Do we have a bad, good, or great roster in 2023?

[Pckfn23]

3500 yards from just wide receivers or are RBs and TEs included in those receivers?

I ask, simply because I want to clarify. If it is just WR yards, I think that pigeon holes an offense too much. Take the Chiefs for example. They didn't have even 1, 1000 yard WR and all WRs amounted to 2653 yards. While that is 850 yards short of the goal they were still the most prolific passing team in 2022 and the most explosive passing team in 2022. Also the 2022 Bucs who had 2 1000 yard wide receivers only had 1000 more yards from wide receivers. The Chargers didn't have a wide receiver over 900 yards, but probably had the most prolific #4 and got to 3113 yards for wide receivers. The Dolphins had the 2 most productive WRs in the league that amounted to 3066 yards, but only had 675 from the next 4. They probably had the most receiving yards to WRs at 3741. Rounding out the top 5 passing teams, the Vikes had 1809 yards with Jefferson but that dropped to 716 from Thielen with Osborn adding 650. 283 more to round out their WR group. Their entire WR group hit 3458. Teams can have a prolific passing attack that isn't based around WR talent and/or 2 top WRs.

Now the Packers may not have the Kelce top receiving threat in 2023, but I think they can get huge receiving yards from their RBs. Watson looks to be the guy, but a sophomore slump is never out of the question. Run the offense through the RBs both rushing and receiving and it may be quite good.

[Yoop]

3500 yards from just wide receivers or are RBs and TEs included in those receivers?

I ask, simply because I want to clarify. If it is just WR yards, I think that pigeon holes an offense too much. Take the Chiefs for example. They didn't have even 1, 1000 yard WR and all WRs amounted to 2653 yards. While that is 850 yards short of the goal they were still the most prolific passing team in 2022 and the most explosive passing team in 2022.

Now the Packers may not have the Kelce top receiving threat in 2023, but I think they can get huge receiving yards from their RBs. Watson looks to be the guy, but a sophomore slump is never out of the question. Run the offense through the RBs both rushing and receiving and it may be quite good.

according to this the Chiefs passed the ball last year for 5200 yrds we passed for 3900
https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/

Watson, Reed, Doubs, Wicks and Toure should be able to eclipse 3000 yrds, add in what we get from the TE's and the RB's and I don't see any reason why we can't total at least 4000, add in our duo of runners at a conservative 1500 yards and now where talking about some offensive production.

also KC had a lot of help from there top 5 defense, but ours should be that good too.

not saying we should expect a SB appearance this year, but I expect to win the division.

[Pckfn23]

Simply saying that there is more than 1 way to produce a prolific passing attack and that going through WRs is not the end all be all as exemplified by the 2022 Chiefs. Also, a goal of 1000 yards for each of the top 2 receivers and 1500 yards for the rest might be an unattainable goal. No team in 2022 met that criteria, the Bucs getting the closest with 2 1000 yard receivers and 1000 yards from the rest.

If the Packers got 1000 yards out of Watson, 1250 more yards out of the other WRs, 750 yards out of the TEs and 1000 yards out of the RBs that would be a hell of a nice passing offense. However, not an offense that emphasized the WRs.

[Yoop]

Simply saying that there is more than 1 way to produce a prolific passing attack and that going through WRs is not the end all be all as exemplified by the 2022 Chiefs. Also, a goal of 1000 yards for each of the top 2 receivers and 1500 yards for the rest might be an unattainable goal. No team in 2022 met that criteria, the Bucs getting the closest with 2 1000 yard receivers and 1000 yards from the rest.

If the Packers got 1000 yards out of Watson, 1250 more yards out of the other WRs, 750 yards out of the TEs and 1000 yards out of the RBs that would be a hell of a nice passing offense. However, not an offense that emphasized the WRs.

where did the chiefs get those 5200 yrds passing?

I don't care if it's receivers, TE's or RB, I just want 4000 yrs plus receiving, specially if our defense gives up 20 plus points a game.
again Rodgers and Love produced almost 4000 yrds with the bunch we had last year

[Pckfn23]

1338 yards came from Kelce, and 1253 came from the other RBs and TEs.

I agree, also, that hitting that 4K marker would be great for 2023 regardless of where it comes from. That is why the following question right off the bat:

3500 yards from just wide receivers or are RBs and TEs included in those receivers?

I could see the 2023 Packers with almost half their receiving yards coming from RBs and TEs, similar to the 2022 Chiefs.

[Yoop]

1338 yards came from Kelce, and 1253 came from the other RBs and TEs.

I agree, also, that hitting that 4K marker would be great for 2023 regardless of where it comes from. That is why the following question right off the bat:

3500 yards from just wide receivers or are RBs and TEs included in those receivers?

I could see the 2023 Packers with almost half their receiving yards coming from RBs and TEs, similar to the 2022 Chiefs.

some ones stats are wrong Pckfn, according to NFL. com the Chiefs total passing was 5200 yrds, you seem to be saying they only had 2600

[Pckfn23]

1338 yards came from Kelce, and 1253 came from the other RBs and TEs.

I agree, also, that hitting that 4K marker would be great for 2023 regardless of where it comes from. That is why the following question right off the bat:

3500 yards from just wide receivers or are RBs and TEs included in those receivers?

I could see the 2023 Packers with almost half their receiving yards coming from RBs and TEs, similar to the 2022 Chiefs.

some ones stats are wrong Pckfn, according to NFL. com the Chiefs total passing was 5200 yrds, you seem to be saying they only had 2600

No, not at all saying that. About 2600 yards came from WRs and about 2600 yards came from RBs/TEs.

[Yoop]

1338 yards came from Kelce, and 1253 came from the other RBs and TEs.

I agree, also, that hitting that 4K marker would be great for 2023 regardless of where it comes from. That is why the following question right off the bat:


I could see the 2023 Packers with almost half their receiving yards coming from RBs and TEs, similar to the 2022 Chiefs.

some ones stats are wrong Pckfn, according to NFL. com the Chiefs total passing was 5200 yrds, you seem to be saying they only had 2600

No, not at all saying that. About 2600 yards came from WRs and about 2600 yards came from RBs/TEs.

I think where close to a agreement here, I just have more faith in these young receivers then you do, Watson should be close to 1300 yrds, he would have easily eclipsed 1000 as a rookie except the injury's and late start held him back, and Doubs could be close to a K as well, add in Reed Wicks and the other 2 or 3, and the 1000 1500 from the TE's, Jones and Dillon and 4 to 4500 yards receiving shouldn't be a tall order, heck Rodgers got 3900 from the worst receiver group in the league according to some, and this years class should be a little better even though some are rookies, heck the best 2 where rookies last year.

I don't see any reason for us not to at least come close to these stats, if not blow well past them, and this defense has a lot more talent then Rodgers inherited in 07

[Pckfn23]

Just FYI, Aaron Rodgers only eclipsed the 4500 yard mark once, 2011.

[lulu]

In my opinion, success or failure this year will have more to do with coaching than normal. We have alot of young guys still learning the game and need to do an exceptional job of coaching them up.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what MLF can do without Rodgers seemingly meddling with play calling. Love will have to trust MLF to call the right plays and put them in a position to succeed. He has limited experience to make too many changes.

I'm looking forward to this season maybe more than in the past. Sure, anytime 12 stepped on the field we had a chance to go all the way. That leads to expectations and as we all know, this team hasn't lived up to expectations (very high expectations) recently. We had awesome individual performances and games but continually fell short in the playoffs.

I have no real expectations this season. We could be 4-13 or 13-4. No expectations makes it...refreshing.

[go pak go]

some ones stats are wrong Pckfn, according to NFL. com the Chiefs total passing was 5200 yrds, you seem to be saying they only had 2600

No, not at all saying that. About 2600 yards came from WRs and about 2600 yards came from RBs/TEs.

I think where close to a agreement here, I just have more faith in these young receivers then you do, Watson should be close to 1300 yrds, he would have easily eclipsed 1000 as a rookie except the injury's and late start held him back, and Doubs could be close to a K as well, add in Reed Wicks and the other 2 or 3, and the 1000 1500 from the TE's, Jones and Dillon and 4 to 4500 yards receiving shouldn't be a tall order, heck Rodgers got 3900 from the worst receiver group in the league according to some, and this years class should be a little better even though some are rookies, heck the best 2 where rookies last year.

I don't see any reason for us not to at least come close to these stats, if not blow well past them, and this defense has a lot more talent then Rodgers inherited in 07

Only one team, the Chiefs, blew past the 4,500 yard mark last year.

Another 4 teams hovered around the 4,500 yard passing mark last year.

I would say manage expectations.

[Yoop]

No, not at all saying that. About 2600 yards came from WRs and about 2600 yards came from RBs/TEs.

I think where close to a agreement here, I just have more faith in these young receivers then you do, Watson should be close to 1300 yrds, he would have easily eclipsed 1000 as a rookie except the injury's and late start held him back, and Doubs could be close to a K as well, add in Reed Wicks and the other 2 or 3, and the 1000 1500 from the TE's, Jones and Dillon and 4 to 4500 yards receiving shouldn't be a tall order, heck Rodgers got 3900 from the worst receiver group in the league according to some, and this years class should be a little better even though some are rookies, heck the best 2 where rookies last year.

I don't see any reason for us not to at least come close to these stats, if not blow well past them, and this defense has a lot more talent then Rodgers inherited in 07

Only one team, the Chiefs, blew past the 4,500 yard mark last year.

Another 4 teams hovered around the 4,500 yard passing mark last year.

I would say manage expectations.

those are managed expectations, if Rodgers can produce 3900 yrds with one established vet receiver and a bunch of Rookies, then I expect Love to do as well or better with a better set of receivers, a healthier OL.

If anything I think you and some others here have unreasonably lowered your expectations as some sort of cushion to expect less because Love is a first year starting QB, unless Love folds, and what we saw last year was a fluke I see NO reason for this offense not to produce 5500 yrds, run and pass minus losing a key starter, and I wouldn't be that surprised if they exceed that.

[Waldo]

It's a good roster.

It would take a lot for me to say a great roster (1996 comes to mind)

And it would take a lot to say it's a bad roster.

So while I do feel we have a good roster, it's also just by far the most likely, available answer to my standards

Agreed. It's a good roster but I am not putting it in the 96 or the 14, 20, 21 roster tier yet which I consider the championship level rosters in my lifetime.

I kind of actually liken this team right now to spring 2007 but if Rodgers were the QB rather than Favre. A lot of potential and talent but the league is sleeping on it and we as Packers fans don't really know if it will be realized or not.

2007 was one of my favorite years as a Packers fan - if not actual favorite.

The 09-11 Packers had the longest streak of games not losing by a TD or more in NFL history. The '10 Packers at no point even trailed by more than a TD the whole season. That was a super talented team. At least 2 HOF (Rodgers,Wood), but several that next tier under (Collins, Clay, Jordy, Jennings, Clifton), two short lived flashes (Raji, Finley), and ofc the great Justin Harrell.

[Captain_Ben]

Just FYI, Aaron Rodgers only eclipsed the 4500 yard mark once, 2011.

That stat really surprised me at first but after pondering a bit, he really never was a huge “yardage” guy. Not that a 4,000 yard season isn’t impressive. AR would have streaks of games where he just didn’t rack up the big yards. That 2011 season was a different animal though.

[Drj820]

Just FYI, Aaron Rodgers only eclipsed the 4500 yard mark once, 2011.

That stat really surprised me at first but after pondering a bit, he really never was a huge “yardage” guy. Not that a 4,000 yard season isn’t impressive. AR would have streaks of games where he just didn’t rack up the big yards. That 2011 season was a different animal though.

Ya I don’t think he’s ever cared much about yardage…touchdowns on the other hand…

Seen him throw it from the inch line many times when a hand off would have been the safest play

[Acrobat]

Yeah and in 2014, there were so many games where we were up so big by halftime that he barely threw in the 2nd half.

[BF004]

Yeah and in 2014, there were so many games where we were up so big by halftime that he barely threw in the 2nd half.

I don’t see why that would be a problem.

[Pckfn23]

Expectations may be a little too high if the expectation or goal is for this passing offense to rival the passing offenses of Aaron Rodgers at the height of his career. 4500 yards passing is a lot! In the history of the NFL it has happened 71 times where team passing yards has been 4500 or greater in a season (team passing accounts for sacks). There has been 77 player seasons in which a player has thrown for 4500+ yards. Only 33 quarterbacks in the history of the NFL have thrown for 4500+ yards in a season: https://stathead.com/tiny/sVGIc

[YoHoChecko]

Expectations may be a little too high if the expectation or goal is for this passing offense to rival the passing offenses of Aaron Rodgers at the height of his career. 4500 yards passing is a lot! In the history of the NFL it has happened 71 times where team passing yards has been 4500 or greater in a season (team passing accounts for sacks). There has been 77 player seasons in which a player has thrown for 4500+ yards. Only 33 quarterbacks in the history of the NFL have thrown for 4500+ yards in a season: https://stathead.com/tiny/sVGIc

If we throw for 4500 yards, we're more likely to be playing from behind more than we want than than to be a randomly explosive passing offense, given the specific makeup of this team and offense.

[Yoop]

Expectations may be a little too high if the expectation or goal is for this passing offense to rival the passing offenses of Aaron Rodgers at the height of his career. 4500 yards passing is a lot! In the history of the NFL it has happened 71 times where team passing yards has been 4500 or greater in a season (team passing accounts for sacks). There has been 77 player seasons in which a player has thrown for 4500+ yards. Only 33 quarterbacks in the history of the NFL have thrown for 4500+ yards in a season: https://stathead.com/tiny/sVGIc

there just hopeful expectations, and I think, just as we saw and what I often say, rookie receivers are more ready to play then people seem to think, of course there will be some growing pains, but watching from the bench sure doesn't speed up the process, Doubs played very well except for the drops, and the only thing to hold Watson back was recovery from surgery, Matt Lafleur will play the rookies and Reed and Wicks are already impressing him, why not think it's possible to have a 4000 yard season for Love, I was never that hard on 4500 yrds anyway, If Love was not ready to do that, specially with this vastly improved receiver situation( including TE's and RB's) Rodgers would still be our QB.

I hear all this talk about rebuilding, and it's mostly because we switched QB's, now I can't predict Loves ceiling, but imo he's starting off with a higher floor then Rodgers did in 08, at least when it comes to defense and probably OL, RB and possibly TE, as I said this receiver group though young has tons of talent, when ya consider that Love is a young chemistry builder just like Rodgers was some years back several of these receivers could produce at or near a grand, I see no reason not to think that of Watson, Doubs, or possibly Toure , and Reed or Wicks seem like high floor rookies.

last year Rodgers had another 4000 yrd season, giving him 10 for his career, and as 004 showed with the rout vid, we often shut Rodgers down after the 2nd or 3rd quarters because we had 3 and 4 score leads, if Rodgers had been a stat hound he could have been over 5000 yrds a few seasons and easily over 4500 yarders more, heck in 2018 he had about 4400 and we both know how dis functional that year was.

again, 5500 yrds total offense considering we have two 1000 yrd RB's should be a low ball figure.