Do we have a bad, good, or great roster in 2023?

[BSA]

If ya look at the last 10 years or so we have made some serious roster changes, the most obvious being a new QB, and a complete retooling at the WR and TE positions, but thats about it

Since MLF arrived in 2019.....86 % of the roster has turned over, including the HOF QB.
Of course packerfans can call it whatever word they prefer, but those are the facts, Jack.

[Yoop]

If ya look at the last 10 years or so we have made some serious roster changes, the most obvious being a new QB, and a complete retooling at the WR and TE positions, but thats about it

Since MLF arrived in 2019.....86 % of the roster has turned over, including the HOF QB.
Of course packerfans can call it whatever word they prefer, but those are the facts, Jack.

OK then, so in 5 drafts we over hauled 86% of the team, not sure how that compares around the league, but when ya consider how short a nfl career is it doesn't seem extremely abnormal, the reason so many consider this a rebuild year is because of Love in place of Rodgers, and the youth at WR, everything else to me is normal player replacement.

we've needed to get faster for ages, and I don't mean straight line burners like MVS, seriously, how long have we all felt the need for Reed, or even Doubs who also shows agility in traffic, not to mention a big and fast Watson, or a TE in the mold of Musgrave, these players have been on my short list for eons.

the mention of rebuild says we shouldn't expect much, to me thats a ready made excuse for failure, I have more faith then that.

[Scott4Pack]

I think this is a good place on the thread to point to what Guty said this morning. He said something to the effect that we’ve made the roster more athletic and faster.

When I read that, my first thought was, “Okay, so we are NOT in a rebuild. Right?” I’m gonna need to think of a new word for the transition that just happened this year. If it isn’t a rebuild and isn’t a retool, then what kind of “re_____” is it?

Hahaha

A re-evaluation? A re-speedening?

I have to confess that I like “re-speedening” a lot. It’s like inventing a new word and that is one of my fave things!

[Scott4Pack]

If ya look at the last 10 years or so we have made some serious roster changes, the most obvious being a new QB, and a complete retooling at the WR and TE positions, but thats about it

Since MLF arrived in 2019.....86 % of the roster has turned over, including the HOF QB.
Of course packerfans can call it whatever word they prefer, but those are the facts, Jack.

OK then, so in 5 drafts we over hauled 86% of the team, not sure how that compares around the league, but when ya consider how short a nfl career is it doesn't seem extremely abnormal, the reason so many consider this a rebuild year is because of Love in place of Rodgers, and the youth at WR, everything else to me is normal player replacement.

I think we have to consider how many players would be “core” players. On a roster of 53, that would surely make less than 10 of them “core” guys. I’d venture to guess that maybe, in ideal conditions, having 3 on offense, 3 on defense, and a couple of ST…?

Currently, on our offense: Love, Bahk, Jones?
Currently, on defense: Clark, Campbell, Jaire? Maybe Preston too.
On ST: Nixon and maybe one other.

That would be 8 “core” players, for example. So, 86% might not be overdone. That said, look at the numbers of our YOUTH. To me, that speaks more about rebuild than anything. How many guys from 2023 and 2022 have come in? Maybe we won’t see anything like this again for a generation.

[YoHoChecko]

I agree that discussing percentage of roster turnover in a 4-5 year span has no impact or bearing on any opinion or discourse without comparisons and context throughout the league. What is normal roster turnover? What is normal roster turnover with new head coaches or new GMs? What is normal roster turnover with new QBs?

86% since 2019 tells me nothing.

[APB]

I think this is a good place on the thread to point to what Guty said this morning. He said something to the effect that we’ve made the roster more athletic and faster.

When I read that, my first thought was, “Okay, so we are NOT in a rebuild. Right?” I’m gonna need to think of a new word for the transition that just happened this year. If it isn’t a rebuild and isn’t a retool, then what kind of “re_____” is it?

Hahaha

A re-evaluation? A re-speedening?

I have to confess that I like “re-speedening” a lot. It’s like inventing a new word and that is one of my fave things!

You must absolutely love [mention]Yoop[/mention]'s posts then...

[TheSkeptic]

Since MLF arrived in 2019.....86 % of the roster has turned over, including the HOF QB.
Of course packerfans can call it whatever word they prefer, but those are the facts, Jack.

OK then, so in 5 drafts we over hauled 86% of the team, not sure how that compares around the league, but when ya consider how short a nfl career is it doesn't seem extremely abnormal, the reason so many consider this a rebuild year is because of Love in place of Rodgers, and the youth at WR, everything else to me is normal player replacement.

I think we have to consider how many players would be “core” players. On a roster of 53, that would surely make less than 10 of them “core” guys. I’d venture to guess that maybe, in ideal conditions, having 3 on offense, 3 on defense, and a couple of ST…?

Currently, on our offense: Love, Bahk, Jones?
Currently, on defense: Clark, Campbell, Jaire? Maybe Preston too.
On ST: Nixon and maybe one other.

That would be 8 “core” players, for example. So, 86% might not be overdone. That said, look at the numbers of our YOUTH. To me, that speaks more about rebuild than anything. How many guys from 2023 and 2022 have come in? Maybe we won’t see anything like this again for a generation.

Tough to say that Bakh is a core player if this is his last year and tough to believe that he will finish most of the games.
Hard to believe that Preston will be here a year from now with Gary and Van Ness as probable starters next year and maybe even before December of this year.
IMO, Walker is a core player, he changes how the O works.

[Yoop]

Since MLF arrived in 2019.....86 % of the roster has turned over, including the HOF QB.
Of course packerfans can call it whatever word they prefer, but those are the facts, Jack.

OK then, so in 5 drafts we over hauled 86% of the team, not sure how that compares around the league, but when ya consider how short a nfl career is it doesn't seem extremely abnormal, the reason so many consider this a rebuild year is because of Love in place of Rodgers, and the youth at WR, everything else to me is normal player replacement.

I think we have to consider how many players would be “core” players. On a roster of 53, that would surely make less than 10 of them “core” guys. I’d venture to guess that maybe, in ideal conditions, having 3 on offense, 3 on defense, and a couple of ST…?

Currently, on our offense: Love, Bahk, Jones?
Currently, on defense: Clark, Campbell, Jaire? Maybe Preston too.
On ST: Nixon and maybe one other.

That would be 8 “core” players, for example. So, 86% might not be overdone. That said, look at the numbers of our YOUTH. To me, that speaks more about rebuild than anything. How many guys from 2023 and 2022 have come in? Maybe we won’t see anything like this again for a generation.

your losing me, Bakh and Jones where Thompson draft picks, so they where on board prior to Gutekunst, and I'd add Jenkins and Douglas to your list, and if you consider Love a core Player then you have to add others that are kusping such as Watson, Gary, Walker, Wyatt, or even Doubs, Reed and Musgrave appear ready to be in that group as well.

most on this list are normal player acqusitions every team acquires in the draft process, Wolf always said if ya get 2 or 3 starter players per draft ya did well, imo Guty has done well, even though I question some selections.

[BSA]

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Savage

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/0 ... formance/

With 4.36 speed, Savage has playmaking ability, and we’ve seen it here and there throughout his career. However, as Joe Barry discussed earlier this offseason, what he is really searching for right now at this position, in particular, is consistency—something that was very much missing last season.

Consistency begins with Savage trusting himself and what he’s seeing. It also includes communicating effectively with the rest of the secondary pre-snap, being a sound tacker, and positioned correctly based on the defensive call. If Savage can do those aspects correctly, and do so consistently, then he’s going to be in a better position more often to make those splash plays we know he is capable of.

“I think Darnell is best when he pulls the trigger and let’s it all hang out,” said defensive backs coach Ryan Downard. “I’ve had that talk with him. If you watch his Maryland tape, he was going to get it. He’s got to trust himself.

[BSA]

More on the new rookie TE Ben Sims from PackersWire

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includes some cut-ups from preseason