From Lambeau to Lombardi, Holmgren, McCarthy and LaFleur and from Starr to Favre, Rodgers and now Jordan Love we’re talking Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers football. This Packers Forum is the place to talk NFL football and everything Packers. So, pull up a keyboard, make yourself at home and let’s talk some Packers football.
The Green Bay Packers return to Lambeau Field to take on a former NFC Central foe, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, this Sunday.
It is the second-latest visit by the Buccaneers, a 17-14 Green Bay overtime win in Week 17 in 2000.
Dating back to 1990, the Packers are 14-1 against the Buccaneers at home in the regular season with 12 of the 15 contests being decided by single digits, including two overtime games.
The Packers and Buccaneers face off for the fourth time since 2020 (three regular season, one postseason).
The Packers' four games (including postseason) against the Buccaneers will tie for the most they have played against any non-division opponent since 2020 (Los Angeles Rams).
The Packers have won four of the last five regular-season matchups, including a 14-12 win at Tampa last season. Green Bay's .800 winning percentage against the Buccaneers during the regular season is tied for No. 4 in the NFL since 2011.
Only three of the last eight contests between the two clubs have been decided by a touchdown or less.
The winning team has scored 20-plus points in seven of the last eight games (including postseason) and 30-plus points in five of those contests.
The Packers are 3-3 in games played at 12 p.m. CT this season, including 3-1 at home.
After two straight seasons of playing on Christmas, Green Bay visits the Carolina Panthers in Week 16 on Christmas Eve. The Packers are 1-1 against NFC South teams this season.
This will be the second time this season (Weeks 2-3) that Green Bay will play back-to-back games against NFC South teams.
Weather
image.png (369.28 KiB) Viewed 898 times
JustJeff wrote:Packers 38
Buccaneers 17
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Favre's too. I remember being hopeful when the Rodgers era started that he would fare better against TB, who seemed to give Favre fits, but they stymied him a lot as well. It's like there is something about their brand/style of defenses that just works well against our offenses.
I had my eye on this game for that reason, kinda fearing this one would be the "trap game" that last Sunday turned out to be.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
Bucs NT Vita Vea (toe) missed practice on Wednesday
The massive nose tackle also missed Week 14 with the injury, so there remains a little concern about his status for Sunday’s game against the Packers. Vea is the key cog in the Bucs run defense and was one of three key defenders who missed last week and also didn’t practice for the Buccaneers on Wednesday, joining Carlton Davis and Devin White. It’s still early in the week, but the Bucs defense is looking pretty banged up right now, which could be an upgrade for many of the Packers’ skill position players.
This is a playoff game IMO. Maybe if doesn’t mathematically eliminate either team yet but with the NFC race so tight I think this is a must win for both teams.
Favre's too. I remember being hopeful when the Rodgers era started that he would fare better against TB, who seemed to give Favre fits, but they stymied him a lot as well. It's like there is something about their brand/style of defenses that just works well against our offenses.
I had my eye on this game for that reason, kinda fearing this one would be the "trap game" that last Sunday turned out to be.
Toney Dungy's style of cover 2 that turns into cover 3 on passing downs which is known as the Tampa 2, it requires a duel tech MLBer that can both hang tough against th e run, but also drop into deep coverage quick, it's a 4-3 scheme.
people complain that Rodgers didn't like to throw over the middle, probably after watching Favre throw so many picks against Tampa 2 style coverage, McCarthy probably said we need to put a end to this chit
What is the difference between Tampa 2 and Cover 2?
Tampa 2 is a slight variation on Cover 2 where the middle linebacker takes his underneath zone in the middle of the field and drops just a little deeper, allowing the safeties to gain a bit more width and giving them some security in the middle of the field.Jun 29, 2023
Favre's too. I remember being hopeful when the Rodgers era started that he would fare better against TB, who seemed to give Favre fits, but they stymied him a lot as well. It's like there is something about their brand/style of defenses that just works well against our offenses.
I had my eye on this game for that reason, kinda fearing this one would be the "trap game" that last Sunday turned out to be.
Toney Dungy's style of cover 2 that turns into cover 3 on passing downs which is known as the Tampa 2, it requires a duel tech MLBer that can both hang tough against th e run, but also drop into deep coverage quick, it's a 4-3 scheme.
people complain that Rodgers didn't like to throw over the middle, probably after watching Favre throw so many picks against Tampa 2 style coverage, McCarthy probably said we need to put a end to this chit
What is the difference between Tampa 2 and Cover 2?
Tampa 2 is a slight variation on Cover 2 where the middle linebacker takes his underneath zone in the middle of the field and drops just a little deeper, allowing the safeties to gain a bit more width and giving them some security in the middle of the field.Jun 29, 2023
Yeah, I've had the same thought about the Cover-2/Tampa-2 being poison to the WCO. I get that Tampa and Green Bay may not have run those exact respective schemes all the times they've faced each other for the past 20-30 years, but that their later offenses largely evolved out of them and were similar.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
Rodgers never had a problem throwing over the middle to guys that knew the offense. It wasn't until he had to rely on the St. Brown that wasn't very good, Montgomery, a guy named Amari, Deguara etc that he went there less
Rodgers never had a problem throwing over the middle to guys that knew the offense. It wasn't until he had to rely on the St. Brown that wasn't very good, Montgomery, a guy named Amari, Deguara etc that he went there less
He was shying away from it in the later part of the Nelson years as well, so that isn't necessarily true.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Rodgers never had a problem throwing over the middle to guys that knew the offense. It wasn't until he had to rely on the St. Brown that wasn't very good, Montgomery, a guy named Amari, Deguara etc that he went there less
He was shying away from it in the later part of the Nelson years as well, so that isn't necessarily true.
was that a Rodgers thing or McCarthy, and how much did it have to do with a copy cats of Toney Dungy Tampa 2 style defense? imho lots, we saw more dedication towards having lbers with both run and coverage ability, less need to 2 dn thumpers.
I seriously thought it was so funny when people complained Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle, no one seemed to even consider why, Rodgers was just afraid, scared, or whatever,
Rodgers never had a problem throwing over the middle to guys that knew the offense. It wasn't until he had to rely on the St. Brown that wasn't very good, Montgomery, a guy named Amari, Deguara etc that he went there less
He was shying away from it in the later part of the Nelson years as well, so that isn't necessarily true.
was that a Rodgers thing or McCarthy, and how much did it have to do with a copy cats of Toney Dungy Tampa 2 style defense? imho lots, we saw more dedication towards having lbers with both run and coverage ability, less need to 2 dn thumpers.
I seriously thought it was so funny when people complained Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle, no one seemed to even consider why, Rodgers was just afraid, scared, or whatever,
No one said Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle. This is your extreme interpretation of it. He did shy away from it, however. That is a proven fact. Why was it? Rodgers was too cautious at times.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I thought it was obvious why he did. #1 was a big drop off in receiver quality or availability. When decent guys were on the field and went across the middle, they did get the ball. #2, we didn't have a consistent quality TE for the past decade in GB who often get middle of field passes. and #3, he had a shoulder injury he came back from and then had the tibial plateau injury he played on and couldn't really step and was floating a few passes. That was also when we tried making St. brown on of those receivers.
and IMO, all very good reasons to shy away from the middle. I imagine if Rodgers had a rookie like Reed on the team and not one like Amari Rodgers the narratives would be a bit different.
I thought it was obvious why he did. #1 was a big drop off in receiver quality or availability. When decent guys were on the field and went across the middle, they did get the ball. #2, we didn't have a consistent quality TE for the past decade in GB who often get middle of field passes. and #3, he had a shoulder injury he came back from and then had the tibial plateau injury he played on and couldn't really step and was floating a few passes. That was also when we tried making St. brown on of those receivers.
and IMO, all very good reasons to shy away from the middle. I imagine if Rodgers had a rookie like Reed on the team and not one like Amari Rodgers the narratives would be a bit different.
He shied away from the middle well before Amari Rodgers and St. Brown.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
He was shying away from it in the later part of the Nelson years as well, so that isn't necessarily true.
was that a Rodgers thing or McCarthy, and how much did it have to do with a copy cats of Toney Dungy Tampa 2 style defense? imho lots, we saw more dedication towards having lbers with both run and coverage ability, less need to 2 dn thumpers.
I seriously thought it was so funny when people complained Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle, no one seemed to even consider why, Rodgers was just afraid, scared, or whatever,
No one said Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle. This is your extreme interpretation of it. He did shy away from it, however. That is a proven fact. Why was it? Rodgers was too cautious at times.
and that is extreme BS, ya' all said it, and Muscle is spot on, so much has been made that Rodgers was scarred to throw over the middle, never did you listen or even care why, he shied away from it for some of the same receiver others do, the game evolves, what was once common to do offensively, defenses eventually take away or ya simply lack the players that excel in those schemes, like the Nelsons or the Cooks, or Finleys or Cobbs, instead ya have the likes of the 3 stooges, he never shied away from throwing to Adams any place Adams ran a route, or Jones either.
there are reasons for why things happen, there really are.
was that a Rodgers thing or McCarthy, and how much did it have to do with a copy cats of Toney Dungy Tampa 2 style defense? imho lots, we saw more dedication towards having lbers with both run and coverage ability, less need to 2 dn thumpers.
I seriously thought it was so funny when people complained Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle, no one seemed to even consider why, Rodgers was just afraid, scared, or whatever,
No one said Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle. This is your extreme interpretation of it. He did shy away from it, however. That is a proven fact. Why was it? Rodgers was too cautious at times.
and that is extreme BS, ya' all said it, and Muscle is spot on, so much has been made that Rodgers was scarred to throw over the middle, never did you listen or even care why, he shied away from it for some of the same receiver others do, the game evolves, what was once common to do offensively, defenses eventually take away or ya simply lack the players that excel in those schemes, like the Nelsons or the Cooks, or Finleys or Cobbs, instead ya have the likes of the 3 stooges, he never shied away from throwing to Adams any place Adams ran a route, or Jones either.
there are reasons for why things happen, there really are.
No, no one ever said he WOULD NOT throw over the middle. He obviously did throw over the middle, but to a lesser extent than his peers and it was not just because of the last of WRs the last several years. This phenomenon dates back to the mid 2010s. The why is simple. He viewed INTs as the cardinal sin of quarterbacking. Something to be avoid at all costs. For example 2016 saw Nelson, Adams, Cobb, and Cook, but even back then Rodgers had started his aversion to throwing over the middle. Was it maybe exacerbated in later years with less talent? Sure, but it has been proven to be the case even before that.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
We have digressed off topic. The original point as it related to GB's history with the upcoming opponent was relevant to the OP.
Rodgers's willingness or not to throw over the middle, by itself, is not.
I don't see how this particular game is of significance Labrev, the changes Dungy brought, the variations of using a ball hawking MLBer have now become quite standard, everyone went looking for a Quay Walker so they could use him instead of a safety to defend center field, the strength of a cover 3 is that as you said, it closes off the intermediate zones, a staple of WCO schemes, jmo
No one said Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle. This is your extreme interpretation of it. He did shy away from it, however. That is a proven fact. Why was it? Rodgers was too cautious at times.
and that is extreme BS, ya' all said it, and Muscle is spot on, so much has been made that Rodgers was scarred to throw over the middle, never did you listen or even care why, he shied away from it for some of the same receiver others do, the game evolves, what was once common to do offensively, defenses eventually take away or ya simply lack the players that excel in those schemes, like the Nelsons or the Cooks, or Finleys or Cobbs, instead ya have the likes of the 3 stooges, he never shied away from throwing to Adams any place Adams ran a route, or Jones either.
there are reasons for why things happen, there really are.
No, no one ever said he WOULD NOT throw over the middle. He obviously did throw over the middle, but to a lesser extent than his peers and it was not just because of the last of WRs the last several years. This phenomenon dates back to the mid 2010s. The why is simple. He viewed INTs as the cardinal sin of quarterbacking. Something to be avoid at all costs. For example 2016 saw Nelson, Adams, Cobb, and Cook, but even back then Rodgers had started his aversion to throwing over the middle. Was it maybe exacerbated in later years with less talent? Sure, but it has been proven to be the case even before that.
It was always a McCarthy thing that he got Rodgers to accept, more chance for a pick when throwing into traffic, why do you think McCarthy loved the iso routes, side line go routes, less chance of a pick, however they used crossers, drags and every other interior route you can think of, again others have been spot on, the interior routes declined along with the loss of talented players that could be depended on to run those routes.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers @ Green Bay Packers 
