Let The Firings Begin

[Pckfn23]

IF we want to play the blame game, I think there is plenty to go around and almost no one is blameless. At the same time, why play the blame game since it is so wide spread? The youngest team in NFL history who made it to the playoffs and won a game, preceded to go into the top seed's house and go toe to toe with them for 3 quarters. The ride was fun, now the expectations and the real work starts!

[Yoop]

I would be in favor of moving on from Barry if a bonafide stud wanted to come to green bay.

Like say Vrabel as DC (he wont) or Selah becomes available.

But other than a homerun hire, there isnt much reason to move on. Barry coached well when his job was on the line. He coached well enough to win both playoff games too.

not in my opinion, more time and we wouldn't even had the opportunity to play the Niners, it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage, in the same way he closed out the game against the Niners.

[Pckfn23]

I would be in favor of moving on from Barry if a bonafide stud wanted to come to green bay.

Like say Vrabel as DC (he wont) or Selah becomes available.

But other than a homerun hire, there isnt much reason to move on. Barry coached well when his job was on the line. He coached well enough to win both playoff games too.

not in my opinion, more time and we wouldn't even had the opportunity to play the Niners, it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage, in the same way he closed out the game against the Niners.

More time and we would not have put in our 2nd string. One can not just magically add time to a game and then not expect strategy to change. Until 5:54 the Packers were up 48-16. It was the absolute right call to be in prevent. It wasn't necessarily the right call to put in the 2nd string, which was Matt LaFleur's call and he owned up to it. We still won by 16.

[go pak go]

Barry's contract isn't up this year. LaFleur admitted today that Barry is likely to return next year. Mother $%@#.

So it seems

so what made everyone think it was up?

Hes def coming back, which is fine with me

NO ONE stated it was confirmed. Everyone stated as a caveat that it was likley up if you listen beyond the headline.

The reason people thought it might be up is standard coach contracts are 3 years and he signed in 2021.

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yesterday, Lafleur said he expects Joe Barry to be back, today I read he said he's still evaluating this stuff, so the dream is still alive that Joe Barry will be employed elsewhere in the future.

I hope someone, something, convinces Matt that it's time to move on.

[Yoop]

I would be in favor of moving on from Barry if a bonafide stud wanted to come to green bay.

Like say Vrabel as DC (he wont) or Selah becomes available.

But other than a homerun hire, there isnt much reason to move on. Barry coached well when his job was on the line. He coached well enough to win both playoff games too.

not in my opinion, more time and we wouldn't even had the opportunity to play the Niners, it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage, in the same way he closed out the game against the Niners.

More time and we would not have put in our 2nd string. One can not just magically add time to a game and then not expect strategy to change. Until 5:54 the Packers were up 48-16. It was the absolute right call to be in prevent. It wasn't necessarily the right call to put in the 2nd string, which was Matt LaFleur's call and he owned up to it. We still won by 16.

the right call was a stunt, a blitz, or a 5 man rush, the reserves where in for what? 1 or 2 plays on defense, that doesn't account for 16 points, quit defending this incompetent DC.

[Pckfn23]

not in my opinion, more time and we wouldn't even had the opportunity to play the Niners, it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage, in the same way he closed out the game against the Niners.

More time and we would not have put in our 2nd string. One can not just magically add time to a game and then not expect strategy to change. Until 5:54 the Packers were up 48-16. It was the absolute right call to be in prevent. It wasn't necessarily the right call to put in the 2nd string, which was Matt LaFleur's call and he owned up to it. We still won by 16.

the right call was a stunt, a blitz, or a 5 man rush, the reserves where in for what? 1 or 2 plays on defense, that doesn't account for 16 points, quit defending this incompetent DC.

You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of a person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator that has ever been and will ever be in the league would do so in that situation.

The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was almost fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...

Corey Ballentine - 43 snaps
Anthony Johnson - 23 snaps
Eric Wilson - 20 snaps
Zayne Anderson - 13 snaps
Robert Rochell - 5 snaps

[Yoop]

More time and we would not have put in our 2nd string. One can not just magically add time to a game and then not expect strategy to change. Until 5:54 the Packers were up 48-16. It was the absolute right call to be in prevent. It wasn't necessarily the right call to put in the 2nd string, which was Matt LaFleur's call and he owned up to it. We still won by 16.

the right call was a stunt, a blitz, or a 5 man rush, the reserves where in for what? 1 or 2 plays on defense, that doesn't account for 16 points, quit defending this incompetent DC.

You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of an person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator in that has and will be in the league we do so in that situation.

The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...

NO all teams, specially in the play offs don't go to prevent, and when they do they don't back off with pass rush, in fact some teams decoy the prevent and blitz, and I seem to recall even Lafleur saying it was a mistake to yank the defensive starters, but most where only out that one series, as soon as Dallas scored they went back in, so I'am going off what Lafleur actually said.

as soon as Carlson missed that FG I new the Niners would score, Barry's prevent allows that in every game.

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More time and we would not have put in our 2nd string. One can not just magically add time to a game and then not expect strategy to change. Until 5:54 the Packers were up 48-16. It was the absolute right call to be in prevent. It wasn't necessarily the right call to put in the 2nd string, which was Matt LaFleur's call and he owned up to it. We still won by 16.

the right call was a stunt, a blitz, or a 5 man rush, the reserves where in for what? 1 or 2 plays on defense, that doesn't account for 16 points, quit defending this incompetent DC.

You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of a person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator that has ever been and will ever be in the league would do so in that situation.

The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was almost fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...

Corey Ballentine - 43 snaps
Anthony Johnson - 23 snaps
Eric Wilson - 20 snaps
Zayne Anderson - 13 snaps
Robert Rochell - 5 snaps

all where subbed in at different spots in the game

[Pckfn23]

the right call was a stunt, a blitz, or a 5 man rush, the reserves where in for what? 1 or 2 plays on defense, that doesn't account for 16 points, quit defending this incompetent DC.

You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of an person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator in that has and will be in the league we do so in that situation.

The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...

NO all teams, specially in the play offs don't go to prevent, and when they do they don't back off with pass rush, in fact some teams decoy the prevent and blitz, and I seem to recall even Lafleur saying it was a mistake to yank the defensive starters, but most where only out that one series, as soon as Dallas scored they went back in, so I'am going off what Lafleur actually said.

as soon as Carlson missed that FG I new the Niners would score, Barry's prevent allows that in every game.

Making things up again...

No, teams still play prevent in the playoffs when up by a lot and Green Bay was right in doing so when up 32 with 6 minutes left.
No, the backups were in for more than 1 series and a hell of a lot more than 1 or 2 plays.

Here you throwing &%$@ at the wall again, we are talking Dallas, not the 49ers... FFS

[Pckfn23]

the right call was a stunt, a blitz, or a 5 man rush, the reserves where in for what? 1 or 2 plays on defense, that doesn't account for 16 points, quit defending this incompetent DC.

You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of a person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator that has ever been and will ever be in the league would do so in that situation.

The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was almost fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...

Corey Ballentine - 43 snaps
Anthony Johnson - 23 snaps
Eric Wilson - 20 snaps
Zayne Anderson - 13 snaps
Robert Rochell - 5 snaps

all where subbed in at different spots in the game

Ya, at the end... We played mostly our backups on defense the last 2 series. And you admitted this when saying LaFleur owned up to putting in the backups being not the best idea:

Lafleur saying it was a mistake to yank the defensive starters

You are now completely contradicting yourself.

[Yoop]

You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of a person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator that has ever been and will ever be in the league would do so in that situation.

The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was almost fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...

Corey Ballentine - 43 snaps
Anthony Johnson - 23 snaps
Eric Wilson - 20 snaps
Zayne Anderson - 13 snaps
Robert Rochell - 5 snaps

all where subbed in at different spots in the game

Ya, at the end... We played mostly our backups on defense the last 2 series. And you admitted this when saying LaFleur owned up to putting in the backups being not the best idea:

Lafleur saying it was a mistake to yank the defensive starters

You are now completely contradicting yourself.

NO, not all teams play deep shell to end games when they have a lead, all teams do is dink and dunk right down the field, unless your still able to hurry the QB with 4, they bring 5, they blitz, they don't hang the defense out to dry just doing deep shell coverage the way Barry has.

once we missed that FG it was a fore gone conclusion we where going to lose that game, why because Barry backs off on heavy front, doesn't blitz or stunt, and his deep zone coverage is porus as all hell, keep supporting that crap if ya like, I wont.

[Pckfn23]

all where subbed in at different spots in the game

Ya, at the end... We played mostly our backups on defense the last 2 series. And you admitted this when saying LaFleur owned up to putting in the backups being not the best idea:

Lafleur saying it was a mistake to yank the defensive starters

You are now completely contradicting yourself.

NO, not all teams play deep shell to end games when they have a lead, all teams do is dink and dunk right down the field, unless your still able to hurry the QB with 4, they bring 5, they blitz, they don't hang the defense out to dry just doing deep shell coverage the way Barry has.

When they are up by 32 with 6 minutes left they do. At that point you want teams to dink and dunk as the clock expires. Going into a deep shell is what every team has done and will do in that situation. There are PLENTY of reasons to want Barry fired, but this is NOT one of them. Stop inventing reasons and just stick with the ones that are readily available.

once we missed that FG it was a fore gone conclusion we where going to lose that game, why because Barry backs off on heavy front, doesn't blitz or stunt, and his deep zone coverage is porus as all hell, keep supporting that crap if ya like, I wont.

We didn't miss a FG against Dallas... I have been talking Dallas and only Dallas. FFS man, stop. I am not talking about the 49er game at all here. Stay on point.

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Ya, at the end... We played mostly our backups on defense the last 2 series. And you admitted this when saying LaFleur owned up to putting in the backups being not the best idea:


You are now completely contradicting yourself.

NO, not all teams play deep shell to end games when they have a lead, all teams do is dink and dunk right down the field, unless your still able to hurry the QB with 4, they bring 5, they blitz, they don't hang the defense out to dry just doing deep shell coverage the way Barry has.

When they are up by 32 with 6 minutes left they do. At that point you want teams to dink and dunk as the clock expires. Going into a deep shell is what every team has done and will do in that situation. There are PLENTY of reasons to want Barry fired, but this is NOT one of them. Stop inventing reasons and just stick with the ones that are readily available.

once we missed that FG it was a fore gone conclusion we where going to lose that game, why because Barry backs off on heavy front, doesn't blitz or stunt, and his deep zone coverage is porus as all hell, keep supporting that crap if ya like, I wont.

We didn't miss a FG against Dallas... I have been talking Dallas and only Dallas. FFS man, stop. I am not talking about the 49er game at all here. Stay on point.

I forget your unable to discuss two things unless it is spelled out to you, sorry of course I was talking about the Niners..

I get the whole bit concerning prevent, again not all teams just rely on deep shell, you, me and the whole freaking football fans from every freaking team watch as defenses bring a extra rusher during prevent coverages, Barry to my knowledge never has, in fact he goes the other way and just brings 3, hell Barry has a loaded tool box, we should lead the league in pass pressure, whats he do, prevent, Barry is a joke as a DC

[Pckfn23]

NO, not all teams play deep shell to end games when they have a lead, all teams do is dink and dunk right down the field, unless your still able to hurry the QB with 4, they bring 5, they blitz, they don't hang the defense out to dry just doing deep shell coverage the way Barry has.

When they are up by 32 with 6 minutes left they do. At that point you want teams to dink and dunk as the clock expires. Going into a deep shell is what every team has done and will do in that situation. There are PLENTY of reasons to want Barry fired, but this is NOT one of them. Stop inventing reasons and just stick with the ones that are readily available.

once we missed that FG it was a fore gone conclusion we where going to lose that game, why because Barry backs off on heavy front, doesn't blitz or stunt, and his deep zone coverage is porus as all hell, keep supporting that crap if ya like, I wont.

We didn't miss a FG against Dallas... I have been talking Dallas and only Dallas. FFS man, stop. I am not talking about the 49er game at all here. Stay on point.

I forget your unable to discuss two things unless it is spelled out to you, sorry of course I was talking about the Niners..

No, you were not. Don't lie. This is your specific quote:

"it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage"

This is not the 49ers at all. I am not going to let you gaslight this when you CLEARLY were talking about Dallas.

I get the whole bit concerning prevent, again not all teams just rely on deep shell, you, me and the whole freaking football fans from every freaking team watch as defenses bring a extra rusher during prevent coverages, Barry to my knowledge never has, in fact he goes the other way and just brings 3, hell Barry has a loaded tool box, we should lead the league in pass pressure, whats he do, prevent, Barry is a joke as a DC

EVERY team would and does go into prevent when up 30+ with under half the 4th quarter to go. That's reality and that is how it should be. You are trying to make a blanket statement based on your warped sense of reality and overwhelming need to made things up to get rid of Barry.

Again, stop fabricating things to be pissed about when it comes to Joe Barry. There are many many reasons why Joe Barry should be fired. Playing prevent at the end of the Dallas game is NOT one of them.

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When they are up by 32 with 6 minutes left they do. At that point you want teams to dink and dunk as the clock expires. Going into a deep shell is what every team has done and will do in that situation. There are PLENTY of reasons to want Barry fired, but this is NOT one of them. Stop inventing reasons and just stick with the ones that are readily available.



We didn't miss a FG against Dallas... I have been talking Dallas and only Dallas. FFS man, stop. I am not talking about the 49er game at all here. Stay on point.

I forget your unable to discuss two things unless it is spelled out to you, sorry of course I was talking about the Niners..

No, you were not. Don't lie. This is your specific quote:

"it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage"

This is not the 49ers at all. I am not going to let you gaslight this when you CLEARLY were talking about Dallas.

I get the whole bit concerning prevent, again not all teams just rely on deep shell, you, me and the whole freaking football fans from every freaking team watch as defenses bring a extra rusher during prevent coverages, Barry to my knowledge never has, in fact he goes the other way and just brings 3, hell Barry has a loaded tool box, we should lead the league in pass pressure, whats he do, prevent, Barry is a joke as a DC

EVERY team would and does go into prevent when up 30+ with under half the 4th quarter to go. That's reality and that is how it should be. You are trying to make a blanket statement based on your warped sense of reality.

Again, stop fabricating things to be pissed about when it comes to Joe Barry. There are many many reasons why Joe Barry should be fired. Playing prevent at the end of the Dallas game is NOT one of them.

and you don't see the gap in these two paragraphs, sorry I didn't say the second was about the Niners, just figured it was obvious since we didn't miss a FG against Dallas in the last minutes of that game.

NO, not all teams play deep shell to end games when they have a lead, all teams do is dink and dunk right down the field, unless your still able to hurry the QB with 4, they bring 5, they blitz, they don't hang the defense out to dry just doing deep shell coverage the way Barry has.

once we missed that FG it was a fore gone conclusion we where going to lose that game, why because Barry backs off on heavy front, doesn't blitz or stunt, and his deep zone coverage is porus as all hell, keep supporting that crap if ya like, I wont.

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Barry should be fired. Playing prevent at the end of the Dallas game is NOT one of them.

cept playing what obviously wasn't working right till that Cowboys game ended, I get prevent when your up 16 pts, when it gets closer then Kill the QB, your defending stupidity, I get the bleeding clock stuff, what I will never defend is allowing a QB to pick a defense apart.

[Pckfn23]

Barry should be fired. Playing prevent at the end of the Dallas game is NOT one of them.

cept playing what obviously wasn't working right till that Cowboys game ended, I get prevent when your up 16 pts, when it gets closer then Kill the QB, your defending stupidity, I get the bleeding clock stuff, what I will never defend is allowing a QB to pick a defense apart.

You continue to say you get it, but you obviously don't and continue to misrepresent what actually was going on.

[Yoop]

Barry should be fired. Playing prevent at the end of the Dallas game is NOT one of them.

cept playing what obviously wasn't working right till that Cowboys game ended, I get prevent when your up 16 pts, when it gets closer then Kill the QB, your defending stupidity, I get the bleeding clock stuff, what I will never defend is allowing a QB to pick a defense apart.

You continue to say you get it, but you obviously don't and continue to misrepresent what actually was going on.

I do get it, your the guy defending Barry, and over looking that Barry used prevent for the whole 4th QTr against Dallas, we barely escaped with a Win, and your doing the same against the Niners, your a Barry defender

[Pckfn23]

cept playing what obviously wasn't working right till that Cowboys game ended, I get prevent when your up 16 pts, when it gets closer then Kill the QB, your defending stupidity, I get the bleeding clock stuff, what I will never defend is allowing a QB to pick a defense apart.

You continue to say you get it, but you obviously don't and continue to misrepresent what actually was going on.

I do get it, your the guy defending Barry, and over looking that Barry used prevent for the whole 4th QTr against Dallas, we barely escaped with a Win, and your doing the same against the Niners, your a Barry defender

Nothing you said here is true.