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Brett Favre 300+ Yard Passing Games by Season:
We would have absolutely no idea what to do with a player like Jalen hurts. We are not nearly creative enough for a one of a kind talent like Jalen.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 20:10The fact that Jalen Hurts is in the same draft class as Love makes the pick all the more worse.
Who mentioned Jordan Love statistics?RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 20:18What does 300 passing yards have to do with Jordan Love statistics anyway? Let's start with offensive line blocking.
I’m not saying Hurts sucks or anything, but without AJ Brown I don’t think he’s doing anything g special in this league.Drj820 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 21:01We would have absolutely no idea what to do with a player like Jalen hurts. We are not nearly creative enough for a one of a kind talent like Jalen.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 20:10The fact that Jalen Hurts is in the same draft class as Love makes the pick all the more worse.
I think Jalen has tremendous work ethic, leadership, and his 600 lb squats make him extremely versatile for things like the “tush push”. I means he’s super dynamic…musclestang wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 21:14I’m not saying Hurts sucks or anything, but without AJ Brown I don’t think he’s doing anything g special in this league.Drj820 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 21:01We would have absolutely no idea what to do with a player like Jalen hurts. We are not nearly creative enough for a one of a kind talent like Jalen.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 20:10The fact that Jalen Hurts is in the same draft class as Love makes the pick all the more worse.
The Dolphins traded draft picks for Tyreek Hill and Jalen Ramsey. The Bills traded a 1st round pick for Stefon Diggs. The Chiefs traded picks for Frank Clark, Orlando Brown, and Kadarius Toney. The Bucs traded picks for JPP and Gronk. The 49ers traded picks for Trent Williams and McCaffrey. The Steelers traded a 1st round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick. The Rams traded picks for the very same Jalen Ramsey as well as for Stafford and Von Miller. The Eagles have traded so many picks for so many players on their recent Super Bowl runs that it is hard to keep track but in addition to the one for AJ Brown you mentioned above there are the trades for Darius Slay, D'Andre Swift and now Kevin Byard. During the Brady years, the Pats led the NFL in trading picks for players.Drj820 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 21:22I think Jalen has tremendous work ethic, leadership, and his 600 lb squats make him extremely versatile for things like the “tush push”. I means he’s super dynamic…musclestang wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 21:14I’m not saying Hurts sucks or anything, but without AJ Brown I don’t think he’s doing anything g special in this league.
But theoretically the packers could have gotten Love or Hurts a receiver like AJ brown. I mean they didn’t draft him or sign him in free agency, they traded for him. So if what you say is true, they just went out and got a guy they needed to make their qb great. That’s not something we have shown we will do, but that’s really good on them. They also drafted davanta smith. Personally, I think hurts is a good player who is constantly improving…but I credit their OL for most of his success
Deductive reasoning. Look at the title of the thread.
One of the best posts in the history of the forum. Well done.LombardiTime wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 22:01The Dolphins traded draft picks for Tyreek Hill and Jalen Ramsey. The Bills traded a 1st round pick for Stefon Diggs. The Chiefs traded picks for Frank Clark, Orlando Brown, and Kadarius Toney. The Bucs traded picks for JPP and Gronk. The 49ers traded picks for Trent Williams and McCaffrey. The Steelers traded a 1st round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick. The Rams traded picks for the very same Jalen Ramsey as well as for Stafford and Von Miller. The Eagles have traded so many picks for so many players on their recent Super Bowl runs that it is hard to keep track but in addition to the one for AJ Brown you mentioned above there are the trades for Darius Slay, D'Andre Swift and now Kevin Byard. During the Brady years, the Pats led the NFL in trading picks for players.Drj820 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 21:22I think Jalen has tremendous work ethic, leadership, and his 600 lb squats make him extremely versatile for things like the “tush push”. I means he’s super dynamic…musclestang wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 21:14
I’m not saying Hurts sucks or anything, but without AJ Brown I don’t think he’s doing anything g special in this league.
But theoretically the packers could have gotten Love or Hurts a receiver like AJ brown. I mean they didn’t draft him or sign him in free agency, they traded for him. So if what you say is true, they just went out and got a guy they needed to make their qb great. That’s not something we have shown we will do, but that’s really good on them. They also drafted davanta smith. Personally, I think hurts is a good player who is constantly improving…but I credit their OL for most of his success
I do not contend that all of the aforementioned trades have worked out well for the teams that acquired the players. Rather, I note that plenty of currently successful teams and several recently successful teams have traded draft picks in exchange for players including every team to win the Super Bowl over the past decade.
Can anyone recall the last time the Packers sent a round 5 or better pick away in return for a player? The only recent trade I can think of is when faux GM Aaron Rodgers forced Gutey to send a 6th to Houston for his pal Randall Cobb. (And no, I do not want the Packers to trade for any player at the upcoming deadline and would actually much prefer if they were sellers).
So yes, hypothetically the Packers could have traded draft picks for a player like AJ Brown, but in reality that it is something that just has not been done in Green Bay over the past two decades first under Ted Thompson and now under his protege Brian Gutekunst. (For the old timers, Ron Wolf shipped a 1st round pick away in return for Favre and a 2nd rounder for Keith Jackson. He also made a couple of savvy player for player trades to acquire Eugene Robinson and Ahman Green).
That's something both Thompson and Gutekunst deserve a ton of criticism for though. Especially considering the team was a legit Super Bowl contender for the majority of their tenures.LombardiTime wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 22:01So yes, hypothetically the Packers could have traded draft picks for a player like AJ Brown, but in reality that it is something that just has not been done in Green Bay over the past two decades first under Ted Thompson and now under his protege Brian Gutekunst.
often felt what separated Belechick from most other GM's was his ability to find ol vets to supplant his draft misses, guys he could pick up for basically small money, yet still able to produce at a high level, experienced vets who've seen it all, so the coach up to his defensive schemes would be quick.CWIMM wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 05:41That's something both Thompson and Gutekunst deserve a ton of criticism for though. Especially considering the team was a legit Super Bowl contender for the majority of their tenures.LombardiTime wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 22:01So yes, hypothetically the Packers could have traded draft picks for a player like AJ Brown, but in reality that it is something that just has not been done in Green Bay over the past two decades first under Ted Thompson and now under his protege Brian Gutekunst.
But… but… but… we went all in.CWIMM wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 05:41That's something both Thompson and Gutekunst deserve a ton of criticism for though. Especially considering the team was a legit Super Bowl contender for the majority of their tenures.LombardiTime wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 22:01So yes, hypothetically the Packers could have traded draft picks for a player like AJ Brown, but in reality that it is something that just has not been done in Green Bay over the past two decades first under Ted Thompson and now under his protege Brian Gutekunst.
He is a good guy, I don't want to imply otherwise, I tend to think he's pretty overrated at this point in his career though. Excellent run game, excellent OLine, Excellent defense and when he needs to get bailed out, he has 1 guy that will bail him out every time. That pass that Jordan got picked at the end, i see Hurts throw that at least once a game and it often ends up a TD LOL. I exaggerate, but only a little.Drj820 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 21:22
I think Jalen has tremendous work ethic, leadership, and his 600 lb squats make him extremely versatile for things like the “tush push”. I means he’s super dynamic…
But theoretically the packers could have gotten Love or Hurts a receiver like AJ brown. I mean they didn’t draft him or sign him in free agency, they traded for him. So if what you say is true, they just went out and got a guy they needed to make their qb great. That’s not something we have shown we will do, but that’s really good on them. They also drafted davanta smith. Personally, I think hurts is a good player who is constantly improving…but I credit their OL for most of his success
I agree, but we are the minority, seems most members here support this innovative, but was once illegal way of advancing the pigskin, and as we know this is a copy cat league so other team will also use this cheap tactic to gain short yardagemusclestang wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 06:30He is a good guy, I don't want to imply otherwise, I tend to think he's pretty overrated at this point in his career though. Excellent run game, excellent OLine, Excellent defense and when he needs to get bailed out, he has 1 guy that will bail him out every time. That pass that Jordan got picked at the end, i see Hurts throw that at least once a game and it often ends up a TD LOL. I exaggerate, but only a little.Drj820 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 21:22
I think Jalen has tremendous work ethic, leadership, and his 600 lb squats make him extremely versatile for things like the “tush push”. I means he’s super dynamic…
But theoretically the packers could have gotten Love or Hurts a receiver like AJ brown. I mean they didn’t draft him or sign him in free agency, they traded for him. So if what you say is true, they just went out and got a guy they needed to make their qb great. That’s not something we have shown we will do, but that’s really good on them. They also drafted davanta smith. Personally, I think hurts is a good player who is constantly improving…but I credit their OL for most of his success
He is very strong, but having another Oline man and TE and RB behind you pushing at with 5 or 6 in front of you at the point of attack never hurts either. I'd be more impressed if they didn't allow helping the ball carrier like they do. Lots of times it is stopped at the point of attack just briefly where someone free out covering or at LB could come in and make a tackle. Now that one person might hit the QB, but now has to stop the mass of 3-4 people. I think it's a bush league play. Go watch rugby, this is football, and I can't wait for the day aiding the ball carrier like that is illegal again.
A worthy thread to follow. He's not wrong with the examples he's shown. Others have been pointing out the same thing. The concepts should work if they are executed correctly. Love hasn't been perfect either. But the rest of the team is definitely not helping him out.
So does Reality.
