Vikings at Packers GDT: Sunday Oct 29th, 12:00pm CST

[Gunzaan]

Carolina isn't taking a QB. Let's say GB picks 4th. Maye should be there, especially with NC doing worse lately (more on the D).

You are right, Carolina isn’t taking a QB. Be interesting to see if Chicago does with their pick though.

Don't the Bears have Carolina's first round pick?

They do. Bears will have 2 top 5 picks.

[go pak go]

Serious question.

Who are players you would call "good" this year? Even Rashan Gary has taken a step back the last few weeks.

[German_Panzer]

Serious question.

Who are players you would call "good" this year? Even Rashan Gary has taken a step back the last few weeks.

Nixon.

[go pak go]

Serious question.

Who are players you would call "good" this year? Even Rashan Gary has taken a step back the last few weeks.

Nixon.

lol

[Crazylegs Starks]

Serious question.

Who are players you would call "good" this year? Even Rashan Gary has taken a step back the last few weeks.

I haven't heard any complaints about the long snapper yet!

[go pak go]

Serious question.

Who are players you would call "good" this year? Even Rashan Gary has taken a step back the last few weeks.

I haven't heard any complaints about the long snapper yet!

I met his parents in Atlatna. He had a bad snap vs Chicago. But other than that....not bad!

[Pckfn23]

Serious question.

Who are players you would call "good" this year? Even Rashan Gary has taken a step back the last few weeks.

Nixon.

Nixon has been good?

[Labrev]

40 yards combined for Dillon and Jones on 13 carries.

This OL is really bad.

For a group we thought was a strength, it definitely is not.

For which reason, I would not draft a Love replacement (not next year, at any rate).

It's not that I do not think we could find a substantial upgrade at QB, but it would evidence backwards priorities. This is not a good offense just being held back by bad QB play, this offense makes it harder than it needs to be for the QB to succeed.

Let's get the O to "solid" and the running game up to "respectable" before we look for a savior at QB.

**edit** I would sooner trade our 1st for a replacement Head Coach!

[Labrev]

Serious question.

Who are players you would call "good" this year? Even Rashan Gary has taken a step back the last few weeks.

I have not seen any such steps back from Gary. To the extent he was less effective today, MIN just has good Ts.

[wallyuwl]

40 yards combined for Dillon and Jones on 13 carries.

This OL is really bad.

For a group we thought was a strength, it definitely is not.

For which reason, I would not draft a Love replacement (not next year, at any rate).

It's not that I do not think we could find a substantial upgrade at QB, but it would evidence backwards priorities. This is not a good offense just being held back by bad QB play, this offense makes it harder than it needs to be for the QB to succeed.

Let's get the O to "solid" and the running game up to "respectable" before we look for a savior at QB.

Ok, you get the O to "solid" and now you are picking 12th. That just means Love, who is not the answer, gets more time, and at 12 you almost never get top QB talent.

[BF004]

Serious question.

Who are players you would call "good" this year? Even Rashan Gary has taken a step back the last few weeks.

Rasul and Quay.

Relative to expectations, Slaton, Rudy, Savage.

That’s maybe it? Lol

[musclestang]

Serious question.

Who are players you would call "good" this year? Even Rashan Gary has taken a step back the last few weeks.

Defensively I think Quay, Gary, and Rasul have been playing really well. I think Preston has been nothing solid. Not quite a consistent playmaker, but a valuable piece. I think the DL underperforms with Clark only being there sometimes. Jaire has been out with injury a while, and our starting safeties are decent. Ford and Savage haven't been bad. They haven't been outstanding, but I think it's scheme more times than player effort.

Offensively, well that's tougher. Jones has been out too long, Dillon had 1 decent week last week. OL , I guess Tom has been steady, and Jenkins is getting back to what he was but the rest, it's hard to judge anyone when it's so bad at times. WR's all have seemed to take some steps backwards.

Very difficult for me to judge the QB at this point. When he's making decent plays nobody is helping him out and other times he's not helping this team out either. Is that youth/inexperience? a result of all the other misaligned parts? or just how he's going to be?

[Labrev]

For a group we thought was a strength, it definitely is not.

For which reason, I would not draft a Love replacement (not next year, at any rate).

It's not that I do not think we could find a substantial upgrade at QB, but it would evidence backwards priorities. This is not a good offense just being held back by bad QB play, this offense makes it harder than it needs to be for the QB to succeed.

Let's get the O to "solid" and the running game up to "respectable" before we look for a savior at QB.

Ok, you get the O to "solid" and now you are picking 12th. That just means Love, who is not the answer, gets more time, and at 12 you almost never get top QB talent.

I actually meant to say OL up to solid, typo.

In any case, those are a lot of unsound assumptions.

(1) how you got #12 specifically as the ceiling of the offense improving to solid, seems to be a number you pulled out of thin air.
(2) that Love is not "the answer" as a given now or after this hypothetical.
(3) that improvement on the rest of the O would not prove Love can be "the answer" or otherwise improve enough not to make QB a need.
(4) What it means for a guy to be "the answer" at a position, QB or otherwise.
(5) That top talent at QB is "never" <sic> available at 12 or later, when there seems to be numerous counterexamples.
(6) That top talent at QB is priority, especially in a league where the Elite QB is dead, ahead of a supporting cast that puts a QB in position to succeed... kind of what I was arguing against in the first instance.

[CWIMM]

but it would have been OK in Timbuktu, too. I think that's south of Milwaukee.

haha, Timbuktu, ya Mali is surely south of Milwaukee, love how Larry expresses himself

was looking back to see if we've had any other duel 100 yard RB's in a single game in history, alas I'am so inept at searching this stuff I finally gave up, maybe Ellis and Ivory are the only two.

Actually it happened five times that the Packers had two players who rushed for at least 100 yards in a single game with Ivery and Ellis doing it twice. Here's the list:

December 16, 1973, @Chicago (W 21-0): John Brockington 22 rushes, 142 yards - MacArthur Lane 19 rushes, 101 yards
November 23, 1980, @Minnesota (W 25-13): Eddie Lee Ivery 24 rushes, 145 yards, 1 TD - Gerry Ellis 15 rushes, 101 yards, 1 TD
December 1, 1985, vs. Tampa (W 21-0): Eddie Lee Ivery 13 rushes, 109 yards - Gerry Ellis 9 rushes, 101 yards, 1 TD
October 29, 2006, vs. Arizona (W 31-14): Ahman Green 21 rushes, 106 yards, 2 TD - Vernand Morency 11 rushes, 101 yards
December 28, 2008, vs. Detroit (W 31-21): Ryan Grant 19 rushes, 106 yards - DeShawn Wynn 7 rushes, 106 yards, 1 TD

Side note: Stenovich said yesterday that Myers is playing the best football of his career this year. What is his PFF ranking and why doesn't it seem that way to the naked eye? His other comments also led me to believe there may be a change on the OL this week. Maybe Walker out for Yosh. Sure hope it's not Newman for Runyan!

just can't fathom how Myers rank 5th. he has a over all grade of 56.4, just saying if that's the case the whole league needs improvement at the position.

Actually PFF has ranked Myers 29th out of 38 qualifying centers with an overall grade of 55.3. He's ranked ninth in pass blocking at 71.0 though.