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No... Audible is a completely separate thing. Option is during the play. Audible is before the snap changing the play based on defensive alignment, NOT what we are discussing here. Read option is during the play, read a player to determine whether to give or keep. RPO can be before the snap or after to determine whether to pass or give to the RB. RPO and Read Option are called plays.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 12:52ahhh, my sky is not blue, it's hazy and smells like smoke, and is hard to breath![]()
No, you guys just like to complicate stuff, it makes you sound smart
now he's saying these are all decided or designated plays, if a QB switches from a pass to a run or vice versa he is optioning out (audibling ) and Bart Starr did that plenty
when it seemed like every play-action pass the Eagles ran out of a shotgun formation was labeled an RPO.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 12:45Please take a minute to read this on the RPO: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/09/nfl-fa ... tion-guide
Sure it is an invented turn to describe an option play that can be a run by the RB or a pass. Run Pass Option is in no way misleading, it is in the name.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:04when it seemed like every play-action pass the Eagles ran out of a shotgun formation was labeled an RPO.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 12:45Please take a minute to read this on the RPO: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/09/nfl-fa ... tion-guide
Invented term, every time the safety drops into the linebacker box doesn't become a pass play, so this is mis leading to a degree , and yes I do see it happen.
no it's not, the Eagles are a great example of lining up in a pass formation then running, that it's termed RPO doesn't negate that it started in a Play action pre set.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 12:53Yikes,I don't know how much simpler it can be stated than "play action is always a pass". If we can't even get past that, then what's the point of further discussion? I mean, even the full name is "play action pass"; there is no "play action run".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play-action_pass
It's not about formation. It has little to do with formation. Play action can not be pre set. Play action is during the play.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:10no it's not, the Eagles are a great example of lining up in a pass formation then running, that it's termed RPO doesn't negate that it started in a Play action pre set.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 12:53Yikes,I don't know how much simpler it can be stated than "play action is always a pass". If we can't even get past that, then what's the point of further discussion? I mean, even the full name is "play action pass"; there is no "play action run".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play-action_pass
RPO is simply a designation to a QB option play, The Bears with Bobby Douglas did this 150 times one season and no one called it RPO they lined up to pass the ball but ran, and play action encompasses all of it
invented probably burns your earsPckfn23 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:07Sure it is an invented turn to describe an option play that can be a run by the RB or a pass. Run Pass Option is in no way misleading, it is in the name.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:04when it seemed like every play-action pass the Eagles ran out of a shotgun formation was labeled an RPO.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 12:45Please take a minute to read this on the RPO: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/09/nfl-fa ... tion-guide
Invented term, every time the safety drops into the linebacker box doesn't become a pass play, so this is mis leading to a degree , and yes I do see it happen.
The link was not a play action pass, it was run pass option. Notice the mesh. The very first play on the link was the run option in RPO.
having fun are you, your just twisting whatever I say? good byePckfn23 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:16It's not about formation. It has little to do with formation. Play action can not be pre set. Play action is during the play.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:10no it's not, the Eagles are a great example of lining up in a pass formation then running, that it's termed RPO doesn't negate that it started in a Play action pre set.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 12:53Yikes,I don't know how much simpler it can be stated than "play action is always a pass". If we can't even get past that, then what's the point of further discussion? I mean, even the full name is "play action pass"; there is no "play action run".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play-action_pass
RPO is simply a designation to a QB option play, The Bears with Bobby Douglas did this 150 times one season and no one called it RPO they lined up to pass the ball but ran, and play action encompasses all of it
The bears did not run RPO 150 times back then. Play action does not encompasses RPO. They are 2 separate plays. Again the formations is not relevant. RPO is done post snap.
Yes, Read Option and RPO are options. This does not include play action. Play action is not an option play.
,seriously Brandon everyone here can spot the safety dropping, and we don't always pass when he does so
no one has ever seen that.and we all can see when the QB ca't find a receiver and hands the ball to the RB,
No, we don't tern that play action and that is not RPO. RPO and Read Option is not the QB changing the play. It has never been the QB changing the play. They are called plays.That we term that read option it still is a form of PA, same with a RPO, the QB can change in or out of these plays and most fans would never even notice.
Not at all twisting anything. I am explaining the differences.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:25having fun are you, your just twisting whatever I say? good byePckfn23 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:16It's not about formation. It has little to do with formation. Play action can not be pre set. Play action is during the play.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:10
no it's not, the Eagles are a great example of lining up in a pass formation then running, that it's termed RPO doesn't negate that it started in a Play action pre set.
RPO is simply a designation to a QB option play, The Bears with Bobby Douglas did this 150 times one season and no one called it RPO they lined up to pass the ball but ran, and play action encompasses all of it
The bears did not run RPO 150 times back then. Play action does not encompasses RPO. They are 2 separate plays. Again the formations is not relevant. RPO is done post snap.
Sorry to be blunt, but you're wrong.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:10no it's not, the Eagles are a great example of lining up in a pass formation then running, that it's termed RPO doesn't negate that it started in a Play action pre set.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 12:53Yikes,I don't know how much simpler it can be stated than "play action is always a pass". If we can't even get past that, then what's the point of further discussion? I mean, even the full name is "play action pass"; there is no "play action run".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play-action_pass
RPO is simply a designation to a QB option play, The Bears with Bobby Douglas did this 150 times one season and no one called it RPO they lined up to pass the ball but ran, and play action encompasses all of it
to be blunt, it just doesn't play out that way, the RB in play action has to sell the run, that is his job first, then it's blocking or fading out for a dump off, prior to all this he still has to pay attention for the QB signal that he might be given the ball, and you can be sure that signal wont be the QB saying read option or RPO,Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:33Sorry to be blunt, but you're wrong.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:10no it's not, the Eagles are a great example of lining up in a pass formation then running, that it's termed RPO doesn't negate that it started in a Play action pre set.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 12:53Yikes,I don't know how much simpler it can be stated than "play action is always a pass". If we can't even get past that, then what's the point of further discussion? I mean, even the full name is "play action pass"; there is no "play action run".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play-action_pass
RPO is simply a designation to a QB option play, The Bears with Bobby Douglas did this 150 times one season and no one called it RPO they lined up to pass the ball but ran, and play action encompasses all of it
Imagine the QB calls for a play-action in the huddle, and he makes no audible at the line. What happens if he tries to hand off? Oops, fumble, the RB wasn't expecting it because play-action is always a pass.
RPO is different, the RB has to be ready for a hand off, and the line has to block differently. Due to the blocking, if the QB holds the ball too long and then throws, he'll probably get an "illegal blocker downfield" penalty.
No, no, no, the RB can't be given the ball on a play-action. The "action" in play-action is the fake hand off. If the QB actually lets go of the ball, it's a mistake, a broken play.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 14:14to be blunt, it just doesn't play out that way, the RB in play action has to sell the run, that is his job first, then it's blocking or fading out for a dump off, prior to all this he still has to pay attention for the QB signal that he might be given the ball...Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:33Sorry to be blunt, but you're wrong.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:10
no it's not, the Eagles are a great example of lining up in a pass formation then running, that it's termed RPO doesn't negate that it started in a Play action pre set.
RPO is simply a designation to a QB option play, The Bears with Bobby Douglas did this 150 times one season and no one called it RPO they lined up to pass the ball but ran, and play action encompasses all of it
Imagine the QB calls for a play-action in the huddle, and he makes no audible at the line. What happens if he tries to hand off? Oops, fumble, the RB wasn't expecting it because play-action is always a pass.
RPO is different, the RB has to be ready for a hand off, and the line has to block differently. Due to the blocking, if the QB holds the ball too long and then throws, he'll probably get an "illegal blocker downfield" penalty.
I think you are under the impression that RPO and Read Option are audibles or some kind of check. They are not. They are called plays. The QB could audible to them. In short, they do work as crazy said.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 14:14to be blunt, it just doesn't play out that way, the RB in play action has to sell the run, that is his job first, then it's blocking or fading out for a dump off, prior to all this he still has to pay attention for the QB signal that he might be given the ball, and you can be sure that signal wont be the QB saying read option or RPO,Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:33Sorry to be blunt, but you're wrong.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:10
no it's not, the Eagles are a great example of lining up in a pass formation then running, that it's termed RPO doesn't negate that it started in a Play action pre set.
RPO is simply a designation to a QB option play, The Bears with Bobby Douglas did this 150 times one season and no one called it RPO they lined up to pass the ball but ran, and play action encompasses all of it
Imagine the QB calls for a play-action in the huddle, and he makes no audible at the line. What happens if he tries to hand off? Oops, fumble, the RB wasn't expecting it because play-action is always a pass.
RPO is different, the RB has to be ready for a hand off, and the line has to block differently. Due to the blocking, if the QB holds the ball too long and then throws, he'll probably get an "illegal blocker downfield" penalty.
It's not a a convoluted argument, 6ou are simply misunderstanding what is being talked about. It does happen, and it is ok, but maybe read what was brought to help bone up on the terminology. The read option and RPO is not some hint the QB gives or whatnot. These are names to plays that have been around for a while, but they are what they are, not something else or a name for something else. Hell, the wishbone is 70 years old and it is predicated on the read option.this has turned into the most convoluted argument about terminology ever, the QB will get a called play, in the huddle he will explain some alternatives, instead of saying be ready to run to the RB now he says RPO or read option I suppoose, basically there names donated to stuff thats always been done
Trip no's, waaaaaaha, PLay action has been around forever, RO and RPO for a little overt a decadeCrazylegs Starks wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 14:54No, no, no, the RB can't be given the ball on a play-action. The "action" in play-action is the fake hand off. If the QB actually lets go of the ball, it's a mistake, a broken play.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 14:14to be blunt, it just doesn't play out that way, the RB in play action has to sell the run, that is his job first, then it's blocking or fading out for a dump off, prior to all this he still has to pay attention for the QB signal that he might be given the ball...Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:33
Sorry to be blunt, but you're wrong.
Imagine the QB calls for a play-action in the huddle, and he makes no audible at the line. What happens if he tries to hand off? Oops, fumble, the RB wasn't expecting it because play-action is always a pass.
RPO is different, the RB has to be ready for a hand off, and the line has to block differently. Due to the blocking, if the QB holds the ball too long and then throws, he'll probably get an "illegal blocker downfield" penalty.
Sometimes you two bicker and it’s nitpicky BS. His first three sentences are non-debatable, 100% fact.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:25having fun are you, your just twisting whatever I say? good byePckfn23 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:16It's not about formation. It has little to do with formation. Play action can not be pre set. Play action is during the play.Yoop wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023 13:10
no it's not, the Eagles are a great example of lining up in a pass formation then running, that it's termed RPO doesn't negate that it started in a Play action pre set.
RPO is simply a designation to a QB option play, The Bears with Bobby Douglas did this 150 times one season and no one called it RPO they lined up to pass the ball but ran, and play action encompasses all of it
The bears did not run RPO 150 times back then. Play action does not encompasses RPO. They are 2 separate plays. Again the formations is not relevant. RPO is done post snap.
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