What to do with Aaron (with season now in dumpster)?

[packman114]

The elephant in the room is our coaching staff. Outside is Rodgers insane year in 2020, the offense has been average. MLF has a system where the run needs to be good for the offense to succeed and in big games we either don't run well or don't even try to run. When you have an aging QB who can't run as well then play action is the only way to have success. Brady had the same issues this year.

If our run blocking improves Rodgers play will improve. He still throws the ball better than most QBs in the league. I also believe Love will be just fine in this offense so any way this goes is fine with me. Just fix the run blocking and play calling on both sides of the ball. Then those close losses will be wins.

[wizard 87]

Let's be realistic here, Aaron has 60 million reasons to come back and after a couple of long trips away and some time at the LA house, he'll be back in the fold. The packers signed a deal that really gives them little leverage in year 2 of the deal. What we or they want is of little value, the only way Aaron won't be back is if he retires, do I think he does or is that realistic? No.

The bigger issue now is to surround him with better playmakers and a couple of pieces on defense. If they don't it's going to be a rinse-and-repeat year in 2023. Two cents

[Pckfn23]

Let's be realistic here, Aaron has 60 million reasons to come back and after a couple of long trips away and some time at the LA house, he'll be back in the fold. The packers signed a deal that really gives them little leverage in year 2 of the deal. What we or they want is of little value, the only way Aaron won't be back is if he retires, do I think he does or is that realistic? No.

The bigger issue now is to surround him with better playmakers and a couple of pieces on defense. If they don't it's going to be a rinse-and-repeat year in 2023. Two cents

Pre June 1 trade would be about an extra $9 million cap hit. Post June 1 trade would save about $16 million this year. So there is that option.

[Drj820]

Let's be realistic here, Aaron has 60 million reasons to come back and after a couple of long trips away and some time at the LA house, he'll be back in the fold. The packers signed a deal that really gives them little leverage in year 2 of the deal. What we or they want is of little value, the only way Aaron won't be back is if he retires, do I think he does or is that realistic? No.

The bigger issue now is to surround him with better playmakers and a couple of pieces on defense. If they don't it's going to be a rinse-and-repeat year in 2023. Two cents

Some here think the current contract is somehow not real and will be easy to rip up if rodgers wants to leave. I don’t buy it. When Gutey bent the knee to 12 last year, he bent the knee on the future.

[Labrev]

They actually sound quite a bit more non-committal than with the same questions last year, so... that's something.

[Yoop]

Packers org want Rodgers back because they know he is one of the best qbs in the league and clearly the best qb option they have.

They also know the deficiencies of the wr and online group.

The coaches know how hard it was with qbs not knowing how to run routes or catch balls. They also know any other qb with this online would be highest szcked qb in the league.

Rodgers carries this 5eam and they will hold on to that as long as possible.

Ya not much arguing at this point…gutey and Lafleur know their job is same with 10 wins, playoffs, and no super bowls.

They think this year was an outlier and most years that will be close to automatic with Rodgers at QB.

They are terrified to see life without him. They know their job could be on the line quick.

Gutey and Lafleur begging Rodgers back multiple times after Rodgers has disrupted business for them and held them hostage so much tells one all one needs to know about how they feel about handing the keys of the car over to Jordan Love

what Guty and Lafleur are doing isn't unique, you must have the impression it is, any GM that dumps a QB who provides 10 win seasons and playoff appearances is courting disaster, specially with a roster as talented as ours
our problems where lack of experience at WR, lack of consistency with OL, and a DC that failed miserably matching scheme to talent, fix that stuff and Rodgers is the best player to provide a chance at a trip for the trophy.

those that refuse to accept this have ulterior motives, either it's about contract, simply dislike for the signal caller, the desire for change, or all of the above.

some want some sort of rebuild, dump anyone on a 2nd contract, and start the slate clean, as though it's easy to put together the roster we now have, we spent a decade putting this defense together, lets not pretend we had talent issues for how this defense has produced, and lets not act as though this OL protected Rodgers or opened run lanes for the RB's, cause it didn't do either very consistently, or that the receivers made life easy for Rodgers cause that didn't happen either.

The fo is hesitant to make changes simply because it could back fire.

[Drj820]

Packers org want Rodgers back because they know he is one of the best qbs in the league and clearly the best qb option they have.

They also know the deficiencies of the wr and online group.

The coaches know how hard it was with qbs not knowing how to run routes or catch balls. They also know any other qb with this online would be highest szcked qb in the league.

Rodgers carries this 5eam and they will hold on to that as long as possible.

Ya not much arguing at this point…gutey and Lafleur know their job is same with 10 wins, playoffs, and no super bowls.

They think this year was an outlier and most years that will be close to automatic with Rodgers at QB.

They are terrified to see life without him. They know their job could be on the line quick.

Gutey and Lafleur begging Rodgers back multiple times after Rodgers has disrupted business for them and held them hostage so much tells one all one needs to know about how they feel about handing the keys of the car over to Jordan Love

what Guty and Lafleur are doing isn't unique, you must have the impression it is, any GM that dumps a QB who provides 10 win seasons and playoff appearances is courting disaster, specially with a roster as talented as ours
our problems where lack of experience at WR, lack of consistency with OL, and a DC that failed miserably matching scheme to talent, fix that stuff and Rodgers is the best player to provide a chance at a trip for the trophy.

those that refuse to accept this have ulterior motives, either it's about contract, simply dislike for the signal caller, the desire for change, or all of the above.

some want some sort of rebuild, dump anyone on a 2nd contract, and start the slate clean, as though it's easy to put together the roster we now have, we spent a decade putting this defense together, lets not pretend we had talent issues for how this defense has produced, and lets not act as though this OL protected Rodgers or opened run lanes for the RB's, cause it didn't do either very consistently, or that the receivers made life easy for Rodgers cause that didn't happen either.

The fo is hesitant to make changes simply because it could back fire.

It’s courting disaster if the qb is 28, not when he’s 39 and mentions retiring multiple times a week. To give that guy a multi year deal is fear based. It’s actually Ñot unprecedented to move on from the old guy. Big Ben is still WAY better than mason rudolph and it’s no small rumor that the Steelers were ready to move on from him, belichik was ready to move on from Brady and wanted Jimmy G years ago, Seahawks moved Russ Wilson and he was only early 30s, colts told Peyton manning “no thanks” after his neck surgery…and to put icing on my cake of dismantling your take…the packers themselves did this when they told favre to kick rocks…
Point being, this is all easy if the guy Gutey drafted..Love..can play…it’s complicated and the org is tied to Rodgers..because they obviously don’t think he can play.

[Yoop]

Ya not much arguing at this point…gutey and Lafleur know their job is same with 10 wins, playoffs, and no super bowls.

They think this year was an outlier and most years that will be close to automatic with Rodgers at QB.

They are terrified to see life without him. They know their job could be on the line quick.

Gutey and Lafleur begging Rodgers back multiple times after Rodgers has disrupted business for them and held them hostage so much tells one all one needs to know about how they feel about handing the keys of the car over to Jordan Love

what Guty and Lafleur are doing isn't unique, you must have the impression it is, any GM that dumps a QB who provides 10 win seasons and playoff appearances is courting disaster, specially with a roster as talented as ours
our problems where lack of experience at WR, lack of consistency with OL, and a DC that failed miserably matching scheme to talent, fix that stuff and Rodgers is the best player to provide a chance at a trip for the trophy.

those that refuse to accept this have ulterior motives, either it's about contract, simply dislike for the signal caller, the desire for change, or all of the above.

some want some sort of rebuild, dump anyone on a 2nd contract, and start the slate clean, as though it's easy to put together the roster we now have, we spent a decade putting this defense together, lets not pretend we had talent issues for how this defense has produced, and lets not act as though this OL protected Rodgers or opened run lanes for the RB's, cause it didn't do either very consistently, or that the receivers made life easy for Rodgers cause that didn't happen either.

The fo is hesitant to make changes simply because it could back fire.

It’s courting disaster if the qb is 28, not when he’s 39 and mentions retiring multiple times a week. To give that guy a multi year deal is fear based. It’s actually Ñot unprecedented to move on from the old guy. Big Ben is still WAY better than mason rudolph and it’s no small rumor that the Steelers were ready to move on from him, belichik was ready to move on from Brady and wanted Jimmy G years ago, Seahawks moved Russ Wilson and he was only early 30s, colts told Peyton manning “no thanks” after his neck surgery…and to put icing on my cake of dismantling your take…the packers themselves did this when they told favre to kick rocks…
Point being, this is all easy if the guy Gutey drafted..Love..can play…it’s complicated and the org is tied to Rodgers..because they obviously don’t think he can play.

you should change your user name to" Scenario psycho Hotline" Rodgers isn't beat up like Peyton, or as terrible as Wilson, and the FO didn't force Favre out, he did actually threaten retirement for years, Rodgers comments about that where tongue in cheek which I'am sure you realize, and why do you use the word FEAR? i don't get why you have to stoop to degrade them, when you know that Pitt, the Hawks, and NE had different circumstances, Brady was the guy that wanted a trade just as much as Belichick wanted to move on, Kraft made calls to Brady to get him to stay.

I hav'nt approved of any of the 2nd 3rd etc. contracts we've given Rodgers, but I'am not dumbfounded in the least that the FO gave them to him, for you or anyone to think turning over the rains to Love will automatically be a smooth transition as it was with Favre to Rodgers need to realize thats only the 2nd time it's ever happened in league history, our odds of that taking place are remote to none.

[go pak go]

They actually sound quite a bit more non-committal than with the same questions last year, so... that's something.

It's night and day difference in Gutey's language from 2021 to 2023 offseason.

[bud fox]

Thread should be discussing trading for Hopkins and teaching MLF play design so we can try to win a superbowl over the next few years.

[Scott4Pack]

Packers org want Rodgers back because they know he is one of the best qbs in the league and clearly the best qb option they have.

They also know the deficiencies of the wr and online group.

The coaches know how hard it was with qbs not knowing how to run routes or catch balls. They also know any other qb with this online would be highest szcked qb in the league.

Rodgers carries this 5eam and they will hold on to that as long as possible.

Ya not much arguing at this point…gutey and Lafleur know their job is same with 10 wins, playoffs, and no super bowls.

They think this year was an outlier and most years that will be close to automatic with Rodgers at QB.

They are terrified to see life without him. They know their job could be on the line quick.

Gutey and Lafleur begging Rodgers back multiple times after Rodgers has disrupted business for them and held them hostage so much tells one all one needs to know about how they feel about handing the keys of the car over to Jordan Love

what Guty and Lafleur are doing isn't unique, you must have the impression it is, any GM that dumps a QB who provides 10 win seasons and playoff appearances is courting disaster, specially with a roster as talented as ours
our problems where lack of experience at WR, lack of consistency with OL, and a DC that failed miserably matching scheme to talent, fix that stuff and Rodgers is the best player to provide a chance at a trip for the trophy.

those that refuse to accept this have ulterior motives, either it's about contract, simply dislike for the signal caller, the desire for change, or all of the above.

some want some sort of rebuild, dump anyone on a 2nd contract, and start the slate clean, as though it's easy to put together the roster we now have, we spent a decade putting this defense together, lets not pretend we had talent issues for how this defense has produced, and lets not act as though this OL protected Rodgers or opened run lanes for the RB's, cause it didn't do either very consistently, or that the receivers made life easy for Rodgers cause that didn't happen either.

The fo is hesitant to make changes simply because it could back fire.

What you said, or, if the WRs make a significant step of improvement and the OLine simply becomes better, wouldn’t AR become a better QB again? I think of that because if that’s all it would take for the 2023 Packers to win at least 10 games…

[RingoCStarrQB]

Ya not much arguing at this point…gutey and Lafleur know their job is same with 10 wins, playoffs, and no super bowls.

They think this year was an outlier and most years that will be close to automatic with Rodgers at QB.

They are terrified to see life without him. They know their job could be on the line quick.

Gutey and Lafleur begging Rodgers back multiple times after Rodgers has disrupted business for them and held them hostage so much tells one all one needs to know about how they feel about handing the keys of the car over to Jordan Love

what Guty and Lafleur are doing isn't unique, you must have the impression it is, any GM that dumps a QB who provides 10 win seasons and playoff appearances is courting disaster, specially with a roster as talented as ours
our problems where lack of experience at WR, lack of consistency with OL, and a DC that failed miserably matching scheme to talent, fix that stuff and Rodgers is the best player to provide a chance at a trip for the trophy.

those that refuse to accept this have ulterior motives, either it's about contract, simply dislike for the signal caller, the desire for change, or all of the above.

some want some sort of rebuild, dump anyone on a 2nd contract, and start the slate clean, as though it's easy to put together the roster we now have, we spent a decade putting this defense together, lets not pretend we had talent issues for how this defense has produced, and lets not act as though this OL protected Rodgers or opened run lanes for the RB's, cause it didn't do either very consistently, or that the receivers made life easy for Rodgers cause that didn't happen either.

The fo is hesitant to make changes simply because it could back fire.

What you said, or, if the WRs make a significant step of improvement and the OLine simply becomes better, wouldn’t AR become a better QB again? I think of that because if that’s all it would take for the 2023 Packers to win at least 10 games…

Look at the list of 2023 Packers opponents. 10 wins should be doable with Love at QB. Fingers crossed still..

[Scott4Pack]

I’m several more days of contemplation regarding Aaron in green and gold in 2023. I’m still stuck on the following for him.

1. How much difference, if any, did scheme do to negatively (or positively) affect Rodgers’ performance?
2. Did his own injuries affect his performance?
3. Did injuries to the OLine significantly impact him?
4. How much did lack of mature receivers cost his performance?

These are all things that are outside of his own control. The couple of things in his control is possibly how much his own body is less able to do the stuff that he used to do regularly.
1. Arm strength.
2. Motivation.
3. Less core strength than in the past.
4. Vision; seeing the plays develop and anticipation.
5. Play tighter (less loose) in cold weather.

I start by dismissing much of any perceived physical attributes, such as arm strength and core strength. I’m sure his workout regimen is superb, else he likely wouldn’t have made it this far. I do wonder about his motivation level. It’s hard for me to gage that. Sometimes he actually seems more engaged on the sideline than in the past years.

I do think that his ability to see and anticipate seems less than in the past. We talk frequently about how it seems he failed to spot open receivers. That makes sense to me, as he’s possibly more intimidated by pass rush. But the cold weather, to me, is something that older QBs seem like they cannot escape. It takes a toll.

For the external issues, I think the work with the young WRs, absence of Tonyan, and lack of productivity by Cobb and others has played a larger part than anything else. I’m not convinced that OLine issues really impacted significantly more plays than in previous years. But I am willing to consider that further.

I could break these down further. But I don’t want to bore you guys. Maybe in further conversation. But all that being said, I’m thinking that if the lack of production with the receivers is significantly improved upon, then it’s reasonable to think that Rodgers has a much better 2023 than 2022. He likely won’t get MVP level of play. But he will improve overall, decrease his INTs, and fare much better in the Red Zone.

[Scott4Pack]

Today, Aaron said on Pat McAfee (in response to AJ Hawk) that he can still play at an MVP level, in the right circumstances.

That speaks to my comment above. In short form, if Aaron gets the OLine and receiver play that he had in his two MVP seasons, the question would be, “Why not?” I’m surprised that somebody hasn’t commented on that comment of his today yet.

My view is that he can still play MVP level, until the weather turns cold. He is probably better than Favre was at this point in his career. But I really think that he cannot do the MVP level when it is really cold. I mean the type of level where he can carry his team for a while. If he gets the support from every place else, he can do well enough. Better than a QB who is a “Manager” of his offense. But I do think there are QBs who are still notch higher.

[Yoop]

Today, Aaron said on Pat McAfee (in response to AJ Hawk) that he can still play at an MVP level, in the right circumstances.

That speaks to my comment above. In short form, if Aaron gets the OLine and receiver play that he had in his two MVP seasons, the question would be, “Why not?” I’m surprised that somebody hasn’t commented on that comment of his today yet.

My view is that he can still play MVP level, until the weather turns cold. He is probably better than Favre was at this point in his career. But I really think that he cannot do the MVP level when it is really cold. I mean the type of level where he can carry his team for a while. If he gets the support from every place else, he can do well enough. Better than a QB who is a “Manager” of his offense. But I do think there are QBs who are still notch higher.

they don't respond because that is not the message most here want to hear , they want to get Love on the field, and rid of Rodgers contract more then anything.

why is it people don't think Rodgers can play in the cold? he's played as well in it as any other QB that comes to Lambeau when the temps drop, I've never thought that opinion has merit, add another off season to the receivers, shore up the OL, maybe add a TE or another receiver and this becomes the SF 49er offense that beat the Hawks Saturday, and Rodgers is the perfect QB to run it.

[go pak go]

Today, Aaron said on Pat McAfee (in response to AJ Hawk) that he can still play at an MVP level, in the right circumstances.

That speaks to my comment above. In short form, if Aaron gets the OLine and receiver play that he had in his two MVP seasons, the question would be, “Why not?” I’m surprised that somebody hasn’t commented on that comment of his today yet.

My view is that he can still play MVP level, until the weather turns cold. He is probably better than Favre was at this point in his career. But I really think that he cannot do the MVP level when it is really cold. I mean the type of level where he can carry his team for a while. If he gets the support from every place else, he can do well enough. Better than a QB who is a “Manager” of his offense. But I do think there are QBs who are still notch higher.

I too think Rodgers can play upper echelon level QB production in the right circumstance. I just don't think that will come in Green Bay.

The playbook on aging quarterbacks in their latter part of their careers is to start fresh elsewhere with a new a team that has 75% of the roster built and can fill the rest with a nice contract to the QB deferred to later years. It's a lot easier for a team like the Jets to make it happen with Rodgers with an already good defense, good Oline, good RB and doesn't have $40 million of accrued cap commitment to their QB from the 2019 - 2022 seasons.

The Jets can easily make a trade for Rodgers and buy him a wide receiver to throw to.

A trade makes the most sense for both Rodgers and the Packers.

[Labrev]

Yeah Rodgers should go to a team that built up a great supporting cast because they didn't have cap tied up in an elite QB, like when Favre went to MIN, Manning to DEN, and more recently Brady to TB all at similar stages in their careers.

[Scott4Pack]

Today, Aaron said on Pat McAfee (in response to AJ Hawk) that he can still play at an MVP level, in the right circumstances.

That speaks to my comment above. In short form, if Aaron gets the OLine and receiver play that he had in his two MVP seasons, the question would be, “Why not?” I’m surprised that somebody hasn’t commented on that comment of his today yet.

My view is that he can still play MVP level, until the weather turns cold. He is probably better than Favre was at this point in his career. But I really think that he cannot do the MVP level when it is really cold. I mean the type of level where he can carry his team for a while. If he gets the support from every place else, he can do well enough. Better than a QB who is a “Manager” of his offense. But I do think there are QBs who are still notch higher.

they don't respond because that is not the message most here want to hear , they want to get Love on the field, and rid of Rodgers contract more then anything.

why is it people don't think Rodgers can play in the cold? he's played as well in it as any other QB that comes to Lambeau when the temps drop, I've never thought that opinion has merit, add another off season to the receivers, shore up the OL, maybe add a TE or another receiver and this becomes the SF 49er offense that beat the Hawks Saturday, and Rodgers is the perfect QB to run it.

My view of Rodgers in the cold is that he isnt what he used to be. He can still be good, if the OLine keeps him clean. To say that is isnt what he used to be in the cold is NOT the same as saying that he cannot play in the cold. He has played some incredible games in the cold - in the past. Plus, his OLine has let him down, albeit against some very good defenses.

[wizard 87]

Today, Aaron said on Pat McAfee (in response to AJ Hawk) that he can still play at an MVP level, in the right circumstances.

That speaks to my comment above. In short form, if Aaron gets the OLine and receiver play that he had in his two MVP seasons, the question would be, “Why not?” I’m surprised that somebody hasn’t commented on that comment of his today yet.

My view is that he can still play MVP level, until the weather turns cold. He is probably better than Favre was at this point in his career. But I really think that he cannot do the MVP level when it is really cold. I mean the type of level where he can carry his team for a while. If he gets the support from every place else, he can do well enough. Better than a QB who is a “Manager” of his offense. But I do think there are QBs who are still notch higher.

Let's stop right here, " He says he can play at an MVP level" to be blunt his self-evaluation is of little value. Is he a HOF QB? Yes, no doubt about it. Maybe yes he might be an MVP one more time( Could very easily never ever sniff it again at 40) BUT let's cut out all the cute stuff.

Aaron Rodgers hasn't won a title in 11 years, he's choked and played like crap in the big games for years now. At this stage, I don't want an MVP... I want a QB that can get us to the Super Bowl, THIS is where I have doubts about AR anymore, in between his ears, not his skill set. Right now, and it's proven he's not that guy.

PS he's yanking us by our ^icks again with the show and his showboating. He won't walk away from that money regardless.

[Yoop]

Today, Aaron said on Pat McAfee (in response to AJ Hawk) that he can still play at an MVP level, in the right circumstances.

That speaks to my comment above. In short form, if Aaron gets the OLine and receiver play that he had in his two MVP seasons, the question would be, “Why not?” I’m surprised that somebody hasn’t commented on that comment of his today yet.

My view is that he can still play MVP level, until the weather turns cold. He is probably better than Favre was at this point in his career. But I really think that he cannot do the MVP level when it is really cold. I mean the type of level where he can carry his team for a while. If he gets the support from every place else, he can do well enough. Better than a QB who is a “Manager” of his offense. But I do think there are QBs who are still notch higher.

Let's stop right here, " He says he can play at an MVP level" to be blunt his self-evaluation is of little value. Is he a HOF QB? Yes, no doubt about it. Maybe yes he might be an MVP one more time( Could very easily never ever sniff it again at 40) BUT let's cut out all the cute stuff.

Aaron Rodgers hasn't won a title in 11 years, he's choked and played like crap in the big games for years now. At this stage, I don't want an MVP... I want a QB that can get us to the Super Bowl, THIS is where I have doubts about AR anymore, in between his ears, not his skill set. Right now, and it's proven he's not that guy.

PS he's yanking us by our ^icks again with the show and his showboating. He won't walk away from that money regardless.

oh theres nothing cute about 5 to 7 dropped passes, 1 to Tae in the EZ another I can't remember who, but it also would have been a TD to end the 2020 PO's, or his RB coughing up excellent field position, along with Lewis doing the same to end any hopes in 2021, for ever game blamed on Rodgers not being the Dodger, people over look the less then stellar performances from all the other players we consider good

Is it really Rodgers fault for Murphy caving as he did and giving Rodgers that 120 mil. contract in 2018? or what the FO has given him since, no way he's turning that down, specially since he's always intended to retire a Packer, everyone blames Rodgers about the money, and give a pass to those that gave it to him.

I was taken back when Murphy gave him the money in 2018, why? he still had two seasons left on the old one, guess with all the other changes ( Ted, Capers, 1 yr prove it deal with McCarthy) he didn't want his QB to ask for a trade ( who knows what went behind closed doors about that stuff), so much change in that 2 yr period, and now we seem to be knocking on that door again.

I seem to be in the minority that the Rodgers we saw this year is not actually as bad as he looked, but I'am tired of beating that subject to death, I can go either way, but it's still my opinion that if the team can retain the nucleus, improve several positions, Rodgers can helm a winning team, I can't say that with Love, and at my age I don't want to rebuild, each and every season matters more when your old

Nice to see ya posting Wizard