Packers - Seahawks Preseason Game

[YoHoChecko]

It’s weird to me gore in each preseason game fans pick one incomplete pass to hyper-fixate on in post game discussion.

Yup. Under-thrown bad ball that Watson could have won in a contested situation. We all saw it. It was an incomplete pass.

[Cdragon]

It’s weird to me gore in each preseason game fans pick one incomplete pass to hyper-fixate on in post game discussion.

Yup. Under-thrown bad ball that Watson could have won in a contested situation. We all saw it. It was an incomplete pass.

Got hung up in the wind, learning moment.

[BSA]

This is the part I disagree with. The DB made a great play punching that ball out. All else equal no receiver is coming down with that, I don't care who they are. I wouldn't attribute that as a drop. There is just no way to come down with that ball.

First off, thanks for mentioning the punch out, I missed that on initial viewing. The NFL network had a replay yesterday so I went back and watched it again and the TV copy has a slo-mo of the action (about 20 seconds left in Q1).

I think the sequence was: under-thrown ball, Watson adjusts. Ball hits Watson in both hands and bounces out, then the punch occurs preventing Watson from re-catching the bobble. A clean catch gives him more time to secure that pass before the DB arrives. DB still might have punched it out, but I think the Watson bobble was a key component of the incompletion sequence.

[Pckfn23]

This is the part I disagree with. The DB made a great play punching that ball out. All else equal no receiver is coming down with that, I don't care who they are. I wouldn't attribute that as a drop. There is just no way to come down with that ball.

First off, thanks for mentioning the punch out, I missed that on initial viewing. The NFL network had a replay yesterday so I went back and watched it again and the TV copy has a slo-mo of the action (about 20 seconds left in Q1).

I think the sequence was: under-thrown ball, Watson adjusts. Ball hits Watson in both hands and bounces out, then the punch occurs preventing Watson from re-catching the bobble. A clean catch gives him more time to secure that pass before the DB arrives. DB still might have punched it out, but I think the Watson bobble was a key component of the incompletion sequence.

If a bobble, I can't really tell with poor video quality, then the onus much more on Watson. Thanks for bringing that up.

[Yoop]

This is the part I disagree with. The DB made a great play punching that ball out. All else equal no receiver is coming down with that, I don't care who they are. I wouldn't attribute that as a drop. There is just no way to come down with that ball.

First off, thanks for mentioning the punch out, I missed that on initial viewing. The NFL network had a replay yesterday so I went back and watched it again and the TV copy has a slo-mo of the action (about 20 seconds left in Q1).

I think the sequence was: under-thrown ball, Watson adjusts. Ball hits Watson in both hands and bounces out, then the punch occurs preventing Watson from re-catching the bobble. A clean catch gives him more time to secure that pass before the DB arrives. DB still might have punched it out, but I think the Watson bobble was a key component of the incompletion sequence.

If a bobble, I can't really tell with poor video quality, then the onus much more on Watson. Thanks for bringing that up.

so then your backing down from the stance that no receiver could have ever caught that pass? cause I remember you being pretty adamant about that.

[BSA]

so then your backing down from the stance that no receiver could have ever caught that pass? cause I remember you being pretty adamant about that.

We all have the capacity to change our minds when new information is presented.
Its not a fault, but rather a favorable trait. That's why your jab at pckfn23 above is both unneccessary and unproductive
We're all learning together - and we may still get more new info on that play going forward. I could be wrong about the bobble/punch sequence


I am not concerned with being consistent in what I say
I am concerned with being consistent with The Truth as its revealed to me

- gandhi

[Yoop]

so then your backing down from the stance that no receiver could have ever caught that pass? cause I remember you being pretty adamant about that.

We all have the capacity to change our minds when new information is presented.
Its not a fault, but rather a favorable trait. That's why your jab at pckfn23 above is both unneccessary and unproductive
We're all learning together - and we may still get more new info on that play going forward. I could be wrong about the bobble/punch sequence


I am not concerned with being consistent in what I say
I am concerned with being consistent with The Truth as its revealed to me

- gandhi

the view I saw from the game clearly showed that Watson bobbled the pass prior to the DB's arm going in, for me it was simply a tough catch do to the under thrown pass.

probably should never have been thrown, against the wind, it was iffy to say the least, my first thought at the time was that it would have been a great catch, and that Watson needs to hold onto them.

[BF004]

It’s weird to me gore in each preseason game fans pick one incomplete pass to hyper-fixate on in post game discussion.

Yup. Under-thrown bad ball that Watson could have won in a contested situation. We all saw it. It was an incomplete pass.

It was our new QB throwing a bomb to our expected #1 WR. Probably one of, if not the most, relevant plays to pick apart. If it isn't the TD to Watson, this is the next biggest play.

I don't think it's weird at all to break this play down in depth.

I kind of don't care that much about a McGough throwing a pass to Jadakis Bonds in the grand scheme of things.

[Scott4Pack]

This is the part I disagree with. The DB made a great play punching that ball out. All else equal no receiver is coming down with that, I don't care who they are. I wouldn't attribute that as a drop. There is just no way to come down with that ball.

Rack that one up to differing opinions. I also feel that Watson could’ve held on. He had his hands on the ball first. Yeah, it was a good punch by the DB. But a WR with strong hands secures that more than half the time.

Just ask Watson if you can. I’m sure he would say that he should’ve caught it.

So you think all it would take is strong hands? I don't think you realize how impossible it would be to maintain control when a DB is punching up with all their weight and speed. There isn't a receiver ever born that has hands that strong.

Are you saying that you “never” see that?

Again, there are some good, strong WRs who make that catch. Even some have learned how to snatch the ball (once it’s in their grasp) away from the defender before the punch. Tae Adams does that regularly.

[Pckfn23]

Rack that one up to differing opinions. I also feel that Watson could’ve held on. He had his hands on the ball first. Yeah, it was a good punch by the DB. But a WR with strong hands secures that more than half the time.

Just ask Watson if you can. I’m sure he would say that he should’ve caught it.

So you think all it would take is strong hands? I don't think you realize how impossible it would be to maintain control when a DB is punching up with all their weight and speed. There isn't a receiver ever born that has hands that strong.

Are you saying that you “never” see that?

Again, there are some good, strong WRs who make that catch. Even some have learned how to snatch the ball (once it’s in their grasp) away from the defender before the punch. Tae Adams does that regularly.

I didn't see the bobble on my poor video quality, so retract my statement.

[BSA]

One cool moment from the Seahawks game was watching TJ Slaton in his # 93 jersey imitating the Grave Digger with his post-play celebration

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPacker ... lebration/

[paco]

One cool moment from the Seahawks game was watching TJ Slaton in his # 93 jersey imitating the Grave Digger with his post-play celebration

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPacker ... lebration/

Should be a film session for every new Packers player to study all the classic celebrations.

[YoHoChecko]

It’s weird to me gore in each preseason game fans pick one incomplete pass to hyper-fixate on in post game discussion.

Yup. Under-thrown bad ball that Watson could have won in a contested situation. We all saw it. It was an incomplete pass.

It was our new QB throwing a bomb to our expected #1 WR. Probably one of, if not the most, relevant plays to pick apart. If it isn't the TD to Watson, this is the next biggest play.

I don't think it's weird at all to break this play down in depth.

I kind of don't care that much about a McGough throwing a pass to Jadakis Bonds in the grand scheme of things.

Oh sure; if we're going to pick a single play and meticulously go through frame-by-frame and assess percentages of blame and fault to each person involved in the play, this is definitely the play to do it.

I guess it has me feeling a little pessimistic about whether the Packers fanbase as a whole is really prepared to live a season of football with a QB who sometimes makes bad throws and a WR1 who sometimes drops the ball like virtually every other team for all of football time has experienced.

We have lost two elite players over the past two years at the position and we have a very limited sample size to gauge what comes next and it feels like we're tying to extrapolate way too much from individual plays more so than a wholistic evaluation. Maybe that's me mis-reading what's going on, certainly. But We had a QB play 3 possessions and lead a FG and a TD drive. And we have like three pages discussing an underthrown drop.

I just find the individual-play (and failed play, at that) focus that seems to be a trend a little strange and a little offputting for what it portends for this season, where everyone seems to understand there will be ups and downs and highs and lows--but in practice those mistakes/downs/lows are really occupying a huge bulk of the brain space of the fanbase. Gonna make for a long season, perhaps. Or maybe it calms down when the sample size gets longer.

[TheSkeptic]

That gravedigger play is broken down with about a minute of video in the Youtube vid that I posted earlier in this thread, as opposed to 10 seconds in Twitter. It was really a great play by TJ, and not because of the celebration.

However there was also a bad play in the line and you all might want to watch that entire video to find out who is the weak link in the Dline.

Page 6, watch it,

[YoHoChecko]

That gravedigger play is broken down with about a minute of video in the Youtube vid that I posted earlier in this thread, as opposed to 10 seconds in Twitter. It was really a great play by TJ, and not because of the celebration.

However there was also a bad play in the line and you all might want to watch that entire video to find out who is the weak link in the Dline.

Page 6, watch it,

Did you just give us a homework assignment to go back a page, go to a 22-minute video and find out who the "weak link" is on defense instead of telling us what you learned and giving us a timestamp like you did the TJ Slaton play?

I mean, I'm gonna do it, because I'm interested in the video and glad you re-mentioned it. But still kind of a funny approach

[BF004]

That gravedigger play is broken down with about a minute of video in the Youtube vid that I posted earlier in this thread, as opposed to 10 seconds in Twitter. It was really a great play by TJ, and not because of the celebration.

However there was also a bad play in the line and you all might want to watch that entire video to find out who is the weak link in the Dline.

Page 6, watch it,

Did you just give us a homework assignment to go back a page, go to a 22-minute video and find out who the "weak link" is on defense instead of telling us what you learned and giving us a timestamp like you did the TJ Slaton play?

I mean, I'm gonna do it, because I'm interested in the video and glad you re-mentioned it. But still kind of a funny approach

All same here.

I’m guessing you are meaning Davante Wyatt because he wasn’t in on the tackle on the sweep left when lined up at DE on the other side.

Are you the guy who hates Wyatt and already concluded he’s a bust and you are looking for evidence to support the conclusion?

[Cdragon]

It’s weird to me gore in each preseason game fans pick one incomplete pass to hyper-fixate on in post game discussion.

Yup. Under-thrown bad ball that Watson could have won in a contested situation. We all saw it. It was an incomplete pass.

It was our new QB throwing a bomb to our expected #1 WR. Probably one of, if not the most, relevant plays to pick apart. If it isn't the TD to Watson, this is the next biggest play.

I don't think it's weird at all to break this play down in depth.

I kind of don't care that much about a McGough throwing a pass to Jadakis Bonds in the grand scheme of things.

Oh sure; if we're going to pick a single play and meticulously go through frame-by-frame and assess percentages of blame and fault to each person involved in the play, this is definitely the play to do it.

I guess it has me feeling a little pessimistic about whether the Packers fanbase as a whole is really prepared to live a season of football with a QB who sometimes makes bad throws and a WR1 who sometimes drops the ball like virtually every other team for all of football time has experienced.

We have lost two elite players over the past two years at the position and we have a very limited sample size to gauge what comes next and it feels like we're tying to extrapolate way too much from individual plays more so than a wholistic evaluation. Maybe that's me mis-reading what's going on, certainly. But We had a QB play 3 possessions and lead a FG and a TD drive. And we have like three pages discussing an underthrown drop.

I just find the individual-play (and failed play, at that) focus that seems to be a trend a little strange and a little offputting for what it portends for this season, where everyone seems to understand there will be ups and downs and highs and lows--but in practice those mistakes/downs/lows are really occupying a huge bulk of the brain space of the fanbase. Gonna make for a long season, perhaps. Or maybe it calms down when the sample size gets longer.

He's not AR or Favre. He's got an NFL arm. He's making good decisions so far. One of the reasons this play gets highlighted is because it was mentioned they've been working on the deep ball. Just like early in AR's career when people found out he was working on the skinny post it became a talking point.

As for the fanbase it will come down to what Love actually does on the field. Unlike AR when parents would send their 5 year old kids to go up to him and swear at him before the season started.

Yeah he's going to have bad days, bad plays, whatever, but I think the O and the team is built to survive a bad game and still come out on top.

[TheSkeptic]

That gravedigger play is broken down with about a minute of video in the Youtube vid that I posted earlier in this thread, as opposed to 10 seconds in Twitter. It was really a great play by TJ, and not because of the celebration.

However there was also a bad play in the line and you all might want to watch that entire video to find out who is the weak link in the Dline.

Page 6, watch it,

Did you just give us a homework assignment to go back a page, go to a 22-minute video and find out who the "weak link" is on defense instead of telling us what you learned and giving us a timestamp like you did the TJ Slaton play?

I mean, I'm gonna do it, because I'm interested in the video and glad you re-mentioned it. But still kind of a funny approach

I wasn't considering you, I know that you do your homework without any hints from me.

But not everyone does.

As for Wyatt, I praised him a few days ago and I was surprised that this video panned him.

[YoHoChecko]

As for Wyatt, I praised him a few days ago and I was surprised that this video panned him.

I think Andy Herman has been similarly concerned about his progress (well, lack of progress) this pre-season, if I remember correctly. Seems like our DL is going to be an emerging strength, but man it'd be so much better if Wyatt played to his potential.

[go pak go]

One cool moment from the Seahawks game was watching TJ Slaton in his # 93 jersey imitating the Grave Digger with his post-play celebration

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPacker ... lebration/

Should be a film session for every new Packers player to study all the classic celebrations.

Seriously. Gilbert Brown looks so, so, so huge. Like Gilbert Brown makes TJ Slaton, who is HUGE, look tiny. Is it the padding? Is it just how unathletic Brown looks?

How does such an icon look like a non-icon in pads? I freaking love Gilbert Brown.