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What are we showing?Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 08:292018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game
2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game
reason to not like the Hafley hireBF004 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 08:56What are we showing?Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 08:292018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game
2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game
Boston College is obviously not a great place to make a name for a coach, could say it's a coach ruin er, so dependent on luring in very average national talent, sleepers actually, he still took it to respectability in 2021, at OSU they had a respectable defense his 2nd season, to me when he had talent he produced results, no one can minus talent.
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That is not the case. He's just
His 1 year at OSU was their best defensive year by far.
His first 2 years at BC saw vast improvement, then fell off. I wonder if the 3rd year he was less involved in the D as he had talked about in interviews or what the reasoning was.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
It may have not been your intention, but thats how it's perceived, 2 solid defensive seasons out of 8, most fans jump to poor hire when seeing stats like this, are you going to deny that, and right back at you
if your going to bring stats like that and it's not your intention to bad paint a guy then say so, give reasons for bringing his coaching record, or anyone would say what I did.
Sounds like head coaches aren't really involved in coaching anymore period since the transfer portal and NIL. It was bad enough before with just recruiting high school kids.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 09:40That is not the case. He's just
His 1 year at OSU was their best defensive year by far.
His first 2 years at BC saw vast improvement, then fell off. I wonder if the 3rd year he was less involved in the D as he had talked about in interviews or what the reasoning was.
It was asked by YoHo and BF earlier in this thread:Yoop wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 09:47It may have not been your intention, but thats how it's perceived, 2 solid defensive seasons out of 8, most fans jump to poor hire when seeing stats like this, are you going to deny that, and right back at you
if your going to bring stats like that and it's not your intention to bad paint a guy then say so, give reasons for bringing his coaching record, or anyone would say what I did.
1. What were OSU's defensive rankings before and after Hafley left?
2. Same for BC's stats
Pckfn23 simply brought in the data. Yes Pckfn23 should have had better headings on his data which lead to BF's questioning of the data. But you also answered a question you clearly didn't know which led to more confusion.
when, 2 days ago? we all read how he's struggled at other stops in his career, and mostly do to lack of talent, I simply answered 004's question in the most obvious manor. and 23 didn't clarify till after my response, and the record points towards failure to the unobservant fan, it was not my intent to insult 23, yet he likes to throw haymakers my waygo pak go wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 09:56It was asked by YoHo and BF earlier in this thread:Yoop wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 09:47It may have not been your intention, but thats how it's perceived, 2 solid defensive seasons out of 8, most fans jump to poor hire when seeing stats like this, are you going to deny that, and right back at you
if your going to bring stats like that and it's not your intention to bad paint a guy then say so, give reasons for bringing his coaching record, or anyone would say what I did.
1. What were OSU's defensive rankings before and after Hafley left?
2. Same for BC's stats
Pckfn23 simply brought in the data. Yes Pckfn23 should have had better headings on his data which lead to BF's questioning of the data. But you also answered a question you clearly didn't know which led to more confusion.
see none of this stuff means a hill of beans to anyone with knowledge of how college ball works these last 10 or so years, (Wally) or to a person such as myself that realizes the evolution of offense limits even more the ability to hide a weak position, OC burn midnight oil deep diving into every player in the up coming game each week, devising schemes to explore them.
the point is that Hafley was behind the 8-ball attempting to polish mostly turds 6 of those 8 seasons, I mean isn't that obvious to all of us? sure is me, those records imo don't mean to much
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For 1, only 5 of those 8 years did Hafley coach at those schools. I falsely assumed people by now new that he coached at OSU in 2019 and then BC from 2020 to 2023. You perceived it the way because you like to .Yoop wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 09:47It may have not been your intention, but thats how it's perceived, 2 solid defensive seasons out of 8, most fans jump to poor hire when seeing stats like this, are you going to deny that, and right back at you
if your going to bring stats like that and it's not your intention to bad paint a guy then say so, give reasons for bringing his coaching record, or anyone would say what I did.
Unlike you, I don't usually jump to conclusion. I like to look at data, look at examples and ask questions. Unfortunately, you think questions are offensive.
I brought the defensive points per game rankings for his tenures and the years immediately before and after him. It's for conversation and I almost always share the things I look up and ponder over. If I am going to do the work, I might as well share it out.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
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Wrong again. Might want to understand what you are looking at before making conclusions. That would help IMMENSELY.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
bo ho, what would help EMMENSELY is for you to bring stats that show what they claim to, I admit to overlooking that he's marked down at coaching for both in 2019, so why bring a stat showing he did?
as to your questions, typically there condescending, mostly to provoke a argument, that much I understand, and I sure as hell don't know what any of this exposes about our new DC other then what I already said.
again I simply answered 004 with what appeared obvious answer
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What claim? I didn't claim anything.Yoop wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 11:08bo ho, what would help EMMENSELY is for you to bring stats that show what they claim to, I admit to overlooking that he's marked down at coaching for both in 2019, so why bring a stat showing he did?
as to your questions, typically there condescending, mostly to provoke a argument, that much I understand, and I sure as hell don't know what any of this exposes about our new DC other then what I already said.
again I simply answered 004 with what appeared obvious answer
I didn't bring a stat that showed he coached for both in 2019... Wow... I brought stats showing defensive points per game for both schools while he was there and the years just before and after. Again, please try to understand what you are looking at before making conclusions. You shouldn't have to have had this spelled out for you at this point.
Questions are used to clarify. Your perceptions hold you back from having good conversations.
It wasn't the obvious answer because you had no idea what you were looking at. And you made a conclusion off that. [mention]BF004[/mention] asked a clarifying question. I didn't take offense. His question was answered.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Read posts and you would know the answer.Yoop wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 11:08bo ho, what would help EMMENSELY is for you to bring stats that show what they claim to, I admit to overlooking that he's marked down at coaching for both in 2019, so why bring a stat showing he did?
The whole point was to show the program's results before, during, and after Hafley was there. That way you can see what impact Hafley had on the results.go pak go wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 09:56
It was asked by YoHo and BF earlier in this thread:
1. What were OSU's defensive rankings before and after Hafley left?
2. Same for BC's stats
Pckfn23 simply brought in the data. Yes Pckfn23 should have had better headings on his data which lead to BF's questioning of the data. But you also answered a question you clearly didn't know which led to more confusion.
Was his defense good at Ohio State becuase it is Ohio State? Or did Hafley make Ohio State better or worse than normal during his time there?
Same question for BC which is what Pckfn23 brought to help spark conversation.
y Pckfn23 » Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:29 am
2018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game
2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game
this left a lot to the imagination, it doesn't explain any of your intentions about anything, just maybe a little clarity would help
2018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game
2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game
this left a lot to the imagination, it doesn't explain any of your intentions about anything, just maybe a little clarity would help
guilty for simply answering a question, Guilty for not looking 2 or 3 pages back for the question.go pak go wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 11:21Read posts and you would know the answer.
The whole point was to show the program's results before, during, and after Hafley was there. That way you can see what impact Hafley had on the results.go pak go wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 09:56
It was asked by YoHo and BF earlier in this thread:
1. What were OSU's defensive rankings before and after Hafley left?
2. Same for BC's stats
Pckfn23 simply brought in the data. Yes Pckfn23 should have had better headings on his data which lead to BF's questioning of the data. But you also answered a question you clearly didn't know which led to more confusion.
Was his defense good at Ohio State becuase it is Ohio State? Or did Hafley make Ohio State better or worse than normal during his time there?
Same question for BC which is what Pckfn23 brought to help spark conversation.
again the reason for Hafleys struggles in those programs is so obvious, no one needs this stuff to understand that, and it really doesn't explain anything.
you guys as always are just looking for a fight
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There weren't any intentions and it was supposed to be left to the imagination. Your mentality simply leads you to draw personal conclusions all the time instead of just reading and digesting the information before you. You may always post things with an agenda, but I do not. A lot of the time I just like to share information I find.Yoop wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 11:26y Pckfn23 » Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:29 am
2018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game
2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game
this left a lot to the imagination, it doesn't explain any of your intentions about anything, just maybe a little clarity would help
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
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Who said he struggled????Yoop wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 11:31guilty for simply answering a question, Guilty for not looking 2 or 3 pages back for the question.go pak go wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 11:21Read posts and you would know the answer.
The whole point was to show the program's results before, during, and after Hafley was there. That way you can see what impact Hafley had on the results.go pak go wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 09:56
It was asked by YoHo and BF earlier in this thread:
1. What were OSU's defensive rankings before and after Hafley left?
2. Same for BC's stats
Pckfn23 simply brought in the data. Yes Pckfn23 should have had better headings on his data which lead to BF's questioning of the data. But you also answered a question you clearly didn't know which led to more confusion.
Was his defense good at Ohio State becuase it is Ohio State? Or did Hafley make Ohio State better or worse than normal during his time there?
Same question for BC which is what Pckfn23 brought to help spark conversation.
again the reason for Hafleys struggles in those programs is so obvious, no one needs this stuff to understand that, and it really doesn't explain anything.
you guys as always are just looking for a fight
That very question proves it is not us, but you sir.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
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Who would have thought the above would lead to this...Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 08:292018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game
2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
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Its clear as day. You get the defensive ranking before, during, and after his arrival for both schools.Yoop wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024 11:26y Pckfn23 » Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:29 am
2018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game
2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game
this left a lot to the imagination, it doesn't explain any of your intentions about anything, just maybe a little clarity would help
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