Your Morning Coffee Rodgers Discussion

[Yoop]

And yes, we have been very spoiled

No kidding
The MM Packers were loaded at WR and they won their match-ups by being better than the opponents' CBs 1-5.
Our # 3 / 4 WR was better than their # 3 /4 CB for example

The MLF Packers win more with scheme, play design and play action so they don't necessarily NEED to be better 1-5.
(It surely helps !) But this offense/scheme isn't as match-up dependent as the loaded WR rooms of the past. I'd also note that many teams will use their # 2 CB + Safety help when doubling Watson or other # 1 WRs; so Doubs and Reed might have to beat the #1 CB and that's a stiff test for a young WR. Accruing 680 yds vs # 1 CBs is nothing to sneeze at.

true, but doesn't matter how it's schemed the receiver still has to win, and other then Adams our other receivers where rarely open, game after game we here the announcers say no one was open, and we know that because Rodgers took plenty of coverage sacks, besides Adams the receivers Rodgers had to work with since 2016 where basically #3 or 4 level talent.

[musclestang]

He threw to Dobbs a lot

And publicly called to "cut reps" from him (did not specifically name him, but it was obvious in-context that he was referring to Doubs).

That was one of the stupidest things I have ever heard him say. And then throw to who, Aaron? Sammy Watkins?? Jeff Cotton???

I remember him publicly, calling out Dobbs in a positive manner last year.

I think he was calling to cut the reps of guys like Sammy Watkins, who is not doing what he was supposed to do I’m pretty much every play it seem like even to my untrained

[Yoop]

He threw to Dobbs a lot

And publicly called to "cut reps" from him (did not specifically name him, but it was obvious in-context that he was referring to Doubs).

That was one of the stupidest things I have ever heard him say. And then throw to who, Aaron? Sammy Watkins?? Jeff Cotton???

so if a receiver runs the wrong routes and drops everything you throw to him a sit down is to harsh, Rodgers cares, a concept that must be foreign to you.

[Labrev]

so if a receiver runs the wrong routes and drops everything you throw to him a sit down is to harsh, Rodgers cares, a concept that must be foreign to you.

Okay, so now you are proving my point. You said Rodgers would sacrifice chemistry/trust for better talent, and that when Rodgers says otherwise unprompted, that he is not to be believed.

I am bringing up his own words where he wanted to decrease Doubs's role in a year when all his other WRs were 'pond scum' in your words.

So if we are cutting reps for Doubs, we are taking reps away from a guy with talent in a year where all the other WRs were JAGs, and giving it to.... guys whom he trusts more. I.E. the thing you were denying.


So which claim were you wrong about, that Rodgers actually does value talent over trust/chemistry, or that Rodgers is right to want to cut reps for the only WR with above-average talent in a year when all the others were JAGs?

[Pckfn23]

I want a offense with 2 receivers that go over a 1000 yrds, in fact I expect that every season, that use to be normal.

In the 2000s it has happened 85 times out of a possible 734, 11.6% of the time(WR, TE, RB included in 1000 yard seasons). It never used to be normal and your expectations are off.

[Yoop]

so if a receiver runs the wrong routes and drops everything you throw to him a sit down is to harsh, Rodgers cares, a concept that must be foreign to you.

Okay, so now you are proving my point. You said Rodgers would sacrifice chemistry/trust for better talent, and that when Rodgers says otherwise unprompted, that he is not to be believed.

I am bringing up his own words where he wanted to decrease Doubs's role in a year when all his other WRs were 'pond scum' in your words.

So if we are cutting reps for Doubs, we are taking reps away from a guy with talent in a year where all the other WRs were JAGs, and giving it to.... guys whom he trusts more. I.E. the thing you were denying.


So which claim were you wrong about, that Rodgers actually does value talent over trust/chemistry, or that Rodgers is right to want to cut reps for the only WR with above-average talent in a year when all the others were JAGs?

you are not voicing what Rodgers was getting at, he didn't want to decrease Doubs roll in this offense, where you come up with these insane opinions is mind boggling, quite twisting every thing to suit whatever you want to believe.

Rodgers was hoping that sitting Doubs would get him to better focus at the task at hand, why that seems to fly over your head is because you don't want to accept the reality of that situation.

and your the guy wrong here, don't lay that stupid &%$@ at my feet, neither of your options has any $%@# merit at all

[Drj820]

Rodgers was probably doing different things at different times. In some cases, (kumerow) he wanted his pal on the roster. On other cases, (mid year) he was trying to build some confidence through the media on absolute bums he knew he would need to rely on. I won’t call some of these guys pond scum, as I do not want to offend pond scum.

[musclestang]

He threw to Dobbs a lot

And publicly called to "cut reps" from him (did not specifically name him, but it was obvious in-context that he was referring to Doubs).

That was one of the stupidest things I have ever heard him say. And then throw to who, Aaron? Sammy Watkins?? Jeff Cotton???

so if a receiver runs the wrong routes and drops everything you throw to him a sit down is to harsh, Rodgers cares, a concept that must be foreign to you.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Rodgers has been very clear about his desire to have guys putting in the work and doing their jobs in the field. I would t suggest otherwise.

I think he wanted Sammy to work but realized Sammy wasn’t working as the season went on. He clearly liked Doubs and mentioned as much several times during the year

[go pak go]

so if a receiver runs the wrong routes and drops everything you throw to him a sit down is to harsh, Rodgers cares, a concept that must be foreign to you.

Okay, so now you are proving my point. You said Rodgers would sacrifice chemistry/trust for better talent, and that when Rodgers says otherwise unprompted, that he is not to be believed.

I am bringing up his own words where he wanted to decrease Doubs's role in a year when all his other WRs were 'pond scum' in your words.

So if we are cutting reps for Doubs, we are taking reps away from a guy with talent in a year where all the other WRs were JAGs, and giving it to.... guys whom he trusts more. I.E. the thing you were denying.


So which claim were you wrong about, that Rodgers actually does value talent over trust/chemistry, or that Rodgers is right to want to cut reps for the only WR with above-average talent in a year when all the others were JAGs?

you are not voicing what Rodgers was getting at, he didn't want to decrease Doubs roll in this offense, where you come up with these insane opinions is mind boggling, quite twisting every thing to suit whatever you want to believe.

Rodgers was hoping that sitting Doubs would get him to better focus at the task at hand

The level of irony.

Accusing someone of interpreting someone's own words to fit their belief system...and following it up by using the same Rodgers's words to fit your belief system.

[Labrev]

Rodgers was hoping that sitting Doubs would get him to better focus at the task at hand, why that seems to fly over your head is because you don't want to accept the reality of that situation.

It does not fly over my head. I understand that, and maybe it would have made sense in 2016 when we had several quality receivers.

But in the season after Adams had just left and all our other guys were JAGs, that idea was totally asinine. Who was he going to throw to, yoop? Sammy Watkins? A practice squad call-up? No. STFU and throw it to Doubs, princess.

This is the fabled incredible passer who even make pond scum WRs look decent. Okay, then work your magic on a guy who is more than a JAG. What are we paying you for?

Thanks for reminding me what a pathetic diva the guy is. I had forgotten. I am glad he is gone. I do not care about how much we seem to "miss" him now; $60m+ for a guy who refuses to play with good talent and chokes in the big games was a waste of time and money.

Also, you said you want to allow players to place monetary bets against their team like Pete Rose.

[Yoop]

I want a offense with 2 receivers that go over a 1000 yrds, in fact I expect that every season, that use to be normal.

In the 2000s it has happened 85 times out of a possible 734, 11.6% of the time(WR, TE, RB included in 1000 yard seasons). It never used to be normal and your expectations are off.

your right it's only happened for us once in 2014, but we've been close 3 other times, early part of the decade our top 3 or 4 guys where over 25 to 3000 yrds, thats what I meant, when ya have 4 or 5 receivers over 500 yrds or close your offense is much harder to defend, and we rarely have 2 over 700 yrds.

[Yoop]

Rodgers was hoping that sitting Doubs would get him to better focus at the task at hand, why that seems to fly over your head is because you don't want to accept the reality of that situation.

It does not fly over my head. I understand that, and maybe it would have made sense in 2016 when we had several quality receivers.

But in the season after Adams had just left and all our other guys were JAGs, that idea was totally asinine. Who was he going to throw to, yoop? Sammy Watkins? A practice squad call-up? No. STFU and throw it to Doubs, princess.

This is the fabled incredible passer who even make pond scum WRs look decent. Okay, then work your magic on a guy who is more than a JAG. What are we paying you for?

Thanks for reminding me what a pathetic diva the guy is. I had forgotten. I am glad he is gone. I do not care about how much we seem to "miss" him now; $60m+ for a guy who refuses to play with good talent and chokes in the big games was a waste of time and money.

Also, you said you want to allow players to place monetary bets against their team like Pete Rose.

Doubs needed to catch the ball, and after the talking to he did better, Labrev I've heard you diss rodgers every time we lost, and your welcome to that opinion, as childish as it may be

I expect our QB to get in the face of any player he feels isn't pulling his weight, Rodgers did it to Finley and he went over 700 yrds that season, your using anything that sticks to dis Rodgers, and defending a receiver that needed to concentrate more on what he was suppose to do, that is the job of a good field general

I never said anything concerning the bets, your full of &%$@.

[Yoop]

And publicly called to "cut reps" from him (did not specifically name him, but it was obvious in-context that he was referring to Doubs).

That was one of the stupidest things I have ever heard him say. And then throw to who, Aaron? Sammy Watkins?? Jeff Cotton???

so if a receiver runs the wrong routes and drops everything you throw to him a sit down is to harsh, Rodgers cares, a concept that must be foreign to you.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Rodgers has been very clear about his desire to have guys putting in the work and doing their jobs in the field. I would t suggest otherwise.

I think he wanted Sammy to work but realized Sammy wasn’t working as the season went on. He clearly liked Doubs and mentioned as much several times during the year

just to be clear, I was responding to Labrev.

not sure why anyone would think a QB of Rodgers tenure and knowledge shouldn't demand a player do better, when he's not doing stuff right and dropping over half the passes he throws him.

[Labrev]

Doubs was up-and-down all year. He had good moments during the season after getting yelled at but also had bad moments after it too; there is no logical connection between Rodgers yelling at him and the issues getting fixed (it never got fixed).

More to the point, the other guys WERE STILL WORSE, so all he was doing was cutting off his nose to spite his face.

Funny, I don't recall Jayden Reed needing to be yelled at by anyone to hold onto the long ball in the Saints game after dropping the one on the sideline, something that would have made Rodgers refuse to throw to him for half the season.

[Yoop]

Doubs was up-and-down all year. He had good moments during the season after getting yelled at but also had bad moments after it too; there is no logical connection between Rodgers yelling at him and the issues getting fixed (it never got fixed).

Funny, I don't recall Jayden Reed needing to be yelled at by anyone to hold onto the long ball in the Saints game after dropping the one on the sideline, something that would have made Rodgers refuse to throw to him for half the season.

well you need to realize, any QB is going to get on a player thats $%@# up, if you'd ever played this game beyond HS you'd know that, Rodgers has done it with just about everyone, not just Doubs, that goes from Bart Starr to Manning, Unitas, if you weren't so concerned with slamming Rodgers you'd realize that it may have happened with Reed, you have no idea either way.

[BF004]

But alright, good day to you all. Had a nice easy light day and decided to partake in some forumry.

Nice chat, but floors all yours yoop and Dr. Welcome to get in your last words (incorrect as they may be) on the topic.

Sorry we dont think Malik Taylor, Juwann Winfrey, or ESB are good football players. Or Alan Lazard for that matter. Have a nice day.

Knew you would add something ridiculous. Thanks for not disappointing.

[lupedafiasco]

But alright, good day to you all. Had a nice easy light day and decided to partake in some forumry.

Nice chat, but floors all yours yoop and Dr. Welcome to get in your last words (incorrect as they may be) on the topic.

Sorry we dont think Malik Taylor, Juwann Winfrey, or ESB are good football players. Or Alan Lazard for that matter. Have a nice day.

Knew you would add something ridiculous. Thanks for not disappointing.

Lazard without Rodgers so far has a 60 grade with the Jets.

[Yoop]

cmon guys, i promise you the rest of the league thinks the Packer receivers suck, and they have for a LONG time, outside of Adams

The rest of the league literally just gave out $74 million dollars to our WR's, outside of Davante. Something isn't true just because you want it to be.

With Davante, and MVS, and Lazard, our O was awesome. We were statistically maybe the best offense in the league over that 3 year stretch and probably the best on paper. Our QB won 2 MVP's.

Not just all coincidences.

yet according to many the reason we lost in the PO's those years was because Rodgers didn't see a open Lazard, or someone else.

again when you only have a few good skill position players, a QB may over look a guy because he's so focused on a guy he has more faith in, imo the best fix for that is to have more guys he has faith in, not less.
I went and looked up our receiver production since 2010, simply because I thought we had more then one season with 2 receivers over a K, only 2014 did we accomplish that, but we also had 3 other season where our #2 had over 850 yrds, and 4 season where our top 4 had near 3000, so 5 or 6 seasons since 2010 of very good receiver production.

point is Adams and MVS isn't enough, add Lazards 500, and it still comes up short, we dominated the regular seasons of 019, 2020 and 21, and then lost in the PO's because, according to many Rodgers play all of a sudden declined, sorry I just can't accept that, it doesn't calculate for me.

[Drj820]

But alright, good day to you all. Had a nice easy light day and decided to partake in some forumry.

Nice chat, but floors all yours yoop and Dr. Welcome to get in your last words (incorrect as they may be) on the topic.

Sorry we dont think Malik Taylor, Juwann Winfrey, or ESB are good football players. Or Alan Lazard for that matter. Have a nice day.

Knew you would add something ridiculous. Thanks for not disappointing.

I just wished you a good day, but I understand your need for last word. Get you a Malik Taylor jersey if you can find one bud.

[Pckfn23]

I want a offense with 2 receivers that go over a 1000 yrds, in fact I expect that every season, that use to be normal.

In the 2000s it has happened 85 times out of a possible 734, 11.6% of the time(WR, TE, RB included in 1000 yard seasons). It never used to be normal and your expectations are off.

your right it's only happened for us once in 2014, but we've been close 3 other times, early part of the decade our top 3 or 4 guys where over 25 to 3000 yrds, thats what I meant, when ya have 4 or 5 receivers over 500 yrds or close your offense is much harder to defend, and we rarely have 2 over 700 yrds.

No, you didn't mean that, you are simply changing your statement. 2 1000 yard receivers and 3-4 receivers totaling 2500 to 3000 yards are 2 very separate things. And 4-5 receivers over 500 yards is yet another thing.

4 receivers equaling 2500+:

2021 -2871
2020 - 2632
2018 - 2678
2016 - 3066
2014 - 3252(3)

5 of the last 10 seasons we have had over 2500 yards with the top 4.

Over the last 2 seasons the 2021 Bills are the only team to have 4 500+ yard receivers in a single season. No one has 5. That's again an unrealistic expectation. ***ADDITION FROM 2018 to 2019: 2018 Bucs & 2019 Bengals.

As for 2 700+ pass catchers on the Packers:
2000
2001
2004
2007
2008
2009
2011(3)
2012(3)
2013
2014
2015
2016

12 of the last 23 years is a little more than rarely.

Even when you continually move the goalpost the expectations aren't reasonable.