2023 Packers Defense Expectations?

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RingoCStarrQB wrote:
26 Sep 2023 13:07
This rendition of the defense far eclipses the defense that contributed to the loss to the Lions that I witnessed last January. Plus now we have multiple viable receiving weapons compared to 2022. And finally the drama king is gone....finally freakin effen gone. Lions fans will be out in full force......but nonetheless the Packers will emerge ruling the North.
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Take a look at the real differences between our D this year and last.
1. Gary might actually be better than last year. We'll know more when he isn't on a snap count. But now it is crazy how much pressure he is wrecking on QBs.
2. Will LVN start to show up? He's shown flashes thus far, but he also is on limited snaps. He could have a coming out game at some point this season. Would be sweet if it's sooner, than later.
3. Safety. Savage is showing flashes. At the least, he is showing some motivation. What our other safeties lack in talent, they might almost make up in speed and motivation.
4. Our DLine is built more against the pass. Wooden and Brooks need to hold up more against the run. But they are young and learning.
5. Walker. He is arguably doing better than last year. If he is steady and occasionally gets a turnover, he'll be a marked improvement.
6. If we can stop the run this year, that'll be a lot better than last year.
7. Field position. I'm thinking that our Offense is giving the D a better field position than last year. Will see about the data. But it seems they are winning the battle there more than 2022.

All of this might end up meaning very little. But the D needs to prove they are better. And our O needs to become consistent. If we can do a little of both, we can win on Thursday night. But we'll need both.
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Another 200+ rushing given up tonight.

There were no injuries and 4 1st round picks playing DT & Edge.

I'd fire Joe Barry tomorrow with just 1 game over trhe next 23 days.

Dead serious.

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LombardiTime wrote:
28 Sep 2023 22:16
Another 200+ rushing given up tonight.

There were no injuries and 4 1st round picks playing DT & Edge.

I'd fire Joe Barry tomorrow with just 1 game over trhe next 23 days.

Dead serious.
I loved how the Lions defense brought it tonight. SO AGGRESSIVE. Single gapped the &%$@ out of us and rushed hard WHILE taking away the first read.
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I think teams have all got the memo to simply send 11 (1RB 1 TE) personnel on the field and Barry will counter with light fronts (2 DL) and then the offense run roughshod over them. It’s been happening 3 years now and Barry simply refuses to change. He makes it easy for the opponent to dictate terms for attacking.

Yeah, Montgomery’s ypc was under 4.0 (3.8 I think) but they couldn’t stop him when they needed to.

Wash.
Rinse.
Repeat.

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Well I’ll be damned…



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APB wrote:
28 Sep 2023 23:04
Well I’ll be damned…


Didn't MLF say this after the 2019 NFC Championship game loss to the 49ers?

Did someone force MLF to hire 2-time loser Joe Barry to coordinate the defense?

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This happens every year. MLF leaves Barry to his own devices, then we see the D is a mess, MLF then publicly calls him out, and then Barry makes adjustments with an unknown amount of direct involvement from MLF, improving the defense to average with occasional flash plays, doing enough to save Barry's job.
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LombardiTime wrote:
28 Sep 2023 22:16
Another 200+ rushing given up tonight.

There were no injuries and 4 1st round picks playing DT & Edge.

I'd fire Joe Barry tomorrow with just 1 game over trhe next 23 days.

Dead serious.
Lafleur should have fired him at the bye game last year, I'll repeat, Lafleur will keep Barry till there both fired

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No adjustment to motion means our numbers are wrong on defense. Just bad scheme...
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One of life's great mysteries...



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APB wrote:
28 Sep 2023 23:04
Well I’ll be damned…


He's right. But didn't he say that last year in the first half of the season too? I'm not about letting them figure this out and adjust midway through the season. That's what they did last year. They waited half the year to figure out better stuff.

What they should do is see how they can emulate what the Lions just did to them and make that work for the current roster as much as possible. The Lions DLine isn't all that special if you don't include the edge guys. They just know what they do well and do that.
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APB wrote:
29 Sep 2023 11:18
One of life's great mysteries...


I basically came to the same conclusion, that it is an organization-wide problem, last season when i foolishly predicted Green Bay would have a top 10 defense for the first time since 2010 (based upon what I thought was a unit too talented to rank lower than that).

The Defense was soft and failed to stop the run under Capers after 2010 and under Pettine and now under Barry and with Mac as the Head Coach and now with MLF as the Head Coach even though every single first-round pick since 2012 other than Jordan Love has gone to the defensive side of the ball.

I think it might be time to consider whether at least part of the problem stems from those who scout, evaluate, and select defensive players because some of those folks have been in place since 2011 and it is not getting any better.

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LombardiTime wrote:
29 Sep 2023 11:34
APB wrote:
29 Sep 2023 11:18
One of life's great mysteries...


I basically came to the same conclusion, that it is an organization-wide problem, last season when i foolishly predicted Green Bay would have a top 10 defense for the first time since 2010 (based upon what I thought was a unit too talented to rank lower than that).

The Defense was soft and failed to stop the run under Capers after 2010 and under Pettine and now under Barry and with Mac as the Head Coach and now with MLF as the Head Coach even though every single first-round pick since 2012 other than Jordan Love has gone to the defensive side of the ball.

I think it might be time to consider whether at least part of the problem stems from those who scout, evaluate, and select defensive players because some of those folks have been in place since 2011 and it is not getting any better.
Jerry Montgomery, DL/run game coordinator since 2014, his claim to fame is that he was a DL coach under Bob Stoops for 2 seasons at Oklahoma, so he's been here under all 3 DC's where talking about, true the cords design the schemes, but how much has he helped.

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LombardiTime wrote:
29 Sep 2023 11:34
APB wrote:
29 Sep 2023 11:18
One of life's great mysteries...


I basically came to the same conclusion, that it is an organization-wide problem, last season when i foolishly predicted Green Bay would have a top 10 defense for the first time since 2010 (based upon what I thought was a unit too talented to rank lower than that).

The Defense was soft and failed to stop the run under Capers after 2010 and under Pettine and now under Barry and with Mac as the Head Coach and now with MLF as the Head Coach even though every single first-round pick since 2012 other than Jordan Love has gone to the defensive side of the ball.

I think it might be time to consider whether at least part of the problem stems from those who scout, evaluate, and select defensive players because some of those folks have been in place since 2011 and it is not getting any better.
Quay has absolutley no chance to stop that despite his good effort. Ford was flat footed and should have read it and committed way earlier. That said, without a DE or OLB in that gap, it was destined to be a TD.
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he's not blaming Walker per se, he's blaming the off balanced DL, all the beef was left of center

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Scott4Pack wrote:
29 Sep 2023 11:21
APB wrote:
28 Sep 2023 23:04
Well I’ll be damned…


He's right. But didn't he say that last year in the first half of the season too? I'm not about letting them figure this out and adjust midway through the season. That's what they did last year. They waited half the year to figure out better stuff.

What they should do is see how they can emulate what the Lions just did to them and make that work for the current roster as much as possible. The Lions DLine isn't all that special if you don't include the edge guys. They just know what they do well and do that.
The crazy part is Barry seems to revert back to the same stuff that didn't work the prior year to begin each new year. You know, the bad scheme and alignment stuff that he was forced to abandon to save his job is what he goes right back to the next year. He's done it 3 years running now.

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Don’t blame Joe. He is who he always has been.
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We’re the only ones dumb enough to keep him for a third year.
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Another example…



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I feel like the record player has been set to repeat…



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