Also, I hardly got butt hurt over it:

Is that in dog months?

I knew I shouldn't have asked the question, because your reply right now is what I expected, have a good day.

Well yeah of course my response was snarky. I've been a member of this community since the 2007 season.

[Realist]

Devonte Wyatt is getting limited snaps but he is flashing in these snaps.

He had two absolutely beautiful plays vs Tampa. Mind you...he only had 6 real snaps.

I was just going to post how disappointed I was regarding Wyatt. Loved the pick. Feel a little better after ur post. He seemed nfl ready. I hope he gets some more exended snaps going forward.

[Drj820]

Devonte Wyatt is getting limited snaps but he is flashing in these snaps.

He had two absolutely beautiful plays vs Tampa. Mind you...he only had 6 real snaps.

Lowry isn’t going to be in the long term plan. He’s a JAG that’s playing pretty decent!

I would consider trading Lowry while he may have value or I would continue to trim his snaps. Not because he’s necessarily doing anything wrong...but Wyatt needs those snaps. Wyatt is under contract for the next 4 years for fairly cheap, no reason to waste one of those years so a guy like Lowry can get snaps.

Is lowry better? MAYBE, but it’s marginal and not worth him taking snaps all things considered

[go pak go]

Devonte Wyatt is getting limited snaps but he is flashing in these snaps.

He had two absolutely beautiful plays vs Tampa. Mind you...he only had 6 real snaps.

Lowry isn’t going to be in the long term plan. He’s a JAG that’s playing pretty decent!

I would consider trading Lowry while he may have value or I would continue to trim his snaps. Not because he’s necessarily doing anything wrong...but Wyatt needs those snaps. Wyatt is under contract for the next 4 years for fairly cheap, no reason to waste one of those years so a guy like Lowry can get snaps.

Is lowry better? MAYBE, but it’s marginal and not worth him taking snaps all things considered

It's a long season. Wyatt will get his snaps if he deserves them. Trading Lowry doesn't make much sense. The value wouldn't be there and injuries at some point do happen.

[Yoop]

Devonte Wyatt is getting limited snaps but he is flashing in these snaps.

He had two absolutely beautiful plays vs Tampa. Mind you...he only had 6 real snaps.

Lowry isn’t going to be in the long term plan. He’s a JAG that’s playing pretty decent!

I would consider trading Lowry while he may have value or I would continue to trim his snaps. Not because he’s necessarily doing anything wrong...but Wyatt needs those snaps. Wyatt is under contract for the next 4 years for fairly cheap, no reason to waste one of those years so a guy like Lowry can get snaps.

Is lowry better? MAYBE, but it’s marginal and not worth him taking snaps all things considered

Lowery leads our DT's with 11 tackles, Clark has 9, Gary has 12, Wyatt has 1, Campbell has 29 ( our monster in the box), Rasul has 15, and he's a great deceiver, since you can bounce him in or out, same now with a guy like Walker, the more players that can move around the more deceptive your defense can be.

Back to Lowery, we ( some of us) have been trying to replace Lowery every season since his 2nd year, imo mostly because we expect DT's to emerge as quickly as WR's do, but most don't, it's simply a tough transition from college O lineman to pro OL, Wyatt will be a good one as long as we have a little patience and don't force feed him to quick

[Drj820]

Devonte Wyatt is getting limited snaps but he is flashing in these snaps.

He had two absolutely beautiful plays vs Tampa. Mind you...he only had 6 real snaps.

Lowry isn’t going to be in the long term plan. He’s a JAG that’s playing pretty decent!

I would consider trading Lowry while he may have value or I would continue to trim his snaps. Not because he’s necessarily doing anything wrong...but Wyatt needs those snaps. Wyatt is under contract for the next 4 years for fairly cheap, no reason to waste one of those years so a guy like Lowry can get snaps.

Is lowry better? MAYBE, but it’s marginal and not worth him taking snaps all things considered

Lowery leads our DT's with 11 tackles, Clark has 9, Gary has 12, Wyatt has 1, Campbell has 29 ( our monster in the box), Rasul has 15, and he's a great deceiver, since you can bounce him in or out, same now with a guy like Walker, the more players that can move around the more deceptive your defense can be.

Back to Lowery, we ( some of us) have been trying to replace Lowery every season since his 2nd year, imo mostly because we expect DT's to emerge as quickly as WR's do, but most don't, it's simply a tough transition from college O lineman to pro OL, Wyatt will be a good one as long as we have a little patience and don't force feed him to quick

Who is lowery?

[Pckfn23]

So this is interesting. Personally I have never been a fan of defenses that try to "string out" the run, forcing it to the sideline. In concept it gives the 2nd level time to get there and make a play. In reality, I feel it is too boom and bust. If the runner can get the corner it is a huge gain as there isn't anyone left out there. We ran this type of run defense where I coach and it worked when we had athletes, but didn't when the athletes were lacking. I prefer to set that edge and force everything back inside. To me it just makes sense to force things back to the help. One draw back is that it does hit faster and give the 2nd level less time to adjust.

[Acrobat]

So this is interesting. Personally I have never been a fan of defenses that try to "string out" the run, forcing it to the sideline. In concept it gives the 2nd level time to get there and make a play. In reality, I feel it is too boom and bust. If the runner can get the corner it is a huge gain as there isn't anyone left out there. We ran this type of run defense where I coach and it worked when we had athletes, but didn't when the athletes were lacking. I prefer to set that edge and force everything back inside. To me it just makes sense to force things back to the help. One draw back is that it does hit faster and give the 2nd level less time to adjust.

Does this also help defend play action passes more because the DB don't feel as compelled to fly up the field to help with run support or is that too linear of thinking on my part?

[Pckfn23]

So this is interesting. Personally I have never been a fan of defenses that try to "string out" the run, forcing it to the sideline. In concept it gives the 2nd level time to get there and make a play. In reality, I feel it is too boom and bust. If the runner can get the corner it is a huge gain as there isn't anyone left out there. We ran this type of run defense where I coach and it worked when we had athletes, but didn't when the athletes were lacking. I prefer to set that edge and force everything back inside. To me it just makes sense to force things back to the help. One draw back is that it does hit faster and give the 2nd level less time to adjust.

Does this also help defend play action passes more because the DB don't feel as compelled to fly up the field to help with run support or is that too linear of thinking on my part?

I think you are on the right track, but it doesn't help against play action. Play action would generally only affect those players with eyes on the RB, ie... linebackers. What it does allow us to do is play less zone. It is REALLY tough to spill the running back and play sound run defense without corners or safeties playing run on the edge. In man that's really tough to do as eyes are definitely not in the backfield. At least in zone they are facing the line and eyes can peak. I think it may be the reason we switched after Barry got blasted for playing so much zone.