Matt LaFleur

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Titans
Jets
49ers
Buccaneers
Vikings
Eagles

Should we beat the Lions those are the teams we have lost to at home under Matt Lafleur.

[Scott4Pack]

It’s almost forgotten history now, but there was a time under McCarthy that divisional teams and others could come into Lambeau and win. At 22-2, I think that MLF has probably snuffed that out for a while.

:-)

So the 2 losses were 1 to the Jets and 1 to the Buccaneers. Correct?

So now the Packers have a home field advantage at Lambeau again? Or is this just some short term lucky thing?

I think that 22-2 is for real. If I don’t think so, I could look at 31 other teams to compare. Lol.

[Yoop]

Journal/Sentenal is now a pay site, so I brought the whole article in my attempt to try and defend McCarthys home field win/loss record in December Scott, it's short. anyway I think with the way we won so much any loss at Lambeau create a false impression, he did very well.


is outstanding under coach Mike McCarthy
Jeff Maillet
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Head coach Mike McCarthy and the Packers won another game in December after defeating the Browns in overtime on Sunday.
When the calendar flips to December, some Green Bay Packers fans despise the last month of the year because of the snow and freezing temperatures.

The metal bleachers at Lambeau Field are cold and beers freeze, but Packers fans at home and on the road should embrace the chilly month.

Why? Because the Packers' record in December games speaks for itself.

Under coach Mike McCarthy, the Packers are 35-13 overall in the month and 22-3 at home. And nine times in the first 11 seasons under McCarthy (2006-'16), Green Bay has won three or more games in December.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Have you seen Mlf's winning percentage? Guy is a genius.

Helps playing in a division with lions and bears

We made a deal with the psychodelic diva. Not sure of a way out. Rodgers won't retire so we are screwed for a few.

Yep. Time will have to sort this mess out. Maybe LaFleur's light bulbs will turn on while we wait this one out. Part of me is fantasizing a RUN THE TABLE all the way to the Super Bowl. On the other hand I look at Goff's and Jamaal's stats and brace myself for another disheartening playoff atmosphere loss at Lambeau. All I know right now is we've got a great game coming up Sunday night to get ready for, and we'll need some help from the defense to force Lions punts and maybe even go on another turnover binge so the offense can outscore the Lions offense. Regardless, the Packers fans will be there jammin', no worries on that front. I don't want to hear any booing like I heard at the Jets game. GO PACK GO!

[flapackfan]

Packers beat the patriots when they had a third string qb and beat the bucs without any of their weapons.

Lafleur was severely outcoached in both of those games.

That’s 5 of 6 games now the coaching staff has been SEVERELY outclassed, irregardless of the game result.

Have you seen Mlf's winning percentage? Guy is a genius.

Helps playing in a division with lions and bears

So does Bellacheat get knocked down for his 2 1/2 decades or approx 150 games vs BILLS, JETS, & Dolphins?

[Drj820]

Have you seen Mlf's winning percentage? Guy is a genius.

Helps playing in a division with lions and bears

So does Bellacheat get knocked down for his 2 1/2 decades or approx 150 games vs BILLS, JETS, & Dolphins?

I’ve heard that mentioned alot as a major factor in his success…it helped he and Tom have a red carpet to the SB. As a one seed they would get a bye, win a playoff game against an inferior team, and then play the AFCCG game at Gillette stadium…year after year. The reason it’s not like a ding on belichik is he converted those opportunities into super bowls. So far we have squandered those gifts in the playoffs.

[Yoop]

Helps playing in a division with lions and bears

So does Bellacheat get knocked down for his 2 1/2 decades or approx 150 games vs BILLS, JETS, & Dolphins?

I’ve heard that mentioned alot as a major factor in his success…it helped he and Tom have a red carpet to the SB. As a one seed they would get a bye, win a playoff game against an inferior team, and then play the AFCCG game at Gillette stadium…year after year. The reason it’s not like a ding on belichik is he converted those opportunities into super bowls. So far we have squandered those gifts in the playoffs.

I look at what Belichick has accomplished in his weak division over the years as a anomaly, it says more about the coach being able to inspire his players then anything else, like him or don't, Bill is one of the best coaches ever, what he's done is a out liar, I doubt it would have made a difference no matter the competition in his division, he's that good, people always use Bill and NE as a bench mark, to me it's not a good one.

where they gifts, or enablers? to me, for a good team to become a great team it has to be tested, imo our weak division has done us no favors, beating up on weaker teams gave us a false sense of confidence, then we get to the PO's where most of our opponents have been forced to play 60 minute football to win, while we cruse through games with 2 score leads and easier victory's.

that false security creeps into the mind set of our coaches, how often did we see Mike McCarthy's overly conservative approach with his play calling of PO games, playing not to lose stems from that false sense of security knowing you havn't really been tested, I havn't had that impression under Lafluer as much, our PO losses these last 3 years have come down to players making costly mistakes.

anyway, I hope we continue to play 60 minute football as we have the last 3 or so games.

[RingoCStarrQB]

So does Bellacheat get knocked down for his 2 1/2 decades or approx 150 games vs BILLS, JETS, & Dolphins?

I’ve heard that mentioned alot as a major factor in his success…it helped he and Tom have a red carpet to the SB. As a one seed they would get a bye, win a playoff game against an inferior team, and then play the AFCCG game at Gillette stadium…year after year. The reason it’s not like a ding on belichik is he converted those opportunities into super bowls. So far we have squandered those gifts in the playoffs.

I look at what Belichick has accomplished in his weak division over the years as a anomaly, it says more about the coach being able to inspire his players then anything else, like him or don't, Bill is one of the best coaches ever, what he's done is a out liar, I doubt it would have made a difference no matter the competition in his division, he's that good, people always use Bill and NE as a bench mark, to me it's not a good one.

where they gifts, or enablers? to me, for a good team to become a great team it has to be tested, imo our weak division has done us no favors, beating up on weaker teams gave us a false sense of confidence, then we get to the PO's where most of our opponents have been forced to play 60 minute football to win, while we cruse through games with 2 score leads and easier victory's.

that false security creeps into the mind set of our coaches, how often did we see Mike McCarthy's overly conservative approach with his play calling of PO games, playing not to lose stems from that false sense of security knowing you havn't really been tested, I havn't had that impression under Lafluer as much, our PO losses these last 3 years have come down to players making costly mistakes.

anyway, I hope we continue to play 60 minute football as we have the last 3 or so games.

From a basic common sense / non emotional perspective the 2 greatest BENCHMARKS originated in the NFL, not the AFL. The 1960s Green Bay Packers coached by Vince Lombardi and the 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers coached by Chuck Noll. This assertion is based on Hall of Famers and All-Pros, not just championships. I seriously doubt Brady's offenses could deal with the 1960s Packers and 1970s Steelers defenses, nor do I believe that Bill Belichek's defenses could stop the 1960s Packers and 1970s Steelers offenses on a consistent basis.

Steelers: Mean Joe, Terry Bradshaw, Franco Harris, John Stallworth, Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Ham, Jack Lambert, Mel Blount and Donnie Shell.



Packers: Emlen Tunnell (1959 - 1961), Jim Ringo, Bart Starr, Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor, Forrest Gregg, Jerry Kramer, Willie Davis, Henry Jordan, Ray Nitschke, Dave Robinson, Willie Wood and Herb Adderley.

[Yoop]

Is that a bench mark of great coaching, obviously, certainly it is, however it's also a bench mark of great drafting and team building, still ya have to give kudo's to a coach who also achieved great levels of success with less great players.

Belichick never had the talent of those two teams, no one has since the merger, less teams, more talent to chose from, so to speak, and thats what brings Belichick into that group of great coaches, he did just as much with less talent and less competition, again imho weaker competition is not a advantage.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Is that a bench mark of great coaching, obviously, certainly it is, however it's also a bench mark of great drafting and team building, still ya have to give kudo's to a coach who also achieved great levels of success with less great players.

Belichick never had the talent of those two teams, no one has since the merger, less teams, more talent to chose from, so to speak, and thats what brings Belichick into that group of great coaches, he did just as much with less talent and less competition, again imho weaker competition is not a advantage.

I have no idea how the Steelers were built (other than Donnie Shell who was undrafted like Willie Wood.........the Hall of Famers came in through the draft). Terry Bradshaw 1st round, Lynn Swann 1st round, Franco Harrus 1st round, Mike Webster from Rhinelander, WI 5th round, John Stallworth 4th round, Mel Blount 3rd round, Jack Ham 2nd round, Jack Lambert 2nd round.

But Yoop, and I know what Jack Vainisi's part was Packers in the area of team building. Vince picking up future Hall of Famer Emlen Tunnell was brilliant as well. Same comment applies to Henry Jordan and Willie Davis.

[flapackfan]

Is that a bench mark of great coaching, obviously, certainly it is, however it's also a bench mark of great drafting and team building, still ya have to give kudo's to a coach who also achieved great levels of success with less great players.

Belichick never had the talent of those two teams, no one has since the merger, less teams, more talent to chose from, so to speak, and thats what brings Belichick into that group of great coaches, he did just as much with less talent and less competition, again imho weaker competition is not a advantage.

I have no idea how the Steelers were built (other than Donnie Shell who was undrafted like Willie Wood.........the Hall of Famers came in through the draft). Terry Bradshaw 1st round, Lynn Swann 1st round, Franco Harrus 1st round, Mike Webster from Rhinelander, WI 5th round, John Stallworth 4th round, Mel Blount 3rd round, Jack Ham 2nd round, Jack Lambert 2nd round.

But Yoop, and I know what Jack Vainisi's part was Packers in the area of team building. Vince picking up future Hall of Famer Emlen Tunnell was brilliant as well. Same comment applies to Henry Jordan and Willie Davis.

The Steelers of the 70's had incredible drafts. In 1974, 4 HOF'ers, in 1970, 2.

[Yoop]

Is that a bench mark of great coaching, obviously, certainly it is, however it's also a bench mark of great drafting and team building, still ya have to give kudo's to a coach who also achieved great levels of success with less great players.

Belichick never had the talent of those two teams, no one has since the merger, less teams, more talent to chose from, so to speak, and thats what brings Belichick into that group of great coaches, he did just as much with less talent and less competition, again imho weaker competition is not a advantage.

I have no idea how the Steelers were built (other than Donnie Shell who was undrafted like Willie Wood.........the Hall of Famers came in through the draft). Terry Bradshaw 1st round, Lynn Swann 1st round, Franco Harrus 1st round, Mike Webster from Rhinelander, WI 5th round, John Stallworth 4th round, Mel Blount 3rd round, Jack Ham 2nd round, Jack Lambert 2nd round.

But Yoop, and I know what Jack Vainisi's part was Packers in the area of team building. Vince picking up future Hall of Famer Emlen Tunnell was brilliant as well. Same comment applies to Henry Jordan and Willie Davis.

The Steelers of the 70's had incredible drafts. In 1974, 4 HOF'ers, in 1970, 2.

Bill Nunn, scout who helped build Steelers' 1970s dynasty, dies at 89

seems the Packers weren't the only team stingy with handing scouts there right full titles, Nunn, Like our Vainisi, was also the head scout, Pittsburg didn't have a titled GM person till 2011

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/new ... dz997k84a3

Nunn, 89, who died from complications of a recent stroke, was the chief scout for the Steelers in the 1970s when they drafted the core of the teams that won four Super Bowls between 1974 and '79. He was a key player in what has been heralded as the greatest draft in league history, the 1974 group that produced four Hall of Famers (Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth and Mike Webster), all of whom won four rings in Pittsburgh.

[Scott4Pack]

Journal/Sentenal is now a pay site, so I brought the whole article in my attempt to try and defend McCarthys home field win/loss record in December Scott, it's short. anyway I think with the way we won so much any loss at Lambeau create a false impression, he did very well.


is outstanding under coach Mike McCarthy
Jeff Maillet
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Head coach Mike McCarthy and the Packers won another game in December after defeating the Browns in overtime on Sunday.
When the calendar flips to December, some Green Bay Packers fans despise the last month of the year because of the snow and freezing temperatures.

The metal bleachers at Lambeau Field are cold and beers freeze, but Packers fans at home and on the road should embrace the chilly month.

Why? Because the Packers' record in December games speaks for itself.

Under coach Mike McCarthy, the Packers are 35-13 overall in the month and 22-3 at home. And nine times in the first 11 seasons under McCarthy (2006-'16), Green Bay has won three or more games in December.

What’s with the 13 losses?
Lol.

Yeah, I know the McCarthy Packers did fine in December overall. I don’t have an issue with that.

[texas]

We are simply not going to know how good MLF is until Rodgers retires. He remains an enigma. Some good and some bad.

[Scott4Pack]

The nagging question in my mind this morning (after Packer loss to Lions) is, “What is different about this year than the last year of McCarthy’s tenure?”

The one thing I would say is different is that injuries hit us very hard at the start of this year. Otherwise, the trajectory of the team seems to be going in the same direction. Would love other opinions about this.

[Crazylegs Starks]

The nagging question in my mind this morning (after Packer loss to Lions) is, “What is different about this year than the last year of McCarthy’s tenure?”

The one thing I would say is different is that injuries hit us very hard at the start of this year. Otherwise, the trajectory of the team seems to be going in the same direction. Would love other opinions about this.

I've tried to wipe 2018 from my memory, but at first glance, this team has a lot more talent. We basically did not have a RG that year and our #3 tackle was Spriggs. Outside of Davante and a rookie MVS, the receivers gave us very little. Jimmy Graham was our top TE (barf). Safety was a mess. We had no viable #2 ILB either.

[Drj820]

Where as we all agree Rodgers needs to work on his body language at time, Lafleur needs to do the same. He so often has the blank stare of a fan watching the game that is not sure what is going on. Often looks passive. The hair, shave, and brows may be perfect, but the eyes reveal fear.

Lafleur needs to practice looking angry and displaying posture that shows he is in control. Whether he feels in control or not, it’s important the cameras think that he is.

[Yoop]

Where as we all agree Rodgers needs to work on his body language at time, Lafleur needs to do the same. He so often has the blank stare of a fan watching the game that is not sure what is going on. Often looks passive. The hair, shave, and brows may be perfect, but the eyes reveal fear.

Lafleur needs to practice looking angry and displaying posture that shows he is in control. Whether he feels in control or not, it’s important the cameras think that he is.

so then are you suggesting maybe a 3 week course of tutoring from Arnold Schwarzenegger might help

[Drj820]

Where as we all agree Rodgers needs to work on his body language at time, Lafleur needs to do the same. He so often has the blank stare of a fan watching the game that is not sure what is going on. Often looks passive. The hair, shave, and brows may be perfect, but the eyes reveal fear.

Lafleur needs to practice looking angry and displaying posture that shows he is in control. Whether he feels in control or not, it’s important the cameras think that he is.

so then are you suggesting maybe a 3 week course of tutoring from Arnold Schwarzenegger might help

steroids might help little matt

[Scott4Pack]

The nagging question in my mind this morning (after Packer loss to Lions) is, “What is different about this year than the last year of McCarthy’s tenure?”

The one thing I would say is different is that injuries hit us very hard at the start of this year. Otherwise, the trajectory of the team seems to be going in the same direction. Would love other opinions about this.

I've tried to wipe 2018 from my memory, but at first glance, this team has a lot more talent. We basically did not have a RG that year and our #3 tackle was Spriggs. Outside of Davante and a rookie MVS, the receivers gave us very little. Jimmy Graham was our top TE (barf). Safety was a mess. We had no viable #2 ILB either.

Yup. And yet we were arguably more competitive in that year than in this one.