What to do with Aaron (with season now in dumpster)?

[Labrev]

yada yada, blah, blah, blah, It is not disrespectful to say our ol man where pushed to the point that Rodgers had to move off his set spot, and that happened at least a half doz times in the Bears game, to funny,

Dude, that's just his playing style; Rodgers moves off the spot a lot regardless of pressure.

[BSA]

If you are Love, what kind of extension would you take ?

Great question
- there's value in going shorter term so you can harvest the fast-growing cap.
- there's value in signing a longer term deal to get more guaranteed cash; right here, right now.

The crazy thing about this is that AR and JL have the same agent. IF one of them had a different agent, it would likely result in a slightly different contract negotiation for Love. But there's no confidentiality here, so whatever the Packers/Rodgers discuss will be known by Love as well. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just different. Threading this needle won't be easy - and its not any easier with both QBs sharing representation.

Part of what I'd talk to Love about is that Rodgers is aging...and is highly likely to miss time. So the idea that Love will have to sit all of 2023 doesn't seem likely behind an older QB sporting a lot of battle dings. Love's biggest concern isn't getting paid - its playing time and further refinement of his craft. Packers may have to make several promises...including promising NOT to use franchise tag in 2024-25.

Gute & Co are sold on Love going forward, so they won't hesitate to offer him a "starting QB" deal early in 2024.
( paid like 20th best QB, with accelerators) You can click here and select "QB" to get some idea of the contract numbers

https://overthecap.com/contracts

Rewind the tape: When GB made the move to AR, they signed him to a new deal halfway through the 2008 season. All of the usual mensas were screaming & bellowing about the Packers making a horrible mistake, acting prematurely !. I suspect we'll be treated to more of the same when Jordan inks his long term deal.

[bud fox]

yada yada, blah, blah, blah, It is not disrespectful to say our ol man where pushed to the point that Rodgers had to move off his set spot, and that happened at least a half doz times in the Bears game, to funny,

Dude, that's just his playing style; Rodgers moves off the spot a lot regardless of pressure.

Rodgers wasn't like this early in his career. He is the best in the pocket.

His movement allows the line to somewhat dictate pressure e.g. tackle can push pressure wide on play because design involves Rodgers stepping up etc.

However no doubt Rodgers can make it harder because with the above he expects to have more time on a play.

Opens up the play book

[bud fox]

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Gute & Co are sold on Love going forward, so they won't hesitate to offer him a "starting QB" deal early in 2024.

Not sure about this unless it is with real low guaranteed money.

I think if we have a year of the Love we saw in his start against the chiefs, he would be gone by the end of that year.

[Yoop]

yada yada, blah, blah, blah, It is not disrespectful to say our ol man where pushed to the point that Rodgers had to move off his set spot, and that happened at least a half doz times in the Bears game, to funny,

Dude, that's just his playing style; Rodgers moves off the spot a lot regardless of pressure.

only in the sense of creating a better throwing lane, minus pressure closing the pocket, Rodgers the last few years doesn't move or extend plays as much.

[Labrev]

yada yada, blah, blah, blah, It is not disrespectful to say our ol man where pushed to the point that Rodgers had to move off his set spot, and that happened at least a half doz times in the Bears game, to funny,

Dude, that's just his playing style; Rodgers moves off the spot a lot regardless of pressure.

Rodgers wasn't like this early in his career. He is the best in the pocket.

His movement allows the line to somewhat dictate pressure e.g. tackle can push pressure wide on play because design involves Rodgers stepping up etc.

However no doubt Rodgers can make it harder because with the above he expects to have more time on a play.

Opens up the play book

How is it that Rogers Haterz know the guy better than his fanboys?

Like, there is a whole story about why it is a point of pride for Rodgers to run the ball or scramble because McCarthy wanted Alex Smith over him, believing Rodgers lacked the mobility/athleticism Mac wanted.

And oh you know, his signature Belt celebration, which he saves specifically for when he scores rushing TDs.

DCs had to coach their pass-rushers to contain him *inside* the pocket because of how deadly he was outside of it, either because he would run for big gains or throw downfield with DBs no longer able to keep their receiver covered that long. C'mon guys, how did we forget all this?

No, this has been Rodgers pretty much his whole career. If anything, he does this less now than he used to because he doesn't have the juice to do it as well, although still a lot more than advisable.

[Labrev]

Rodgers wasn't like this early in his career.

Rodgers the last few years doesn't move or extend plays as much.

[Drj820]

yada yada, blah, blah, blah, It is not disrespectful to say our ol man where pushed to the point that Rodgers had to move off his set spot, and that happened at least a half doz times in the Bears game, to funny,

Dude, that's just his playing style; Rodgers moves off the spot a lot regardless of pressure.

only in the sense of creating a better throwing lane, minus pressure closing the pocket, Rodgers the last few years doesn't move or extend plays as much.

You realize he’s 39 right

[Scott4Pack]

Also, just as our forum talked much about how AR was too dialed in on Tae Adams, is there any doubt that he will do this with Watson? If this kid just keeps scoring…

Watson would see more targets now with a little better explosion off the LOS and out of his breaks, imo we havn't even glimpsed his ceiling, to bad for Rodgers he wont be around for more off Watson and Doubs, unless he does stay another year, Doubs looked very good earlier this year too, it'll be fun again to have more then 1 very good receiver.

when Rodgers had Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Cooks, he spread the ball around, he targeted Adams because he couldn't depend on the others, Adams naturally becomes the #1 read on most pass plays, there was no way to stop that unless another receiver could show on game film he deserved more #1 read route progressions, obviously some did, but not many matchups would take Tae out of that order, look at the top receivers every season, they have high target numbers too, it's hard to design a pass play and not make Tyreek Hill, or Jefferson etc. Adams your first read, and there probably open and naturally catch a lot of passes

There is no way that Rodgers isn’t playing in Green Bay in 2023. Just no way. Unless some crazy GM wants to offer GB a hand ful of 1st and 2nd round picks AND take the brunt of his contract. That just isn’t gonna happen. I know there’ll be all sorts of speculation about it once this offseason starts. But that’s all that it will be.

[lake shark]

Also, just as our forum talked much about how AR was too dialed in on Tae Adams, is there any doubt that he will do this with Watson? If this kid just keeps scoring…

Watson would see more targets now with a little better explosion off the LOS and out of his breaks, imo we havn't even glimpsed his ceiling, to bad for Rodgers he wont be around for more off Watson and Doubs, unless he does stay another year, Doubs looked very good earlier this year too, it'll be fun again to have more then 1 very good receiver.

when Rodgers had Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Cooks, he spread the ball around, he targeted Adams because he couldn't depend on the others, Adams naturally becomes the #1 read on most pass plays, there was no way to stop that unless another receiver could show on game film he deserved more #1 read route progressions, obviously some did, but not many matchups would take Tae out of that order, look at the top receivers every season, they have high target numbers too, it's hard to design a pass play and not make Tyreek Hill, or Jefferson etc. Adams your first read, and there probably open and naturally catch a lot of passes

There is no way that Rodgers isn’t playing in Green Bay in 2023. Just no way. Unless some crazy GM wants to offer GB a hand ful of 1st and 2nd round picks AND take the brunt of his contract. That just isn’t gonna happen. I know there’ll be all sorts of speculation about it once this offseason starts. But that’s all that it will be.

Saints would if they could declare bankruptcy first:p

[Labrev]

There is no way that Rodgers isn’t playing in Green Bay in 2023. Just no way. Unless some crazy GM wants to offer GB a hand ful of 1st and 2nd round picks AND take the brunt of his contract.

There's another way he potentially isn't here in '23: he decides he would rather be elsewhere.

And I think a big part of that will come down to our free agency (more specifically, the fates of his buddies).

Should we bid farewell to Cobb, Crosby, and Bakhtiari among others whom he is tight with... he may not feel the enthusiasm needed to want to come back. If any of his besties go onto play for other teams, I could see said other teams becoming more attractive destinations than here.

[APB]

There is no way that Rodgers isn’t playing in Green Bay in 2023. Just no way. Unless some crazy GM wants to offer GB a hand ful of 1st and 2nd round picks AND take the brunt of his contract.

There's another way he potentially isn't here in '23: he decides he would rather be elsewhere.

And I think a big part of that will come down to our free agency (more specifically, the fates of his buddies).

Should we bid farewell to Cobb, Crosby, and Bakhtiari among others whom he is tight with... he may not feel the enthusiasm needed to want to come back. If any of his besties go onto play for other teams, I could see said other teams becoming more attractive destinations than here.

That's actually a pretty good point. Add Big Dog to that list and Aaron may find himself all alone from a generational standpoint inside the locker room. You can sort the roster by age with this link and can see Rodgers is nearly a decade removed from the rest of the roster should the cuts we all assume to happen actually happen.

His peers are now the coaching staff, not his teammates.

[NCF]

There is no way that Rodgers isn’t playing in Green Bay in 2023. Just no way. Unless some crazy GM wants to offer GB a hand ful of 1st and 2nd round picks AND take the brunt of his contract.

There's another way he potentially isn't here in '23: he decides he would rather be elsewhere.

And I think a big part of that will come down to our free agency (more specifically, the fates of his buddies).

Should we bid farewell to Cobb, Crosby, and Bakhtiari among others whom he is tight with... he may not feel the enthusiasm needed to want to come back. If any of his besties go onto play for other teams, I could see said other teams becoming more attractive destinations than here.

That's actually a pretty good point. Add Big Dog to that list and Aaron may find himself all alone from a generational standpoint inside the locker room. His peers are now the coaching staff, not his teammates.

Yep. I have considered this too.

[TheSkeptic]

There is no way that Rodgers isn’t playing in Green Bay in 2023. Just no way. Unless some crazy GM wants to offer GB a hand ful of 1st and 2nd round picks AND take the brunt of his contract.

There's another way he potentially isn't here in '23: he decides he would rather be elsewhere.

And I think a big part of that will come down to our free agency (more specifically, the fates of his buddies).

Should we bid farewell to Cobb, Crosby, and Bakhtiari among others whom he is tight with... he may not feel the enthusiasm needed to want to come back. If any of his besties go onto play for other teams, I could see said other teams becoming more attractive destinations than here.

It is not a decision the Packers can make. The decision is whether the Player wants to go 2-15 for then next few seasons while their market value goes down from being a loser team. And while top 5 draft picks come in the take their jobs. Just like Davonte did.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents ... y-packers/

Amos, Lazard, Tonyan, Lowry, Cobb, Crosby, Reed, Watkins, Jenkins, Ford, Nixon, Barnes, Nijman. What do you want to bet that 10 or more of these leave despite getting the same or better offers from the Packers. Nobody wants to be a loser for an extra 10% in salary. As for Bakh, Lewis and Crosby, they might just retire.

[Yoop]

There is no way that Rodgers isn’t playing in Green Bay in 2023. Just no way. Unless some crazy GM wants to offer GB a hand ful of 1st and 2nd round picks AND take the brunt of his contract.

There's another way he potentially isn't here in '23: he decides he would rather be elsewhere.

And I think a big part of that will come down to our free agency (more specifically, the fates of his buddies).

Should we bid farewell to Cobb, Crosby, and Bakhtiari among others whom he is tight with... he may not feel the enthusiasm needed to want to come back. If any of his besties go onto play for other teams, I could see said other teams becoming more attractive destinations than here.

It is not a decision the Packers can make. The decision is whether the Player wants to go 2-15 for then next few seasons while their market value goes down from being a loser team. And while top 5 draft picks come in the take their jobs. Just like Davonte did.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents ... y-packers/

Amos, Lazard, Tonyan, Lowry, Cobb, Crosby, Reed, Watkins, Jenkins, Ford, Nixon, Barnes, Nijman. What do you want to bet that 10 or more of these leave despite getting the same or better offers from the Packers. Nobody wants to be a loser for an extra 10% in salary. As for Bakh, Lewis and Crosby, they might just retire.

loser team, seriously do you want us to lose if Rodgers remains the QB? because every post you make mentions how we wont win with Rodgers as the QB, when actually this team will be better next year no matter who the QB is, and we still don't know for sure if Love is the better option, all your doom and gloom if Rodgers remains the QB seems wishful thinking on your part.

[salmar80]

There is no way that Rodgers isn’t playing in Green Bay in 2023. Just no way. Unless some crazy GM wants to offer GB a hand ful of 1st and 2nd round picks AND take the brunt of his contract.

There's another way he potentially isn't here in '23: he decides he would rather be elsewhere.

And I think a big part of that will come down to our free agency (more specifically, the fates of his buddies).

Should we bid farewell to Cobb, Crosby, and Bakhtiari among others whom he is tight with... he may not feel the enthusiasm needed to want to come back. If any of his besties go onto play for other teams, I could see said other teams becoming more attractive destinations than here.

It is not a decision the Packers can make. The decision is whether the Player wants to go 2-15 for then next few seasons while their market value goes down from being a loser team. And while top 5 draft picks come in the take their jobs. Just like Davonte did.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents ... y-packers/

Amos, Lazard, Tonyan, Lowry, Cobb, Crosby, Reed, Watkins, Jenkins, Ford, Nixon, Barnes, Nijman. What do you want to bet that 10 or more of these leave despite getting the same or better offers from the Packers. Nobody wants to be a loser for an extra 10% in salary. As for Bakh, Lewis and Crosby, they might just retire.

Davante IS on a losing team.

Are you saying Watson now somehow counts as a top 5 pick?! Isn't he the bust of a bum and the symbol of bum GM not taking WR position seriously?

And aren't most of the players you mention in last paragraph EXACTLY the players you want to get replaced?

Market value doesn't go down on a losing team, except for QBs. Scouts have the tools to watch individual tape.

There have been a LOT of Packer FAs that have gone on to losers like da Bears, who still suck, and the Vikings. It's a business with short careers, many players will happily deal with the losing while building their car collection or retirement fund.

And the Packers won't be going 2-15 anytime soon unless the dreams of the tankers of this forum become reality.

Otherwise, fine post.

[TheSkeptic]

Well times have changed a bit. It used to be damn near impossible to sign a top FA in GB. Then Reggie White signed and the Packers became a good team and players who preferred the big city or to be close to home and homies or that wanted to play in a dome or in warm weather decided that being part of a winning tradition was more important. Well guess what, if the Packers make the playoffs this season it will be a miracle. Barely beating Da Bears was not all that encouraging and the odds of winning out are Powerball odds.

Now, I would like very much for Jenkins and Lazard and Tonyan and Amos and Ford and Nixon to stay, roughly in that order. My bet is that none of them do unless they think that Love is going to be the QB. And yes, the Packers ARE going 2-15 or worse next season if all of them leave.

As for Rodgers, watch him for Christ's sake! When he got pressure a few years ago he evaded it pretty well even though he was still looking downfield. Not any more. Now if he gets pressure his eyes are on the pass rush, not the open receiver. If he successfully gets past the pass rush then he is looking downfield again, but too often he is a half step slow and never gets past the rush. You can blame Bakh's injury for some of that, but not all. He is hearing footsteps even when there are none.

Another thing is that he has become predictable. He only snaps the ball early if some defender is trying to get off the field. Otherwise the snap is at the half second mark and the D knows this. But he refuses to mix it up and D's have gotten good at tricking him.

As for the receivers, go back to the post draft days and see what I thought of Watson. I said back then that he was the #1 receiver in the 2022 draft and would prove to be the best Packer rookie. I also thought that Doubs was a steal and that Toure was also. Of course the Packer receivers are going to be better next season, but who is going to play TE? Davis? A rookie? Tonyan is the only real TE on the team other than Davis. So improvement in the WR rookies is partially negated by degradation at TE.

On the D, Gary probably will not be 100% until midseason. Savage is still going downhill. Amos is as good as gone. Nixon and Ford are as good as gone. And the D coordinator is not very good.

I just do not see a good team for next season. Players need hope to stay or else they need to be paid more than any other team will pay. At some point the team is on a downward spiral, the worse the team gets the less players or especially coaches want to be part of it and so the team gets even worse. The hope is that Love is the QB that we saw vs the Eagles. I think he is not, but he is good enough to win with, good enough to make the playoffs with next season and good enough to win 1 SB in his career. Regular season MVP, no, not that good, but good enough to not be a drag on the team in the playoffs, which Rodgers has been 3 years in a row. And good enough to be a team leader instead of a DIVA that throws rookie WR's and TE's under the bus.

Next season with Rodgers at QB: 2-15
Next season with Love at QB 7-8

2024 season with Rodgers 1-16
2024 season with Love 9-6

You disagree, then tell me why, and I don't care what Rodgers was 2 years ago. I care what he is now and what he will be at age 40 and beyond. Oh, and you might start with that pass interference call that Watson got instead of a sure TD because of Rodgers' throw. That throw has been what Rodgers is now.

[Yoop]

Put a sock in it Joffi, the boys in Love

[Raptorman]

Rodgers will retire at the end of the season. It won't happen until after the Super Bowl, but he will sit down with the Packer bigwigs and come to an out on his contract.

[NCF]

Rodgers will retire at the end of the season. It won't happen until after the Super Bowl, but he will sit down with the Packer bigwigs and come to an out on his contract.

This is where I am leaning, both because this is what I want to happen and looking at the situation as objectively as I am able. I think all the Aaron, LaFleur, and Gute talk this week was just about avoiding the question as much as possible until the offseason gets here.