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I don’t think the restructure even requires 12’s approval. It’s a move the team can make on their own to basically pay out the same monetary figure only structured differently from a salary cap perspective. The team hasn’t done it yet, to my knowledge, which leads me to agree with the conclusion we haven’t really sold out to make any “run” so to speak.
At least that’s how I believe it works...? I could be full of it completely.
Correct on the bolded. The team has the right to re-structure, but its not done in a vacuum. AR sits down with Russ and Gute at the end of every year and they talk about the deal and future plans. We don't know IF it is already done, I suspect they wanted to wait for Jones deal before finalizing. But GB needs another $3-5 M to sign rookies and another $ 5M for in season moves - and there aren't a lot of oranges left to squeeze.
I suspect we'll hear more in the coming days and the big decision is: restructure or extend ?
Drj820 wrote: Restructuring 12 is the one thing we can do to really go for it that would give us the cap to make moves in free agency. If he doesn’t want to do that, he is just forfeiting himself some more help in the next couple of years
I don’t think the restructure even requires 12’s approval. It’s a move the team can make on their own to basically pay out the same monetary figure only structured differently from a salary cap perspective. The team hasn’t done it yet, to my knowledge, which leads me to agree with the conclusion we haven’t really sold out to make any “run” so to speak.
At least that’s how I believe it works...? I could be full of it completely.
You very well could be right, I admit I am not sure. You see my point well though that I am not seeing anything we are doing that radically says we are "all in" and "going for it". To my eye we just restructured some guys because the cap went down and we needed to get under it, and we signed an elite RB for a very friendly deal.
I do recognize this perspective could all change though if we start working some magic to bring in a bunch of key FAs.
Drj820 wrote: Restructuring 12 is the one thing we can do to really go for it that would give us the cap to make moves in free agency. If he doesn’t want to do that, he is just forfeiting himself some more help in the next couple of years
I don’t think the restructure even requires 12’s approval. It’s a move the team can make on their own to basically pay out the same monetary figure only structured differently from a salary cap perspective. The team hasn’t done it yet, to my knowledge, which leads me to agree with the conclusion we haven’t really sold out to make any “run” so to speak.
At least that’s how I believe it works...? I could be full of it completely.
You very well could be right, I admit I am not sure. You see my point well though that I am not seeing anything we are doing that radically says we are "all in" and "going for it". To my eye we just restructured some guys because the cap went down and we needed to get under it, and we signed an elite RB for a very friendly deal.
I do recognize this perspective could all change though if we start working some magic to bring in a bunch of key FAs.
There's nothing so far pointing to Gutey going "all-in, YOLO, all eggsies in one basket, SB or bust!!!!" -mode. More like "remain a SB contender in a tough COVID cap year, aim to be a SB contender for years to come" -mode.
The extensions to Bak and Clark had more guarantees than usual GB deals, but then both (along with AR) are All-Pro level premium position players. The Smiths' and others' restructures pushed cap to next season, but not outrageous amounts of it, just enough to enable us to get under cap. If we did extensions to Adams and Z after this season, their 2022 cap hits would drop precipitously. Aaron Jones' deal is good for 2-3 years, meaning all of his prime years.
If I had to guess, I'd bet they'll do a moderate restructuring of AR's contract and sign a cut bargain player or few to hold onto the 4th and 6th round comp picks we're in line for.
Nothing we have done so far screams to me we are taking a massive swing to go for it. All we have done is keep a talented rb on a far friendlier deal than anyone thought he would take.
Besides that Rodgers cap hasn’t been pushed out to eat later, linsley wasn’t approached about signing a new deal, and we haven’t made any big signings (yet). Pushing Rodgers deal out would be the sign to me that we are going for it now, just to worry about the consequences later as we potentially cut Rodgers or trade him after2022 and deal with the dead cap punishment
Restructuring 12 is the one thing we can do to really go for it that would give us the cap to make moves in free agency. If he doesn’t want to do that, he is just forfeiting himself some more help in the next couple of years
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Not even close to "ALL IN" yet. There will be 5 primary indicators: 1) a reformulated defensive line capable of stopping the run and pressuring the QB, 2) another decent CB, 3) the LT and RT situation properly fixed, healed etc. and up and running, 4) a capable Center, and 5) when Yooper says so.
1. Green Bay re-signing Aaron Jones. As I have written before, Jones is not a running back, he is a weapon. He can impact the passing game with his route-running talent, which places him in the Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara category. No team wants to pay a running back who can only carry the ball. Teams will pay for a multidimensional back, and Jones fits that description.
I LOVE having Jones back in the fold. Great player and fantastic fit in this offense.
Unfortunately I had already resigned myself to accepting he was gone and looked forward to what a Williams/Dillon backfield could accomplish along with potentially bringing back Linsley or a upper tier defensive FA. A Williams resigning would have surely come much cheaper and I believe he and Dillon could have provided what the offense needed without the financial stress that accompanies the Jones resigning. Yeah, Jones has big play juice but I think the offense would have survived without him.
I guess I’ll reserve final judgment until the details come out but, as it stands, I just have the feeling those financial resources would’ve been better spent elsewhere. Oh well. Not terribly disappointed to see AJ back in the fold.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
WTF!! You deleted your post, 2 years later!! Haha!! What are you hiding?!?! Hahahaha!!! Wow!!!
First page, about 11th post down. Deleted his own post 2 years after the fact to hide something.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I love Aaron Jones so I’m happy to have him back. Devil will be in the details. Only thing is that it makes that 2nd round selection for a RB when we already have an RB1 seem like it could have gone to help elsewhere but...
Edited a 2nd time! HA! ABSOLUTELY no credibility.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I LOVE having Jones back in the fold. Great player and fantastic fit in this offense.
Unfortunately I had already resigned myself to accepting he was gone and looked forward to what a Williams/Dillon backfield could accomplish along with potentially bringing back Linsley or a upper tier defensive FA. A Williams resigning would have surely come much cheaper and I believe he and Dillon could have provided what the offense needed without the financial stress that accompanies the Jones resigning. Yeah, Jones has big play juice but I think the offense would have survived without him.
I guess I’ll reserve final judgment until the details come out but, as it stands, I just have the feeling those financial resources would’ve been better spent elsewhere. Oh well. Not terribly disappointed to see AJ back in the fold.
Yoop was wrong, everyone wanted to resign Jones
Wtf is your point with dredging up this post? Is this what you consider a “gotcha” moment?
What part of “I LOVE having Jones back in the fold” discredits what I said in the other thread? My reservations were with cap impacts and is exactly what I mentioned in the other thread.
doesn't matter why you didn't want Jones back APB, the only thing that we are dealing with, is you didn't want him back, reason be damned.
the excuses, contract, short shelf life of position, talent level, none of it really applied to Jones, the contract was team friendly, so far he's been available for almost every game, and his talent level is through the roof.
all reason why we shy away from 2nd contracts to RB's, so when you say for yourself it was just the money, it falls into those parameters.
at that time my main reason was un tapped potential, McCarthy and his limited snap counts for RB's and dividing them between Williams and Jones may have been a blessing, and extended Jones shelf life, imo as I said, he was just hitting his prime two years ago, and if our run blocking had been better last year he may have hit that 1500 yrd mark, or more, sensational considering he shares so many of the run snaps with Dillon.
doesn't matter why you didn't want Jones back APB, the only thing that we are dealing with, is you didn't want him back, reason be damned.
the excuses, contract, short shelf life of position, talent level, none of it really applied to Jones, the contract was team friendly, so far he's been available for almost every game, and his talent level is through the roof.
all reason why we shy away from 2nd contracts to RB's, so when you say for yourself it was just the money, it falls into those parameters.
at that time my main reason was un tapped potential, McCarthy and his limited snap counts for RB's and dividing them between Williams and Jones may have been a blessing, and extended Jones shelf life, imo as I said, he was just hitting his prime two years ago, and if our run blocking had been better last year he may have hit that 1500 yrd mark, or more, sensational considering he shares so many of the run snaps with Dillon.
as I said a bunch of people didn't want to resign Jones, and you and 23, Ghost, probably Yoho, Lupe, are in that group, I don't even remember mentioning REASONS, simply that you DIDN't want to, of course money is one aspect of resigning any player, same with positional longevity, basically I'am saying you guys where not committed to resigning Jones, and now are using this money BS to justify your position, so who's the clown here.
I just felt like we could have used Jones more. He is so freaking good but I feel under utilized.
exactly, it was so obvious to me that McCarthy left a lot of yards un tapped with Jones on the bench, might have been a blessing in that it prolongs Jones career though.
I just felt like we could have used Jones more. He is so freaking good but I feel under utilized.
exactly, it was so obvious to me that McCarthy left a lot of yards un tapped with Jones on the bench, might have been a blessing in that it prolongs Jones career though.
