#4 WR

[Yoop]

Toure got a lot of Looks from Rodgers last season and obviously was not where he was suppose to be, what 11 targets and 5 catches is what I think I saw, it's a compliment to Toure to say he was low floor, Basement level is more accurate.

Reed is miles ahead of Toure at every facet of the position, Reed will push Doubs for receptions I'am almost convinced of that.

And Musgrave will also compete for targets, I know everyone here likes Kraft more, but Musgrave looks very good running routes and snagging passes.

I find it exciting for us to have some high floor receiver talent again

[APB]

Toure got a lot of Looks from Rodgers last season and obviously was not where he was suppose to be...

Huh? If it's obvious, then maybe you can show us simpletons some examples?

I know everyone here likes Kraft more, but Musgrave looks very good running routes and snagging passes.

Again, where is this coming from? Musgrave was rated higher, selected higher, and from what I've seen, received positive chatter from the forum. Who is this "everyone" that you're referring to??

[Labrev]

Toure got a lot of Looks from Rodgers last season and obviously was not where he was suppose to be, what 11 targets and 5 catches is what I think I saw, it's a compliment to Toure to say he was low floor, Basement level is more accurate.

Okay, now I am pulling hard for Toure. Utterly ridiculous.

[Yoop]

Toure got a lot of Looks from Rodgers last season and obviously was not where he was suppose to be...

Huh? If it's obvious, then maybe you can show us simpletons some examples?

I know everyone here likes Kraft more, but Musgrave looks very good running routes and snagging passes.

Again, where is this coming from? Musgrave was rated higher, selected higher, and from what I've seen, received positive chatter from the forum. Who is this "everyone" that you're referring to??

I guess you simpletons don't bother to look up game stats, nor actually watch whos on the field during games, Toure played in 11 games, was targeted only 10 times and caught 5 passes, and he saw that much action because Watkins Doubs and Watson Cobb and Lazard combined to missed 20 games, so to assume that Toure ran crisp routes and got open when he played goes against reality, he didn't and ya don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure that out, duh, lets blame the QB games is getting real old, that is simple minded thinking, do some research

and I watched alot of vids on Musgrave prior to the draft which I'd bet you didn't

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... b/2022.htm

[Acrobat]

So no examples then.

[Yoop]

Toure got a lot of Looks from Rodgers last season and obviously was not where he was suppose to be, what 11 targets and 5 catches is what I think I saw, it's a compliment to Toure to say he was low floor, Basement level is more accurate.

Okay, now I am pulling hard for Toure. Utterly ridiculous.

we'll see how ridiculous it is, do you want to wager who is targeted more this season between Toure and Reed?
bring it,

[Yoop]

So no examples then.

I do bring examples and reference for some members, rest assured you'd never be one

[Pckfn23]

How does showing that Toure played 112 snaps, saw 10 targets, and caught 5 passes prove that he was not where he was supposed to be, didn't run crisp routes, or didn't get open when he was supposed to?

FYI, NO ONE is blaming any QB... That it went there immediately is down right crazy.

[YoHoChecko]

I mean guys; all Yoop is saying is that Toure really didn't show that much and is maybe getting more talk and hype than his meager rookie season merits.

And that Reed is a more talented and ready-to-play WR.

I know some details about his Toure analysis or offhand remarks about the TEs might not mesh with any evidence, but are we really going to make a big stink over saying Toure didn't actually show much as a rookie, and Reed is more talented and probably ready to come in and compete and play pretty quickly?

I mean, Toure is a 7th round draft pick and Reed is a 2nd. I think the team/league would concur with any assessment that reed is more talented, has a higher upside, and should be ready to get on the field sooner than later. We don't have to debate all the side chatter about Rodgers and Musgrave and being in the right place to understand the primary point--Toure probably isn't a good enough reason to keep Reed off the field. That's a perfectly mainstream, rational assessment here.

[Acrobat]

So no examples then.

I do bring examples and reference for some members, rest assured you'd never be one

Cool.

[APB]

Toure got a lot of Looks from Rodgers last season and obviously was not where he was suppose to be...

Huh? If it's obvious, then maybe you can show us simpletons some examples?

I know everyone here likes Kraft more, but Musgrave looks very good running routes and snagging passes.

Again, where is this coming from? Musgrave was rated higher, selected higher, and from what I've seen, received positive chatter from the forum. Who is this "everyone" that you're referring to??

I guess you simpletons don't bother to look up game stats, nor actually watch whos on the field during games, Toure played in 11 games, was targeted only 10 times and caught 5 passes, and he saw that much action because Watkins Doubs and Watson Cobb and Lazard combined to missed 20 games, so to assume that Toure ran crisp routes and got open when he played goes against reality, he didn't and ya don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure that out, duh, lets blame the QB games is getting real old, that is simple minded thinking, do some research

and I watched alot of vids on Musgrave prior to the draft which I'd bet you didn't

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... b/2022.htm

This is like 1+1 = turnip

You're offering statistical data then making a connection that doesn't have anything to do with the data presented and your original statement of Toure running bad routes.

And I never mentioned Rodgers or blame. That was you, sir.

[Yoop]

Huh? If it's obvious, then maybe you can show us simpletons some examples?



Again, where is this coming from? Musgrave was rated higher, selected higher, and from what I've seen, received positive chatter from the forum. Who is this "everyone" that you're referring to??

I guess you simpletons don't bother to look up game stats, nor actually watch whos on the field during games, Toure played in 11 games, was targeted only 10 times and caught 5 passes, and he saw that much action because Watkins Doubs and Watson Cobb and Lazard combined to missed 20 games, so to assume that Toure ran crisp routes and got open when he played goes against reality, he didn't and ya don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure that out, duh, lets blame the QB games is getting real old, that is simple minded thinking, do some research

and I watched alot of vids on Musgrave prior to the draft which I'd bet you didn't

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... b/2022.htm

This is like 1+1 = turnip

You're offering statistical data then making a connection that doesn't have anything to do with the data presented and your original statement of Toure running bad routes.

And I never mentioned Rodgers or blame. That was you, sir.

Toure had 112 snaps to get open, and didn't enough for Rodgers to throw to him more then 10 times when all the other receivers where missing time, if he where as good as some of you think Rodgers would have fed him the ball more, Toure had almost zero competition to see playing time, and all he got was 112 snaps.

so NO, imo Toure will have all he can do to be a #5 or 6 receiver in our rotation, hell he might not even make the team

[Acrobat]

I mean guys; all Yoop is saying is that Toure really didn't show that much and is maybe getting more talk and hype than his meager rookie season merits.

And that Reed is a more talented and ready-to-play WR.

I know some details about his Toure analysis or offhand remarks about the TEs might not mesh with any evidence, but are we really going to make a big stink over saying Toure didn't actually show much as a rookie, and Reed is more talented and probably ready to come in and compete and play pretty quickly?

I mean, Toure is a 7th round draft pick and Reed is a 2nd. I think the team/league would concur with any assessment that reed is more talented, has a higher upside, and should be ready to get on the field sooner than later. We don't have to debate all the side chatter about Rodgers and Musgrave and being in the right place to understand the primary point--Toure probably isn't a good enough reason to keep Reed off the field. That's a perfectly mainstream, rational assessment here.

Yes but you can make that argument without completely making things up and then getting defensive when asked for proof.

[Labrev]

Toure got a lot of Looks from Rodgers last season and obviously was not where he was suppose to be, what 11 targets and 5 catches is what I think I saw, it's a compliment to Toure to say he was low floor, Basement level is more accurate.

Okay, now I am pulling hard for Toure. Utterly ridiculous.

we'll see how ridiculous it is, do you want to wager who is targeted more this season between Toure and Reed?
bring it,

It's not about him or if Reed is better. You decry all the "attacks" (some are not even attacks at all) against Rodgers, yet will throw every other poor sod on our team under the bus, just to try to keep the Tenured Diva's image spotless.

Sickening. Whatever role Toure ends up with, I hope he balls out and puts a foot in your mouth for that comment. A comment you only made, as you said clearly, as a response to "blame the QB games" i.e. to defend the Golden Boy.

[Yoop]

Okay, now I am pulling hard for Toure. Utterly ridiculous.

we'll see how ridiculous it is, do you want to wager who is targeted more this season between Toure and Reed?
bring it,

It's not about him or if Reed is better. You decry all the "attacks" (some are not even attacks at all) against Rodgers, yet will throw every other poor sod on our team under the bus, just to try to keep the Tenured Diva's image spotless.

Sickening. Whatever role Toure ends up with, I hope he balls out and puts a foot in your mouth for that comment. A comment you only made, as you said clearly, as a response to "blame the QB games" i.e. to defend the Golden Boy.

do you ever think of why things happen or just that they do?

if Toure is only targeted 10 times on 112 snaps while other receivers are out with injury for him to even get those snaps then he obviously was not getting OPEN, which translates to running poor routes, the wrong routes, and thats about it, so again, why are you thinking so highly of Toure

I admit maybe I shouldn't have added the comment about Rodgers, but you haters ranked on him so much, and now you show this violent retort for getting it shoved in your face again

[Pckfn23]

What if Toure was involved in 102 run snaps and 10 pass snaps?

In 2021 against the Bears, Davante Adams was only targeted 5 times in 50 snaps. Does that mean he was running poor routes, running the wrong routes, and not getting open?

[Yoop]

Toure got a lot of Looks from the QB last season and obviously was not where he was suppose to be,


does that make it more palatable for you people that hate our previous QB and hell bent to think Toure is better?

run routes right, and on schedule and you will be thrown the ball, people act like our QB black balled Toure last year

[Pckfn23]

Can you give us examples of when Toure was not where he was supposed to be?

No one mentioned any QB. This has nothing to do with any QB.

The point being is that one cannot just say 5 catches in 10 targets means the receiver was running poor routes and was not where he was supposed to be. This is what people are questioning, not that Toure is good or will be the #3 WR.

[Yoop]

Can you give us examples of when Toure was not where he was supposed to be?

No one mentioned any QB. This has nothing to do with any QB.

The point being is that one cannot just say 5 catches in 10 targets means the receiver was running poor routes and was not where he was supposed to be. This is what people are questioning, not that Toure is good or will be the #3 WR.

if he had been the QB would have thrown him more passes, my point is this was insult thrown at Rodgers because Toure had almost no competition in some games to be targeted more, drops and his own inability to be at catch points is the only reason why he wasn't targeted or got more game snaps.

we all know this, this convo is so childish, and I actually do have stuff to do so I wont be looking up reference for you or anyone, you know damn well I'am right concerning everything I've said.

[Pckfn23]

if he had been the QB would have thrown him more passes,

There is only 1 ball and about 5 eligible receivers per play. So you see, one can not just say that 5 of 10 means he ran poor or wrong routes. A player can run the right route correctly and still not get the ball thrown to him.

You CAN say that Toure wasn't a good enough receiver, probably because he didn't have the routes/plays down or wasn't as polished in his play, which is why he only saw 112 snaps. However you tried to equate 5 catch in 10 targets to mean that, which one just can not say without looking at those 10 targets individually.

my point is this was insult thrown at Rodgers

IT ABSOLUTELY WAS NOT. (Caps for emphasis)

because Toure had almost no competition in some games to be targeted more, drops and his own inability to be at catch points is the only reason why he wasn't targeted or got more game snaps.

Again can you give us examples of these things? Point to a snap that this was the case.