#4 WR

[Pckfn23]

again, last year was a easy season for any receiver we had to be a targeted receiver, we lost 20 games to our main 5 WR's, in 11 games Touri was targeted 10 times and caught 50% of them, so no, Touri was not getting open, and receivers that don't get open are not good decoys.

I hear a bunch of posters trying to get me to believe Touri is better then I think he is, and you have brought zero evidence to change my mind, I wont because those stats tell me all I need to know to predict Touri will battle simply to make this roster and surely wont be our #4 now can we move on?

What do you say to this when you claim snap count and targets is all you need to know??

"No, that is absolutely not the only evidence needed, for several reasons. First, some receivers are decoys or used to clear out defenders. They can run the perfect route, but will never get the ball. Second, there is only 1 ball to go around and a receiver can run the perfect route, but still not get the ball. Third, snap count does not differentiate between pass and run, for all we know Toure could have been on the field for 102 run snaps and 10 pass snaps, which would then indicate he ran 10 perfect routes and did not have an issue with wrong or poor routes. Lastly, as an example, Davante Adams played 50 snaps, was thrown the ball 5 times and caught 4 of them. We passed the ball 24 times that day. By the logic you are using Davante Adams in 2021 against the Bears ran 19 wrong or poor routes."

thing is nothing you just said has any logic when ya consider the circumstances last season, and unless a receiver has success at something then decoying him wont have desired affect, Touri had 1 very good pass reception for about 30 yrds, on most plays I remember seeing he had to break off his route and scramble because the DB had him blanketed.

and just go and try and find vids to dis prove my opinions, it's tedious and time consuming..
we'll see who's right about Touri this fall.

It is completely logical.

Do you disagree that more than 1 receiver can be open on a given play?
Do you disagree that a player can be used to clear out coverage for an underneath or crossing route?
Do you disagree that snap count does not differentiate between run and pass?

It isn't about Toure being better or worse this coming year. It is ALL ABOUT you trying to use snap counts and targets SOLELY to claim that it meant Toure was running poor or wrong routes. The statements above show that those 2 stats don't prove your claim. It was your attempt to discredit the opinion that Toure might have potential. It's fine to have that opinion, but your reasons didn't back up what you were claiming.

[APB]

Alright, this back-and-forth has gone on painfully too long. I'll be locking this thread and restarting the original topic while slowly dragging over pertinent posts. I figure it should take about...oh, three minutes...after eliminating the all off-topic stuff.