What to do with Aaron (with season now in dumpster)?

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blah blah blah, Rodgers isn't the reason we lost last years playoff game, part of it , sure, in 2020 PO game receivers dropped 7 passes, 2 where TD passes

and part of his problem from clean pockets are over 30 dropped passes in 9 games, people that put all this crap on Rodgers are fools to think he wouldn't do better with the 2020 OL and just one ( 1) competent WR.

He's not going anywhere unless he wants to, get use to it.

Diseases, poverty, terrorism, et. al. probably aren't going away, either, but that doesn't mean we have to lay back and enjoy it.

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simply fix the OL, and Rodgers is better, add or get improvement from existing receivers and Rodgers is better, he may have declined some, but odds are that he is better then anyone we can replace him with, over 30 dropped passes screams that our problems don't lay at the feet of Rodgers, and just look this OL, what we should do is concentrate on fixing the obvious, and less on thinking we have to do something at QB.

specially when we can't do much about it anyway

Plug Love (or anybody else) in there to replace AR, and it still reads correctly. And, any of the others certainly wouldn't be eating the cap and may well not be as petulant or uninspiring as Rodgers.

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Rodgers in MVP form is still a playoff choke artist. Even in his SuperBowl-winning season, he needed to be carried by a defense that could score points *for* him because he sucked in the NFCCG as always and then couldn't put away PIT in the 'Bowl game while they were still very much in the game.

On top of that, can't teach an old dog new tricks. Rodgers's game is aging like milk. He relied on a great arm to get away with a lack of mechanics and still tries to run around to buy time even though he's lost a step and was never very durable. He should have been changing the way he plays and be more of a pocket passer. Right now, he's the 5th worst QB from a clean pocket (two of the worse QBs are the starters in Indy and Carolina, who just started playing).

Do whatever it takes to get rid of him.

blah blah blah, Rodgers isn't the reason we lost last years playoff game, part of it , sure, in 2020 PO game receivers dropped 7 passes, 2 where TD passes

and part of his problem from clean pockets are over 30 dropped passes in 9 games, people that put all this crap on Rodgers are fools to think he wouldn't do better with the 2020 OL and just one ( 1) competent WR.

He's not going anywhere unless he wants to, get use to it.

This is a serious question.

What was the 2nd TD drop in the 2020 NFCCG? I remember the Adams drop. Not the other one on the top of my head.

might not have been in the EZ, and it may have been Lazard, whomever it was had a easy TD if he'd caught the ball.

23: he obviously isn't the same QB he was a few years back, but he is still closer to the MVP QB he was the last 2 years then this over the hill dilapidated QB some here describe.

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he is still closer to the MVP QB he was the last 2 years then this over the hill dilapidated QB some here describe.

His play doesn't really back that up, but who other than 1 person is describing him thus?

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blah blah blah, Rodgers isn't the reason we lost last years playoff game, part of it , sure, in 2020 PO game receivers dropped 7 passes, 2 where TD passes

Yeah, there's always some excuse. If not WR, it will be OL, or D, or ST. That's exactly how you know he's a loser.

Rodgers is never the reason we lose those games, because he plays not to lose. He just goes 3-and-out in critical, must-score moments to avoid the INT. He needed to be the reason we WIN those games, i.e. go out and make the winning play. In the playoffs, you have to TAKE the game from the opponent. That's not Rodgers, gotta avoid the INT at all costs.

and part of his problem from clean pockets are over 30 dropped passes in 9 games, people that put all this crap on Rodgers are fools to think he wouldn't do better with the 2020 OL and just one ( 1) competent WR.

I don't care; he will just end up choking the playoffs away like always.

He's not going anywhere unless he wants to, get use to it.

Cool, I'm not going anywhere either: get 'use'<sic> to it.

he sure as hell didn't choke the 2020 po's away, or even last year, look around at PO games, teams tend to play conservative often the whole game, the goal isn't just to outscore the opponent, it's also not to beat yourself, and let the other team make the mistakes that most often is what decides these games

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Aaron isn't your average cat, but Tom Brady shouldn't be the expectation either.

My hope was more of a Drew Brees type of arc, sort of a spread-the-ball-around, "point guard" type play at QB, a lot of running the ball and passing to the RBs (OL was also built up to run more through draft investment: Armstead, Peat, Unger, Ramcyk all were early dp's), win with the QB's wits. I thought it was pretty cool how the Saints transitioned to a different style of O as Brees aged, making him have to do less.

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to everyone arguing with me, your wasting your breath, Rodgers is our QB till either he retires or this contract runs it's course, without a doubt I still think he is our best option, Love isn't even a option imho, again you people simply are refusing to acknowledge the obvious, the inconsistent OL play and receivers have led to the collapse of the offense, far more then the decline of Rodgers

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the goal isn't just to outscore the opponent

Hehe, quote of the century.

What? Need to do it with style?

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Aaron isn't your average cat, but Tom Brady shouldn't be the expectation either.

My hope was more of a Drew Brees type of arc, sort of a spread-the-ball-around, "point guard" type play at QB, a lot of running the ball and passing to the RBs (OL was also built up to run more through draft investment: Armstead, Peat, Unger, Ramcyk all were early dp's), win with the QB's wits. I thought it was pretty cool how the Saints transitioned to a different style of O as Brees aged, making him have to do less.

who's he going to spread the ball around to, the run has not been as affective as earlier in the season simply because the OL hasn't been consistent, and defenses don't fear our passing so they load up to stop the run, this isn't rocket science, unless you have some success passing running is harder.

we where evolved into that type offense in 20 and 21, but we only had 1 quality receiver, both RB's had a K, the problem in the PO's is defenses are better and know how to defend ya better, Rodgers developed tunnel vision with Adams, who the hell wouldn't when after Adams the decline at the position is so steep.

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look around at PO games, teams tend to play conservative often the whole game, the goal isn't just to outscore the opponent, it's also not to beat yourself, and let the other team make the mistakes that most often is what decides these games

Costly mistakes and playing scared are two sides of the same coin, both will lose you game; playing scared IS a mistake (of game strategy rather than on-field play).

Speaking of that 2020 game you keep bringing up, Brady had more picks than Rodgers, but he ended up winning because he went out and made WINNING plays while Rodgers didn't make any even after being gifted those INTs by the D.

Now before you run to Rodgers's defense again, let's stay focused and return to the original point you were making: teams play conservative often the whole game, mistakes decide these games.

Tampa didn't play conservative; they played aggressive, going for a Hail Mary at the end of the half when they didn't even need the points (just extending their lead) is the definition of aggressive. And in the process, they made plenty of mistakes, about as many as we did, maybe even more. Rodgers's INT wasn't even a mistake, it was PI by the corner, so Brady made more mistakes and bigger ones.

Yet Brady still won over Rodgers. The idea that safe play wins is disproven by the game you keep pointing to.

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the goal isn't just to outscore the opponent

Hehe, quote of the century.

What? Need to do it with style?

did you miss the word JUST, only a fool would think mistakes don't matter in sports, mistakes are what usually decides the outcome of PO games, reality.

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look around at PO games, teams tend to play conservative often the whole game, the goal isn't just to outscore the opponent, it's also not to beat yourself, and let the other team make the mistakes that most often is what decides these games

Costly mistakes and playing scared are two sides of the same coin, both will lose you game; playing scared IS a mistake (of game strategy rather than on-field play).

Speaking of that 2020 game you keep bringing up, Brady had more picks than Rodgers, but he ended up winning because he went out and made WINNING plays while Rodgers didn't make any even after being gifted those INTs by the D.

Now before you run to Rodgers's defense again, let's stay focused and return to the original point you were making: teams play conservative often the whole game, mistakes decide these games.

Tampa didn't play conservative; they played aggressive, going for a Hail Mary at the end of the half when they didn't even need the points (just extending their lead) is the definition of aggressive. And in the process, they made plenty of mistakes, about as many as we did, maybe even more. Rodgers's INT wasn't even a mistake, it was PI by the corner, so Brady made more mistakes and bigger ones.

Yet Brady still won over Rodgers. The idea that safe play wins is disproven by the game you keep pointing to.

extremes, hey Labrev if it bothers you so much that Rodgers is our QB send a email where it might give you some pause, I'am sure Murphy, Gutekunst or even Lafluer would love to hear from some college kid on how to solve our problems
teams play conservative in PO games, go watch any of them, they start that way and usually stay that way most of the game, when they figure out how a defense is playing then often they attack, Rodgers and Brady etc are not that much different in that respect, and if the defense is able to adjust to stop the attack they become conservative again if they can't over come the defensive adjustment.
and who the hell did we have to attack with last year, Jones and Adams, they swarmed Adams, but two offensive threats isn't going to strike fear in a defense.

again, why argue about something you have zero control over, if your not going anywhere then you need to accept the obvious, Rodgers is here till he doesn't want to be, the people you and others here defend saw to that 5 years ago, and again just last year

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The people that refuse to acknoledge just how bad Lazard was in that conference game against Brady is baffling to me. That was the one of the biggest choke jobs in an NFL playoff game. He cost us 2 TDs and an INT in that game.

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the goal isn't just to outscore the opponent

Hehe, quote of the century.

What? Need to do it with style?

did you miss the word JUST, only a fool would think mistakes don't matter in sports, mistakes are what usually decides the outcome of PO games, reality.

Hehe, just outscoring the opponent isn't enough? Again, we have to do it with style? I would think just outscoring the opponent is all we need!

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who's he going to spread the ball around to, the run has not been as affective as earlier in the season simply because the OL hasn't been consistent, and defenses don't fear our passing so they load up to stop the run, this isn't rocket science, unless you have some success passing running is harder.

we where evolved into that type offense in 20 and 21, but we only had 1 quality receiver, both RB's had a K, the problem in the PO's is defenses are better and know how to defend ya better, Rodgers developed tunnel vision with Adams, who the hell wouldn't when after Adams the decline at the position is so steep.

If Detroit are loading the box to stop the run, then a competent QB ought to be able to find enough plays to Lazard, Tonyan, Jones, Lewis, and a motley collection of wide receivers, to run the score up into double figures.

If you have a below par set of receivers, then the MVP quarterback is supposed to help them raise their game. If the MVP quarterback is going to play no better than a rookie, then what's the point of having him?

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who's he going to spread the ball around to, the run has not been as affective as earlier in the season simply because the OL hasn't been consistent, and defenses don't fear our passing so they load up to stop the run, this isn't rocket science, unless you have some success passing running is harder.

we where evolved into that type offense in 20 and 21, but we only had 1 quality receiver, both RB's had a K, the problem in the PO's is defenses are better and know how to defend ya better, Rodgers developed tunnel vision with Adams, who the hell wouldn't when after Adams the decline at the position is so steep.

If Detroit are loading the box to stop the run, then a competent QB ought to be able to find enough plays to Lazard, Tonyan, Jones, Lewis, and a motley collection of wide receivers, to run the score up into double figures.

If you have a below par set of receivers, then the MVP quarterback is supposed to help them raise their game. If the MVP quarterback is going to play no better than a rookie, then what's the point of having him?

blah blah blah, I will not take a post like your seriously, sorry, try again.

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blah blah blah, I will not take a post like your seriously, sorry, try again.

Wow, now there's a surprise.

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The people that refuse to acknoledge just how bad Lazard was in that conference game against Brady is baffling to me. That was the one of the biggest choke jobs in an NFL playoff game. He cost us 2 TDs and an INT in that game.

B B But Lazard was open on that last play of the game, it's ridiculous how people over look the crap play on the team and zero in on Rodgers, comments range from missing a open Lazard as though that had been the norm all game, and Lazar was our #2 receiver, as though that should get a pass to boot, the defense of this FO never ends.

I don't agree with firing Guty or anyone, but they sure the heck deserve more blame then Rodgers, comments around here are beyond idiotic.

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blah blah blah, I will not take a post like your seriously, sorry, try again.

Wow, now there's a surprise.

whats not a surprise is you showing up when the team does bad

GO PACK GO

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blah blah blah, I will not take a post like your seriously, sorry, try again.

Do you often find that sticking your fingers in your ears like a 2-year-old makes people want to talk to you?