Packers @ Eagles GDT: Sunday, Nov. 27th, 7:20 PM CST

[Scott4Pack]

Where is this notion coming from that the Eagles were playing “prevent” once Love entered the game? There are several Twitter clips of Love highlights and they all showed a defense still very much competing in a close game.

Just because @lupedafiasco has a narrative to stick to doesn’t make it true. The Eagle defense was giving Love similar looks as they were Rodgers.

The TD pass to Watson was a perfect example, if I remember correctly. The defense was layered and Love found Watson in the soft spot. The fact that he hit Watson in stride and that Watson took it to the house was frosting on the cake for a very good read of the D and a great pass made in normal circumstances.

[Pckfn23]

[go pak go]

Obviously, the difference is that we have seen a lot of bad from Love so far in his career so far to temper our expectations. Rodgers had a lot less play time up until that point.

Jordan Love has like 1 - 2 more quarters of playing time in his career before Dallas 2007 than Love had before Philly 2022.

Both showed some signs of minor good play (Rodgers had a good series before the turnover in Baltimore and Love had the plays in Detroit).

But by and large both had sucky performances before their "oh hey look at what he can do" moment on Prime Time TV

I don't think that's true, first of all. Unless you count like a pass here or there at the end of the game as 1 quarter (i.e. technically he played in the quarter so he gets credited with a quarter's worth of play time)

Second, Rodgers came in during mop up (or crunch time) duty of games that he wasn't prepared for. Jordan Love had 2 whole games last year where he knew he would be starting, and got to prepare accordingly, and still sucked.

So, not only do I think Jordan Love had a larger sample size from which we can draw conclusions, the sample itself was more meaningful due to the nature of the specifics.

Yeah you're wrong.

Aaron Rodgers

2005 - 1 Quarter of Play (literally first snap was 15:00 in the 4th quarter) at Baltimore. Favre got hurt late in the 3rd quarter. First play of the 4th quarter was a sack fumble. His play was bad.



2006 - 1.5 Quarters of Play (took over for injured Favre in middle 3rd quarter). His play was bad (should have thrown a pick on his first throw)



2007 - 2.7 Quarters of Play (took over for injured Favre in 2nd quarter roughly 9:00 left). And he was freaking good.



Total of about 5.25 quarters or so.

Jordan Love

2021 - Full game vs KC. His play was bad.

2021 - 2nd half vs Lions. Rodgers played the first half (losing to DET 13 to 17). Love played the 2nd half. (Packers scored 17 points in 2nd half). His play was better but not great.

2022 - Love came in with 10:33 to go in the game. His play was pretty darned good.

Total of about 6.75 quarters or so.


I was never counting Rodgers mop up duty. I was only counting the significant playing time Rodgers got in 2005, 2006 and 2007 and compared that to Love's significant playing time in 2021 and 2022. I guess I didn't include the Saints which truly was the definition of mop up duty vs a prevent defense.

But overall I really don't know what point you are driving. Both had snaps before their coming out party and both looked bad to horrible when they did it until their coming out party. That was the only correlation I made.

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[go pak go]

What the hell is going on here? Deguara was the best performing TE on the team until they started sitting him again.

I don't understand this coaching staff.

[texas]

Jordan Love has like 1 - 2 more quarters of playing time in his career before Dallas 2007 than Love had before Philly 2022.

Both showed some signs of minor good play (Rodgers had a good series before the turnover in Baltimore and Love had the plays in Detroit).

But by and large both had sucky performances before their "oh hey look at what he can do" moment on Prime Time TV

I don't think that's true, first of all. Unless you count like a pass here or there at the end of the game as 1 quarter (i.e. technically he played in the quarter so he gets credited with a quarter's worth of play time)

Second, Rodgers came in during mop up (or crunch time) duty of games that he wasn't prepared for. Jordan Love had 2 whole games last year where he knew he would be starting, and got to prepare accordingly, and still sucked.

So, not only do I think Jordan Love had a larger sample size from which we can draw conclusions, the sample itself was more meaningful due to the nature of the specifics.

Yeah you're wrong.

Aaron Rodgers

2005 - 1 Quarter of Play (literally first snap was 15:00 in the 4th quarter) at Baltimore. Favre got hurt late in the 3rd quarter. First play of the 4th quarter was a sack fumble. His play was bad.



2006 - 1.5 Quarters of Play (took over for injured Favre in middle 3rd quarter). His play was bad (should have thrown a pick on his first throw)



2007 - 2.7 Quarters of Play (took over for injured Favre in 2nd quarter roughly 9:00 left). And he was freaking good.



Total of about 5.25 quarters or so.

Jordan Love

2021 - Full game vs KC. His play was bad.

2021 - 2nd half vs Lions. Rodgers played the first half (losing to DET 13 to 17). Love played the 2nd half. (Packers scored 17 points in 2nd half). His play was better but not great.

2022 - Love came in with 10:33 to go in the game. His play was pretty darned good.

Total of about 6.75 quarters or so.


I was never counting Rodgers mop up duty. I was only counting the significant playing time Rodgers got in 2005, 2006 and 2007 and compared that to Love's significant playing time in 2021 and 2022. I guess I didn't include the Saints which truly was the definition of mop up duty vs a prevent defense.

But overall I really don't know what point you are driving. Both had snaps before their coming out party and both looked bad to horrible when they did it until their coming out party. That was the only correlation I made.

How am I wrong? According to your own counting, Love has had more experience (and you even counted the 2007 Rodgers experience even though when defining the window of comparison, you excluded it).

My only point is to refute your point, because you seemed to try to refute my note about Love having more experience than Rodgers from which we can draw conclusions.

Although, your statement is ambiguous, so maybe you meant to make a different point than the one I am refuting.

Jordan Love has like 1 - 2 more quarters of playing time in his career before Dallas 2007 than Love had before Philly 2022.

[texas]

Where is this notion coming from that the Eagles were playing “prevent” once Love entered the game? There are several Twitter clips of Love highlights and they all showed a defense still very much competing in a close game.

Just because @lupedafiasco has a narrative to stick to doesn’t make it true. The Eagle defense was giving Love similar looks as they were Rodgers.

iirc the first drive was not, the 2nd drive was (prevent defense)

[APB]

Where is this notion coming from that the Eagles were playing “prevent” once Love entered the game? There are several Twitter clips of Love highlights and they all showed a defense still very much competing in a close game.

Just because @lupedafiasco has a narrative to stick to doesn’t make it true. The Eagle defense was giving Love similar looks as they were Rodgers.

iirc the first drive was not, the 2nd drive was (prevent defense)

Check out the tweet highlights and point out where there was “prevent” defense in play. The “soft” coverages were the same zone schemes Philly calls quite regularly. The same coverages Rodgers saw, anyway.

I’m genuinely curious because I’ve seen a lot of this “prevent” claim both here and on Twitter.

[dsr]

Lets not act like Love is the second coming just yet. He has three really good throws: the one to Watson, the out route to Lazard, and the back shoulder to Jones that he didn't catch. His other throws were all relatively inaccurate, which has been his #1 problem since college. Accuracy can improve, but for the most part you either have it or you don't. He has gotten better, but the question is how much better will it get? And does he need a perfect pocket to be able to throw with the mechanics to be accurate?

I'm not ready to move on from AR yet.

The point is that Rodgers hasn't got accuracy either. Whether because of his injured thumb or because he's lost it permanently, we don't know. But, for example, that first interception was because Lazard was a yard ahead of Slay running to the right (from Rodgers' point of view) and Rodgers threw it, inaccurately, to a place where Lazard had to stop to catch the ball and it bounced of Slay's helmet. If the ball had been accurately placed a yard further to the right, it would have been Lazard's to catch in stride. That's the sort of accuracy we would have expected throughout Rodgers' career, but he hasn't got it now.

Has Love got it? Only one way to find out.

[williewasgreat]

Where is this notion coming from that the Eagles were playing “prevent” once Love entered the game? There are several Twitter clips of Love highlights and they all showed a defense still very much competing in a close game.

Just because @lupedafiasco has a narrative to stick to doesn’t make it true. The Eagle defense was giving Love similar looks as they were Rodgers.

iirc the first drive was not, the 2nd drive was (prevent defense)

That was not a prevent defense. The Eagles didn't have to worry about the run anymore, so they went from one-deep safety to two-deep. I'm sure they did not want to get burned again like Watson did on the 63 yard TD pass.

[go pak go]

Lets not act like Love is the second coming just yet. He has three really good throws: the one to Watson, the out route to Lazard, and the back shoulder to Jones that he didn't catch. His other throws were all relatively inaccurate, which has been his #1 problem since college. Accuracy can improve, but for the most part you either have it or you don't. He has gotten better, but the question is how much better will it get? And does he need a perfect pocket to be able to throw with the mechanics to be accurate?

I'm not ready to move on from AR yet.

The point is that Rodgers hasn't got accuracy either. Whether because of his injured thumb or because he's lost it permanently, we don't know. But, for example, that first interception was because Lazard was a yard ahead of Slay running to the right (from Rodgers' point of view) and Rodgers threw it, inaccurately, to a place where Lazard had to stop to catch the ball and it bounced of Slay's helmet. If the ball had been accurately placed a yard further to the right, it would have been Lazard's to catch in stride. That's the sort of accuracy we would have expected throughout Rodgers' career, but he hasn't got it now.

Has Love got it? Only one way to find out.

[go pak go]

Where is this notion coming from that the Eagles were playing “prevent” once Love entered the game? There are several Twitter clips of Love highlights and they all showed a defense still very much competing in a close game.

Just because @lupedafiasco has a narrative to stick to doesn’t make it true. The Eagle defense was giving Love similar looks as they were Rodgers.

iirc the first drive was not, the 2nd drive was (prevent defense)

Check out the tweet highlights and point out where there was “prevent” defense in play. The “soft” coverages were the same zone schemes Philly calls quite regularly. The same coverages Rodgers saw, anyway.

I’m genuinely curious because I’ve seen a lot of this “prevent” claim both here and on Twitter.

Thank you for that thread. It was awesome seeing those plays.

Holy crap Jordan Love's fundamentals of footwork, field analyzing and throw motion are beautiful when he's in the pocket. Maybe Clements as a QB coach still has it.

Love's broken play decision making and accuracy were not there. He needs to learn from that. Should have waited for Lazard on the first one and should have just taken the first down with his legs on the next one. He would have made the boundary and I don't know if I am in love with him being comfortable throwing across his body on the run in the opposite direction. Honestly a damn good ball considering...but we have seen the results of those before...

[Pckfn23]

Christian Watson almost killed a guy.

[APB]

Christian Watson almost killed a guy.

Unlike Jenkins who did.

[Pckfn23]

Christian Watson almost killed a guy.

Unlike Jenkins who did.

Excessive blocking!

[Yoop]

Christian Watson almost killed a guy.

Unlike Jenkins who did.

Excessive blocking!

now that was funny

[Pckfn23]

Cobb's TD against Eagles same play design as Watson's 3rd TD against Dallas.

[Pugger]

Christian Watson almost killed a guy.

Yikes. That's scary stuff.

[Crazylegs Starks]

Special teams did some nice work on kickoff returns:

https://www.packers.com/news/what-you-m ... py-returns

Not one, but two, and almost three.

The Packers hadn't had a kickoff return of longer than 50 yards since receiver Jeff Janis brought one back 70 yards in 2015.

Cornerback and return specialist Keisean Nixon ran back two of 50-plus on Sunday night in Philadelphia in the fourth quarter, and an earlier one came close to that mark as well.