Current state of the Packers (a.k.a. Guillotine watch)

[Scott4Pack]

Just lost to the Lions. Five game losing streak. Mayhem and chaos describe Packer Nation. What should be done?

Injuries
Declining skills of starting QB
OLine rotation
Defense can’t stop the run - period
Mysterious “problem” showing the ship isn’t right

Do we fire anybody?
Do we sit starters? (Do we have enough healthy players to do so?)
Do we bring in anybody?

1. How bad is it truly?
2. What needs to be done now to control the damage?

Assess and discuss. (Be the GM!)

[Scott4Pack]

First of all, if the injuries don’t abate, then it’ll hardly matter what else is done. When you can’t field enough healthy players, it becomes symbolism.

I hope our WRs can finally put a steady corps out there, even if it still takes until December to get it.

The OLine still evolves around 69. Bahktiari’ s knee is still a guessing game. And as he goes, the OLine also goes. I do think they can still be good, but that’s hard to do when you’re starting different guys each week and some can’t even finish a game.

The D has life, but dreams of being as good as last year are not realistic, I think.

What can be done to help Aaron Rodgers stop his bad reads and bad passes?

[APB]

I think once the season is over we’re gonna be hearing multiple anonymous accounts about widespread cultural toxicity behind closed doors at 1265 Lombardi. I think we’re gonna hear about upper management/coaching staff differences, we’ll hear about player/coach issues on both offense and defense, and player-on-player issues, particularly on offense revolving around QB1.

So yeah, I suspect the Packers organization, in its entirety, is a mess.

[RingoCStarrQB]

I think once the season is over we’re gonna be hearing multiple anonymous accounts about widespread cultural toxicity behind closed doors at 1265 Lombardi. I think we’re gonna hear about upper management/coaching staff differences, we’ll hear about player/coach issues on both offense and defense, and player-on-player issues, particularly on offense revolving around QB1.

So yeah, I suspect the Packers organization, in its entirety, is a mess.

This why I'd like to bring in Mooch.

[Realist]

I think once the season is over we’re gonna be hearing multiple anonymous accounts about widespread cultural toxicity behind closed doors at 1265 Lombardi. I think we’re gonna hear about upper management/coaching staff differences, we’ll hear about player/coach issues on both offense and defense, and player-on-player issues, particularly on offense revolving around QB1.

So yeah, I suspect the Packers organization, in its entirety, is a mess.

This why I'd like to bring in Mooch.

67 year old sportscaster. I like it.

[APB]

I think once the season is over we’re gonna be hearing multiple anonymous accounts about widespread cultural toxicity behind closed doors at 1265 Lombardi. I think we’re gonna hear about upper management/coaching staff differences, we’ll hear about player/coach issues on both offense and defense, and player-on-player issues, particularly on offense revolving around QB1.

So yeah, I suspect the Packers organization, in its entirety, is a mess.

This why I'd like to bring in Mooch.

Why?

You do realize Mooch hasn’t coached since 2005, right? And by not coached, I mean at any level in any capacity.

That aside, let’s not forget the one stop where Mariucci had any HC success was with a veteran 49er team he inherited from the retired George Siefert made up of true professionals like Jerry Rice, Steve Young, Dana Stubblefield, and Ken Norton Jr. Those guys had the respect of the young players and Mariucci pretty much let them run the lockerroom. Mariucci's not the "lay the hammer down" type. And that's what did him up when he took over in Detroit. They had a young team that needed to be kicked in the rear and Mariucci's not the guy who does that.

You think Mooch’s loose leadership style is what’s needed to turn this undisciplined Packer team around? You think Mooch is the guy to hard coach Rodgers back to prominence? What exactly is it about Mooch that’s got you advocating for him in multiple threads? I’m genuinely curious.

[wallyuwl]

I think once the season is over we’re gonna be hearing multiple anonymous accounts about widespread cultural toxicity behind closed doors at 1265 Lombardi. I think we’re gonna hear about upper management/coaching staff differences, we’ll hear about player/coach issues on both offense and defense, and player-on-player issues, particularly on offense revolving around QB1.

So yeah, I suspect the Packers organization, in its entirety, is a mess.

Those anonymous reports will be worth what they cost to read... nothing.

[APB]

I think once the season is over we’re gonna be hearing multiple anonymous accounts about widespread cultural toxicity behind closed doors at 1265 Lombardi. I think we’re gonna hear about upper management/coaching staff differences, we’ll hear about player/coach issues on both offense and defense, and player-on-player issues, particularly on offense revolving around QB1.

So yeah, I suspect the Packers organization, in its entirety, is a mess.

Those anonymous reports will be worth what they cost to read... nothing.

You’ll still read and comment on the reposts here. With enthusiasm.

[wallyuwl]

I think once the season is over we’re gonna be hearing multiple anonymous accounts about widespread cultural toxicity behind closed doors at 1265 Lombardi. I think we’re gonna hear about upper management/coaching staff differences, we’ll hear about player/coach issues on both offense and defense, and player-on-player issues, particularly on offense revolving around QB1.

So yeah, I suspect the Packers organization, in its entirety, is a mess.

Those anonymous reports will be worth what they cost to read... nothing.

You’ll still read and comment on the reposts here. With enthusiasm.

Maybe. Only to say they are worthless. Put your name to it or shut up is my perspective.

[lupedafiasco]

I believe Rodgers is currently throwing games to get the coach and GM fired. I don’t think that will be a popular opinion but I called it back in 2017/18 that he was taking matters into his own hands. He couldn’t trust them to make the right decisions then kind of like now.

It’s a win win for Rodgers he either gets competent management or he gets traded to an organization not run by $%@# clowns.

[APB]

I believe Rodgers is currently throwing games to get the coach and GM fired. I don’t think that will be a popular opinion but I called it back in 2017/18 that he was taking matters into his own hands. He couldn’t trust them to make the right decisions then kind of like now.

It’s a win win for Rodgers he either gets competent management or he gets traded to an organization not run by $%@# clowns.

Just a few weeks ago you were going on about how Rodgers was the only player pulling his weight on offense. Now he’s throwing games.

At least you finally admit he’s playing like &%$@.

[lupedafiasco]

I believe Rodgers is currently throwing games to get the coach and GM fired. I don’t think that will be a popular opinion but I called it back in 2017/18 that he was taking matters into his own hands. He couldn’t trust them to make the right decisions then kind of like now.

It’s a win win for Rodgers he either gets competent management or he gets traded to an organization not run by $%@# clowns.

Just a few weeks ago you were going on about how Rodgers was the only player pulling his weight on offense. Now he’s throwing games.

At least you finally admit he’s playing like &%$@.

I don’t believe a single QB in the history of the game could be successful with this supporting cast.

[texas]

I don't think we fire anybody. I don't think we should, although cutting Watkins makes sense if he thinks he can go to a contender (as if any of them would want him).

We're 1 game out of playoffs (LOL!).

Once we lose like 3 more games then I would be in favor of seeing what we've got down the depth chart, but the thing is, we're not going to fire MLF, we're not going to fire BG, we're not going to move on from Rodgers unless he wants it (and I doubt he does, but maybe he will), we're not going to fire Joe Barry or Bisaccia. I just don't see us having 1 bad season and blowing anything up.

So if we don't do any of that, what exactly can we even do? All we can do is try to load up again for next year. And on that front, we have to start with WR and do like a 2007 Patriots and just get an entirely new WR room.

I'm not sure about Bakhtiari. I'll let others make that determination.

[bud fox]

Management is the issue.

The coach and the qb have won.

We now have one of the worst receiving groups of all time and nearly as bad oline.

You can't go 10 years without a first rounder on off not including Love.

2nd round Lacy Dillon Adams Watson - not counting oline.

4 offensive picks in 10 years in first 2 rounds out of 25 potential picks. Wasting 2 on rbs.

[Yoop]

I think once the season is over we’re gonna be hearing multiple anonymous accounts about widespread cultural toxicity behind closed doors at 1265 Lombardi. I think we’re gonna hear about upper management/coaching staff differences, we’ll hear about player/coach issues on both offense and defense, and player-on-player issues, particularly on offense revolving around QB1.

So yeah, I suspect the Packers organization, in its entirety, is a mess.

are you speaking past or present toxicity these are the hangover issues that started with Murphy's allowing loyalty to get in the way of demoting Ted a year or two earlier, which escalated by giving Rodgers a massive contract when he still had 2 years on his existing contract, promoting Guty to GM, retaining a lame duck McCarthy, and not finding a ready to play receiver of quality to match with Adams.

followed by hiring a new coach a year later without even allowing Rodgers a virtual meeting with the prospect, whatever ya think about that ( right or wrong ) Rodgers felt snubbed, ( the same way he felt snuubed with the drafting of mid round receivers that where to raw to play that same year)

to me there has been issues since the day Guty was promoted, maybe Rodgers didn't like him, or maybe Guty didn't like Rodgers, his actions concerning bringing receivers seem to point in that direction, it takes a concerted effort to neglect the position as he has done.

either way, I'll keep rooting for a win each week, but I believe your right, keep losing and there will be some blame gaming inside 1265.

[Yoop]

Management is the issue.

The coach and the qb have won.

We now have one of the worst receiving groups of all time and nearly as bad oline.

You can't go 10 years without a first rounder on off not including Love.

2nd round Lacy Dillon Adams Watson - not counting oline.

4 offensive picks in 10 years in first 2 rounds out of 25 potential picks. Wasting 2 on rbs.

they had Rodgers carrying the offense off and on most of a decade, with sprinkles of improvement on defense thrown in, the neglect of improvement at WR was do to so many missed draft picks on defense, waiting till past the last minute to add talent at the position is leading to a total collapse, but it's obviously the QB's fault, nothing changes, he SUCKS is the cry from the peanut gallery

[Labrev]

(*whiny stuff*), but it's obviously the QB's fault, nothing changes, he SUCKS is the cry from the peanut gallery

[BF004]

After recent years, Lafleur and Gutenkunst are as safe as safe can be. Whether that makes you feel anger or frustration, it's just truth. We aren’t firing a 40 year old HC with like the 10 best win % in NFL history after a struggling first half of season with which most would a agree is not a championship caliber roster.


Tom Clements probably not back.

Adam Stenavich and Jason Vrable the two you probably keep an eye on.

Packers still 6th in yards allowed on D, Joe Barry surely not in much danger, either.


Obviously Aaron Rodgers.

Other than that, vets like Amos, Cobb, Preston, Dean, Reed, at risk.

Be really really stupid to cut Aaron Jones to save $10M at this point. He would be the best thing if we switch to Love and his development.



Kind of wonder how this year will impact resigning of Gary and Jenkins. Gary on 5th year option, but we could probably free up a little money next year with an early extension should we choose. Pretty much exact same situation as Jaire and they extended him early off after 4th year injury.

[go pak go]

The Aaron Jones thing will be contingent on Kylin Hill. The dude looked fast again on Sunday. I get Jones being a weapon for the offense with a young QB, but if we have another player who can do it for far less, it may make sense to ship Jones off somewhere to save on cap space and net some draft picks.

[Labrev]

I kinda want Jones to go to a team that will not waste his talent and will get him a ring, neither of which will be true of us while Jones is in his prime. Aaron Jones deserves better, release him as a courtesy. I would miss him, but alas...