#4 WR

[Yoop]

Fun thread I now regret making.

Should have foreseen it would have taken all of 5 posts for yoop to go on a random Rodgers tangent even when no one mentioned Rodgers.

hore &%$@ 004, I simply said the name Rodgers instead of saying the QB, it upset your fellow Moderator to insinuate I was defending Rodgers.

again you put this on me when actually other drug this out

[Acrobat]

Huh? If it's obvious, then maybe you can show us simpletons some examples?

[mention]Yoop[/mention] this was the quote from the other mod. Never mentions Rodgers anywhere. He simply requested examples. By the way, do you have them yet?

[BF004]

Fun thread I now regret making.

Should have foreseen it would have taken all of 5 posts for yoop to go on a random Rodgers tangent even when no one mentioned Rodgers.

hore &%$@ 004, I simply said the name Rodgers instead of saying the QB, it upset your fellow Moderator to insinuate I was defending Rodgers.

again you put this on me when actually other drug this out

Did it upset APB? Did he say anything about you defending Rodgers?

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When it’s 20 against 1 for the 100th thread in a row, maybe reread some posts twice before responding with such unwarranted emotion. And actually respond to the posts words, not assumed intents. We don’t have to keep doing this.

[Yoop]

all these repetitive question as to why I think what I do of Touri has sent Yoho packing, instead of bringing something we'd all be interested in discussing some here only want to lambast me, great forum building.

in this draft class Touri would have been a UDFA, thats how low I think Touri's chances are of even making this team.

now can we stop with all the stupd questions 23 and Acrobat

Can you please provide examples of when Toure was in the wrong position?

do you even care? your asking a almost impossible thing do do minus all22 over head views.

why do you continue to ask things that you yourself should have see by just watching the game

I also explained things you should know, we saw Rodgers countless times last season bidding time and searching for anyone open and Touri was in the game some of that time.

I also looked up and gave you the games other player missed completely so there was a shortage of receivers, Rodgers didn't neglect Touri as the first responder hinted, Touri sucked and that was the main reason for his lack of targets

[Acrobat]

Additionally, when we simply ask you for proof, insulting us is evidence that you don't have any proof. Instead, you could probably cut out about 30 posts by just saying "You know what guys, I don't have any actual evidence. It's just a gut feeling I have". It might not win the argument but better to be honest than insulting a handful of members and amplifying tension.

[Acrobat]

all these repetitive question as to why I think what I do of Touri has sent Yoho packing, instead of bringing something we'd all be interested in discussing some here only want to lambast me, great forum building.

in this draft class Touri would have been a UDFA, thats how low I think Touri's chances are of even making this team.

now can we stop with all the stupd questions 23 and Acrobat

Can you please provide examples of when Toure was in the wrong position?

do you even care? your asking a almost impossible thing do do minus all22 over head views.

why do you continue to ask things that you yourself should have see by just watching the game

I also explained things you should know, we saw Rodgers countless times last season bidding time and searching for anyone open and Touri was in the game some of that time.

I also looked up and gave you the games other player missed completely so there was a shortage of receivers, Rodgers didn't neglect Touri as the first responder hinted, Touri sucked and that was the main reason for his lack of targets

Again though, these are assumptions. Which specific plays was Rodgers running around looking for an open receiver? How many of these plays was Toure in the game? How many of those plays was Toure the primary WR? How much time did Rodgers have in the pocket? What were the coverage schemes?

I don't expect you to know all of this but I certainly would expect a pretty strong amount of detail if you're going to carry such a strong opinion that Toure "sucked".

[Yoop]

Fun thread I now regret making.

Should have foreseen it would have taken all of 5 posts for yoop to go on a random Rodgers tangent even when no one mentioned Rodgers.

hore &%$@ 004, I simply said the name Rodgers instead of saying the QB, it upset your fellow Moderator to insinuate I was defending Rodgers.

again you put this on me when actually other drug this out

Did it upset APB? Did he say anything about you defending Rodgers?

viewtopic.php?p=130155#p130155

When it’s 20 against 1 for the 100th thread in a row, maybe reread some posts twice before responding with such unwarranted emotion. And actually respond to the posts words, not assumed intents. We don’t have to keep doing this.

I think it was the reference to simpletons, with as bad as the receiver situation was if Touri was open Rodgers would have thrown him the ball, course I'am expected to prove every comment, why can't people just think back and tell me all the times this great 7th round draft pick was open..

what emotion are you taking about, you and a few others hear seem to be the thin skinned people, lashing out at me for the mere mention that more then likely Toure was the reason for not doing better and not the QB

as Yoho said, I was not out of line with my reasoning, I rarely am, the problem here is some of you just don't like dealing with reality.

[Acrobat]

what emotion are you taking about, you and a few others hear seem to be the thin skinned people, lashing out at me for the mere mention that more then likely Toure was the reason for not doing better and not the QB

In your original post about Toure, you said nothing about Toure being the reason why we didn't do better in comparison to the QB. So you're actually admitting to digging up the old, tired argument when you actually didn't even do it!

[Pckfn23]

I was not out of line with my reasoning, I rarely am, the problem here is some of you just don't like dealing with reality.

This is the problem at the root of all this. You are so out of touch with reality, you do not realize you are the common denominator in all of these. You are the problem. You bring up your pet topics constantly by imagining some reference to them when none exists. This is a you problem, not an us problem.

When asked valid questions and asked to provide proof you insult and call the questions childish or say it is so obvious we should all know it. This is simply you deflecting because you can not answer or have no proof.

In this case, you were called out for saying 5 of 10 to Toure was proof that he was running bad and wrong routes. That simple stat can not tell us that. We would need references to actual plays to know that, which is why those are being asked for. Lastly, none of this had anything to do with Rodgers or any sort of QB ever to play the game.

Toure wasn't ready to contribute more and may not be ready to contribute more this year. That doesn't mean the reasoning behind the original statements were sound.

[Yoop]

and I was spot on correct, Touri would have been targeted more if he was better, he was not and his draft status exemplifies that, he was the last receiver drafted in his draft class just as Dubose was this draft, now obviously late drafted and even undrafted players do excel, but Touri wasn't a miss, it could be said he was even a reach, last year was probably the easiest year for a rookie receiver to do well for us, he had literally no one stopping him from playing more, heck he wasn't even a game day player for the first 6 games, and thats saying something since Watson was hurt the first 4 or so.
so in 11 games Touri averaged less then one target a game and caught 5 passes whoopty do.

that produced my response, and ya'all got butt hurt because I said he was NOT where he needed to be to catch more passes, obviously.

and I'am not about to go dig up prof for something as obvious as I just described, for one I'am not that good at it as you guys are, and you freaking know that, and I shouldn't have to , reality is ya just want to argue.

[Pckfn23]

and I was spot on correct, Touri would have been targeted more if he was better

Absolutely and no one disagrees with this.

that produced my response, and ya'all got butt hurt because I said he was NOT where he needed to be to catch more passes, obviously.

That is not really what you said. You said, "Toure got a lot of Looks from Rodgers last season and obviously was not where he was suppose to be..." And then said the following as evidence of this, "look up game stats, nor actually watch whos on the field during games, Toure played in 11 games, was targeted only 10 times and caught 5 passes,"

People disagreed that Toure got a lot of looks from Rodgers and the only reason he wasn't thrown the ball was because he was in the wrong place or ran a bad route. You were even asked examples of this as just saying he caught 5 of 10 balls was not evidence he ran the wrong routes when he got in the game.

and I'am not about to go dig up prof for something as obvious as I just described, for one I'am not that good at it as you guys are, and you freaking know that, and I shouldn't have to , reality is ya just want to argue.

You absolutely should be expected to dig up proof what what you say as should everyone. It doesn't even have to be extensive, just 1 example of Toure running a bad route. If it was so obvious it should be easy to find. We get it. You overextended your argument and now can't prove it. Nothing wrong with that, just back it down and stick with Toure didn't see more action last year because he wasn't good enough to see the field more.

Toure might turn into a gem. Not sure. I could see Reed beating him out for #3. I could see him possibly competing for #3 or 4.

In all reality our 4th WR is probably not going to see the field much.

[Acrobat]

and I was spot on correct, Touri would have been targeted more if he was better, he was not and his draft status exemplifies that, he was the last receiver drafted in his draft class just as Dubose was this draft, now obviously late drafted and even undrafted players do excel, but Touri wasn't a miss, it could be said he was even a reach, last year was probably the easiest year for a rookie receiver to do well for us, he had literally no one stopping him from playing more, heck he wasn't even a game day player for the first 6 games, and thats saying something since Watson was hurt the first 4 or so.
so in 11 games Touri averaged less then one target a game and caught 5 passes whoopty do.

that produced my response, and ya'all got butt hurt because I said he was NOT where he needed to be to catch more passes, obviously.

and I'am not about to go dig up prof for something as obvious as I just described, for one I'am not that good at it as you guys are, and you freaking know that, and I shouldn't have to , reality is ya just want to argue.

Perhaps there's a more mature way to go about stating your opinions and follow ups then. Like if it's your opinion that Toure didn't run good routes, that's fine. It's your opinion. Buuuuut...maybe when asked for proof (not prof), just be clear that you don't have proof and that it's just the gut feeling you have. I think being honest about it instead of insulting several forum members every single time would actually gain you a little respect back.

[Yoop]

and I was spot on correct, Touri would have been targeted more if he was better, he was not and his draft status exemplifies that, he was the last receiver drafted in his draft class just as Dubose was this draft, now obviously late drafted and even undrafted players do excel, but Touri wasn't a miss, it could be said he was even a reach, last year was probably the easiest year for a rookie receiver to do well for us, he had literally no one stopping him from playing more, heck he wasn't even a game day player for the first 6 games, and thats saying something since Watson was hurt the first 4 or so.
so in 11 games Touri averaged less then one target a game and caught 5 passes whoopty do.

that produced my response, and ya'all got butt hurt because I said he was NOT where he needed to be to catch more passes, obviously.

and I'am not about to go dig up prof for something as obvious as I just described, for one I'am not that good at it as you guys are, and you freaking know that, and I shouldn't have to , reality is ya just want to argue.

Perhaps there's a more mature way to go about stating your opinions and follow ups then. Like if it's your opinion that Toure didn't run good routes, that's fine. It's your opinion. Buuuuut...maybe when asked for proof (not prof), just be clear that you don't have proof and that it's just the gut feeling you have. I think being honest about it instead of insulting several forum members every single time would actually gain you a little respect back.

there wasn't a thing wrong with what I said when I made my first comment about where Touri deserves to be ranked, and lack of targeted passes does expose that he wasn't where he needed to be to be targeted more, that APB wanted pictures and insinuated that you, he and everyone else where simpletons, he insulted himself and others saying that, I didn't.

why would you or anyone question what I said, the first thing that should come to peoples mind when a receivers only has .9 catches a game is they are not performing the receiver task well enough to be targeted more, thats it, thats just how simple that is to figure out, instead pages of arguments asking me to bring proof, your response is to catch a typo.

there are also other topics, plenty of other stuff to talk about, instead it was more important to hassel over needed proof that Touri deserves mention as a possible #4 and you want to waste my time with this BS

[Acrobat]

and I was spot on correct, Touri would have been targeted more if he was better, he was not and his draft status exemplifies that, he was the last receiver drafted in his draft class just as Dubose was this draft, now obviously late drafted and even undrafted players do excel, but Touri wasn't a miss, it could be said he was even a reach, last year was probably the easiest year for a rookie receiver to do well for us, he had literally no one stopping him from playing more, heck he wasn't even a game day player for the first 6 games, and thats saying something since Watson was hurt the first 4 or so.
so in 11 games Touri averaged less then one target a game and caught 5 passes whoopty do.

that produced my response, and ya'all got butt hurt because I said he was NOT where he needed to be to catch more passes, obviously.

and I'am not about to go dig up prof for something as obvious as I just described, for one I'am not that good at it as you guys are, and you freaking know that, and I shouldn't have to , reality is ya just want to argue.

Perhaps there's a more mature way to go about stating your opinions and follow ups then. Like if it's your opinion that Toure didn't run good routes, that's fine. It's your opinion. Buuuuut...maybe when asked for proof (not prof), just be clear that you don't have proof and that it's just the gut feeling you have. I think being honest about it instead of insulting several forum members every single time would actually gain you a little respect back.

there wasn't a thing wrong with what I said when I made my first comment about where Touri deserves to be ranked, and lack of targeted passes does expose that he wasn't where he needed to be to be targeted more, that APB wanted pictures and insinuated that you, he and everyone else where simpletons, he insulted himself and others saying that, I didn't.

why would you or anyone question what I said, the first thing that should come to peoples mind when a receivers only has .9 catches a game is they are not performing the receiver task well enough to be targeted more, thats it, thats just how simple that is to figure out, instead pages of arguments asking me to bring proof, your response is to catch a typo.

there are also other topics, plenty of other stuff to talk about, instead it was more important to hassel over needed proof that Touri deserves mention as a possible #4 and you want to waste my time with this BS

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. You came in with a big claim and all that was asked with you is something to back it up. You couldn't back it up, which frustrated you, and you lashed out at everyone. You're not weaseling out of taking accountability for your words.

[TheSkeptic]

You know what, Yoop?

Most if not all of the Packer games are online. I guarantee it will be more fun to watch than this argument was. If it turns out that you were right, that Toure was on the field for a lot of passing plays and Rodgers was running around looking for anyone who was open and Toure was not, tell us the games and times and give us links and then you can say "I was right, told you so!". At least if you can give us the number of the plays where he was on the field and the play was an incomplete pass, we would have some data and could give you the benefit of the doubt. Turning this perfectly good thread into what it has become can't have been fun for you. Give yourself a break and us too, go watch the games again.

[Madcity_matt]

I heard Tourie was open all the time, but Rodgers sucks and never found him. It's why every person on this forum except yoop hates Rodgers with a burning, consuming passion.

But seriously, I fully expect Tourie to be in the mix for #4, I think it will be a great competition this summer for all of the young receivers- 1,2 and 3 included.

[Yoop]

You know what, Yoop?

Most if not all of the Packer games are online. I guarantee it will be more fun to watch than this argument was. If it turns out that you were right, that Toure was on the field for a lot of passing plays and Rodgers was running around looking for anyone who was open and Toure was not, tell us the games and times and give us links and then you can say "I was right, told you so!". At least if you can give us the number of the plays where he was on the field and the play was an incomplete pass, we would have some data and could give you the benefit of the doubt. Turning this perfectly good thread into what it has become can't have been fun for you. Give yourself a break and us too, go watch the games again.

thanks for the advice Skeptic, but I don't have time to sit through 11 games to watch each play, it is simple to understand without doing all that, common sense says that Touri was rarely open, he didn't even average a target a game he played in, all while others like Doubs, Lazard, Cobb, Watkins, and Watson where injured, I took it as a insult when APB made his sarcastic comment, I would never do that to others here.

I should not be asked to defend a opinion I made with so much evidence pointing out that Touri played only to the position he was drafted, which again was last receiver drafted in his draft class on a team near void of receiver talent.

I think the name Rodgers is a volatile word in the huddle and that just gets peoples wrath.

[Acrobat]

You know what, Yoop?

Most if not all of the Packer games are online. I guarantee it will be more fun to watch than this argument was. If it turns out that you were right, that Toure was on the field for a lot of passing plays and Rodgers was running around looking for anyone who was open and Toure was not, tell us the games and times and give us links and then you can say "I was right, told you so!". At least if you can give us the number of the plays where he was on the field and the play was an incomplete pass, we would have some data and could give you the benefit of the doubt. Turning this perfectly good thread into what it has become can't have been fun for you. Give yourself a break and us too, go watch the games again.

thanks for the advice Skeptic, but I don't have time to sit through 11 games to watch each play, it is simple to understand without doing all that, common sense says that Touri was rarely open, he didn't even average a target a game he played in, all while others like Doubs, Lazard, Cobb, Watkins, and Watson where injured, I took it as a insult when APB made his sarcastic comment, I would never do that to others here.

I should not be asked to defend a opinion I made with so much evidence pointing out that Touri played only to the position he was drafted, which again was last receiver drafted in his draft class on a team near void of receiver talent.

I think the name Rodgers is a volatile word in the huddle and that just gets peoples wrath.

So the main point here is that if you don't have time to watch all 11 games over to prove a strong opinion, then it's best not to make a strong opinion. If you had said something ala "Based on what I saw last year, I wasn't all that impressed", this Thread would probably still be on page 1. But instead, you made up a fact that had no supporting evidence.

It's very similar in the work place. I'm not going to go to my boss with a recommendation or strong opinion if I haven't done my homework yet. And I certainly won't start insulting him if he asks me for supporting evidence.

[go pak go]

It's very similar in the work place. I'm not going to go to my boss with a recommendation or strong opinion if I haven't done my homework yet. And I certainly won't start insulting him if he asks me for supporting evidence.

I ran into that today. Likely will lead to his termination.

[Yoop]

Toure got a lot of Looks from Rodgers last season and obviously was not where he was suppose to be, what 11 targets and 5 catches is what I think I saw, it's a compliment to Toure to say he was low floor, Basement level is more accurate.

Reed is miles ahead of Toure at every facet of the position, Reed will push Doubs for receptions I'am almost convinced of that.

And Musgrave will also compete for targets, I know everyone here likes Kraft more, but Musgrave looks very good running routes and snagging passes.

I find it exciting for us to have some high floor receiver talent again

wow, I'am so sorry to hurt everyones feelings with these comments , what was I thinking to assurt that Touri might not even make this team let alone the #4 slot on the receiver pole, after all the guy hauled in a pass in every other game he played. sarcasm alert

again the main reason a receiver doesn't get targeted is because he doesn't meet the expectations of not only the QB, but also the coach, and that pretty much describes Touri last season, again a season where it was easy for any rookie to get playing time, and if Touri was so impressive in PS games , why did it take 6 games for him to even suit up?

we just drafted 2 and possibly 3 with more potential then Touri, why wouldn't I hold them in more asteem then Touri? simply playing 112 snaps in a basically empty receiver room season doesn't give him a upper hand that I can see

I consider the proof to be in his lack of targets, no way I'am spending my time to satisfy someone when the lack of them says he was not where he needed to be for the QB to throw to him, his route running didn't allow him to separate, that is self explanatory.
the simpleton additional remark probably set me off

this stuff isn't so hard to figure out, it doesn't require all this scrutiny, there was no reason for the QB not to throw more passes to Touri except for Touri not doing his part to be open more.

again it will finally be more interesting to watch this play out, I just don't have the good vibes for Touri as some of you seem to.