Offensive Line

[TheSkeptic]

My opinion that the best change to the Oline is a new coach. How else can we explain the lack of development of everyone except Bakh and Jenkins? Even the backups, Hanson, JRJ, Newman and Nijman have stopped progression. A 2nd year player should be better than he was as a rookie. A 3rd year man should be better than he was in his second year. And this simply is not the case, they are NOT getting better and the only thing they have in common is the coach.

[BSA]

Football Outsiders ranked the 2022 Packers as the # 2 run blocking unit in the NFL
Football Outsiders ranked the 2022 Packers as the # 6 pass blocking unit in the NFL
Packers OL ranked # 2 in " getting stuffed" only 1 OL was better
Packers OL ranked # 4 in getting to the 2nd level defenders
Packers OL ranked # 6 in adjusted sack rate

All of this while covering injuries and line-up changes. 7 different OL guys played more than 41 % of the snaps in 2022

As far as any one coach being the constant problem, which OL coach ? Stenavich, Butch Barry, Luke Butkus, Ryan Mahaffey, Hackett, MLF ?
Collectively, they've delivered exemplary results - based on objective data from a well-respected source.

[Yoop]

“Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no understanding and no supporting evidence"

Football Outsiders ranked the 2022 Packers as the # 2 run blocking unit in the NFL
Football Outsiders ranked the 2022 Packers as the # 6 pass blocking unit in the NFL
Packers OL ranked # 2 in " getting stuffed" only 1 OL was better
Packers OL ranked # 4 in getting to the 2nd level defenders
Packers OL ranked # 6 in adjusted sack rate

All of this while covering injuries and line-up changes. 7 different OL guys played more than 41 % of the snaps in 2022
If you'd like to share an opinion, that's wonderful. If want us to give it any credibility - kindly back it up...

As far as any one coach being the constant problem, which OL coach ? Stenavich, Butch Barry, Luke Butkus, Ryan Mahaffey, Hackett, MLF ?
Collectively, they've delivered exemplary results - based on objective data from a well-respected source.

imo our OL struggled at times last year ( probably I'am to used to it being so good) with both pass pro and run blocking, both Meyers and Runyan where pushed around and Nijman looked very slow at RT, to me it was obvious he had footwork issues switching to the right side.

I remember PFF saying Bahktiari didn't give up so much as a pressure against a opponent last year, when I watched a rusher go around him and force Rodgers to get rid of the ball, my point is I tend to trust what I see versus simply accepting what these graders say as gospel, I tend to think our OL was much better the second half of the season then it was the first half

I remember also a couple years back and Jones and Dillon where stopped before or at the LOS on 3 straight runs and someone giving us a plus grade for run blocking for that game, probably PFF

I don't consider myself to be as astute at this as outsiders or any other graders, but I did sleep at a Marriots hotel once and we all know thats notoriously better then a Holiday Inn

[bud fox]

Football Outsiders ranked the 2022 Packers as the # 2 run blocking unit in the NFL
Football Outsiders ranked the 2022 Packers as the # 6 pass blocking unit in the NFL
Packers OL ranked # 2 in " getting stuffed" only 1 OL was better
Packers OL ranked # 4 in getting to the 2nd level defenders
Packers OL ranked # 6 in adjusted sack rate

All of this while covering injuries and line-up changes. 7 different OL guys played more than 41 % of the snaps in 2022

As far as any one coach being the constant problem, which OL coach ? Stenavich, Butch Barry, Luke Butkus, Ryan Mahaffey, Hackett, MLF ?
Collectively, they've delivered exemplary results - based on objective data from a well-respected source.

Do they do game grades?

Are you able to get the chiefs game grade for oline? Loves start.

It would be interesting.

[YoHoChecko]

No single game has ever had such an emotional and paradigm-shifting impact on another human being as Love's first start against the Chiefs has impacted [mention]bud fox[/mention]

[Drj820]

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[RingoCStarrQB]

My opinion that the best change to the Oline is a new coach. How else can we explain the lack of development of everyone except Bakh and Jenkins? Even the backups, Hanson, JRJ, Newman and Nijman have stopped progression. A 2nd year player should be better than he was as a rookie. A 3rd year man should be better than he was in his second year. And this simply is not the case, they are NOT getting better and the only thing they have in common is the coach.

The coaching problems start with LaCoach. He can't get it done in the clutch when it matters. His complementary football narrative is grating, annoying, tiresome, irksome and basically shallow.

[TheSkeptic]

My opinion that the best change to the Oline is a new coach. How else can we explain the lack of development of everyone except Bakh and Jenkins? Even the backups, Hanson, JRJ, Newman and Nijman have stopped progression. A 2nd year player should be better than he was as a rookie. A 3rd year man should be better than he was in his second year. And this simply is not the case, they are NOT getting better and the only thing they have in common is the coach.

The coaching problems start with LaCoach. He can't get it done in the clutch when it matters. His complementary football narrative is grating, annoying, tiresome, irksome and basically shallow.

I guess we will find out this season whether he is a legitimate coach or whether Rodgers was in charge of the O.

Note that it is possible that the Oline could be very good statistically and my point about progression is still accurate. When you put Bakh and Jenkins into your Oline and add Tom, it is reasonable that you are going to have good stats. That does not change the lack of progression in the other 3. Nijman looked good a couple of seasons ago when he had to step in when Bakh and Jenkins got hurt. We thought the Packers had found a gemstone on the beach. But then in the last game vs the Lions, he absolutely got embarrassed by a rookie, Nijman just plain sucked at RT. Eventually the Packers benched him in favor of Tom and the suck was terminated. Myers did not progress in his 2nd year, as he should have. JRJ looked worse in his 3rd year than he looked in his second. Bakh and Jenkins don't need a lot of coaching, they know how to play and prepare. The other 3 do need coaching and IMO they did not get it last season.

[YoHoChecko]

I mean so we had/have a guy with a great reputation for developing OL talent and getting the best out of our players.

He was doing so well that in order to keep him, we had to promote him. Now he’s OC and a little he’s hands on with the OL room. His assistant OL coach became the OL coach and it was his first year leading a position room.

Maybe Butkus isn’t good enough. Maybe the transition just had a temporary slowdown. Maybe the amount of involvement in the OL room by the OC can be tinkered with by MLF and Steno doing some self scouting in the offseason.

But I’m not ready to say the OL coaching is a problem that needs solving. Again, for a variety of reasons (coaching departures and changes, Adams trade, OL injury returns) last year was always going to be somewhat of a transition year on offense.

With a QB change this year, we’re going to have another transition, but the hope is the stuff from last year has settled to give our QB a more stable environment in which to grow. Hopefully, the OL coaching and injury issues have settled into themselves. We can only see and evaluate. It’s too early in my view to call for a change

[Scott4Pack]

OLine Coach has long been a position that requires a lengthy learning curve. Since Larry Beightol, I think, the coaches have started poorly but eventually become very good. James Campen was a perfect example. His start was worse than poor. But by the end of his tenure, he might’ve been the best around.

[TheSkeptic]

OLine Coach has long been a position that requires a lengthy learning curve. Since Larry Beightol, I think, the coaches have started poorly but eventually become very good. James Campen was a perfect example. His start was worse than poor. But by the end of his tenure, he might’ve been the best around.

Then maybe this is a problem that time and experience will correct. I certainly hope so. In particular, Myers and JRJ are critical to the season.