2024 Draft Discussion

[NCF]

The rumor amongst the bloggers is Savage has been made an offer and he will test FA to get better.

This all sounds good to me. Savage on a one-year deal to hopefully be the 3rd Safety, Kyle Dugger as the FA addition, and both Safeties from The U in The Draft. Kinchens should be a higher pick, but they can get Williams as a hybrid DB later on.

[Labrev]

Is EDGE still on the table in Round 1? I think it may be:

--> We lost Enagbare. He is probably out for most of next year. So we lose one of our pass-rush specialists.
--> Even if we bring Smith back, his value is mainly what he brings against the run.
--> LVN was a very raw prospect. He looked good as a rookie, but may not be a full-time starter yet.
--> Gary is not elite (yet). He grades out at 80.0 on PFF, right on the line of above-average and good. He ran out of gas down the stretch. It may be a conditioning issue (didn't play a full year last year). We have reason to believe he can be elite, but not that he is, right now.
--> All that leaves us with is Brenton Cox, who might be a player, but who knows? Jonathan Garvin was a nice raw athletic talent, but it never worked out with him.

I see room for another EDGE, even if we bring back Smith, namely one a dynamic pass-rush specialist like Latu. If we do not bring him back, it is definitely a need.

I don't think DL is, because we already struggle apportioning reps between Clark, Slaton, Brooks, and Wyatt. Wooden could also be taking a step.

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[Backthepack4ever]

Is EDGE still on the table in Round 1? I think it may be:

--> We lost Enagbare. He is probably out for most of next year. So we lose one of our pass-rush specialists.
--> Even if we bring Smith back, his value is mainly what he brings against the run.
--> LVN was a very raw prospect. He looked good as a rookie, but may not be a full-time starter yet.
--> Gary is not elite (yet). He grades out at 80.0 on PFF, right on the line of above-average and good. He ran out of gas down the stretch. It may be a conditioning issue (didn't play a full year last year). We have reason to believe he can be elite, but not that he is, right now.
--> All that leaves us with is Brenton Cox, who might be a player, but who knows? Jonathan Garvin was a nice raw athletic talent, but it never worked out with him.

I see room for another EDGE, even if we bring back Smith, namely one a dynamic pass-rush specialist like Latu. If we do not bring him back, it is definitely a need.

I don't think DL is, because we already struggle apportioning reps between Clark, Slaton, Brooks, and Wyatt. Wooden could also be taking a step.

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Edge is always a position to add talent. I am never against upgrading

Preston is back. I don't see them moving on.

Hopefully Cox makes a jump. LVN should. Gary faded but came back from a tough injury. I expect a big 2024. GB can generate pressure from a lot of different guys

Latu is the best pass rusher in this draft. He was unreal last season. PFF had him at 96 I believe with a pass rush win rate at like 40%. That's insane. He's good against the run also. Only way e falls if the medical is bad. Otherwise he's top 10.

Darius Robinson is my dude day 2. He's big. Like 290 but moves like he's lighter. Had an amazing sr bowl. A better Preston smith down the road.

[YoHoChecko]

Robinson might have Senior Bowled his way into Day One

[lupedafiasco]

Taking an edge player in the first two rounds would be an incredibly stupid waste of resources in my book.

[TheSkeptic]

Taking an edge player in the first two rounds would be an incredibly stupid waste of resources in my book.

Correct. Since the Packers will be going to a 4 man line with 2 DT's and 2 DE's, they are all set. Gary, LVN, Smith and Wooden are the perfect size for a 4 man line defensive end. Brooks could lose 10 pounds or stay as a DT and gain 10. Cox and Engabare would need to gain weight and strength.

I see no reason to draft a pass rusher since the Packers already have 3 starters and a backup and Brooks can play either DE or DT.

Cox has no natural position any more. At 250 pounds he should gain 20 pounds to play DE or lose 15 pounds to play 4-2 ILB. He has no experience covering TE's or RB's out of the backfield so I would trade him rather than sit him another year while he learns loses significant weight and learns pass coverage. He is a very promising 3-4 OLB and someone would give us a starting safety or ILB for him who would be much more help to the team this coming season.

But if the team thinks that Cox can lose the 15 pounds and gain speed and agility and learn to be a good ILB, well then trade Smith who is getting long in the tooth anyway. Gary, LVN and Wooden can handle the DE rotation until Engabare returns and Brooks could play the position in an emergency. It is very likely that a playoff quality team would trade a very good ILB or Safety for Preston.

Of course if the Packers can unload Bakh's 40 mil cap, then signing the best available FA ILB, Safety, RB or CB could be a better option and use the draft for the other positions.

[lupedafiasco]

I think there’s value in getting one in the 3rd or 4th. Preston is likely in his last year. Enagbare isn’t really resign worthy. Cox is meh. It would be good to get a guy to develop and help the rotation until Enagbare gets back.

They for sure need to take one edge just not early. I see absolutely no reason though to take a DT at all.

[YoHoChecko]

They for sure need to take one edge just not early. I see absolutely no reason though to take a DT at all.

I actually think there’s a good case for the next Slaton. A developmental day three nose. Those guys need a year and Slaton may not be re-sign worthy next year either

[lupedafiasco]

They for sure need to take one edge just not early. I see absolutely no reason though to take a DT at all.

I actually think there’s a good case for the next Slaton. A developmental day three nose. Those guys need a year and Slaton may not be re-sign worthy next year either

Who do you replace? Or are you carrying 6 DTs? There is already Clark, Wyatt, Wooden, Slaton, and Brooks. That doesn’t include some reps that could be had from LVN inside.

I think it’s a year early to go DT.

[BF004]

I think there’s value in getting one in the 3rd or 4th. Preston is likely in his last year. Enagbare isn’t really resign worthy. Cox is meh. It would be good to get a guy to develop and help the rotation until Enagbare gets back.

They for sure need to take one edge just not early. I see absolutely no reason though to take a DT at all.

I think I could get behind a DT.

Kenny and Slaton both FA's after this season Probably not financially smart to resign both, maybe even either. Wyatt isn't really showing he can be that guy yet. Brooks and Wooden both had a few flashes, but also no indication they are going to become quality 600-700 snap a year guys.

[wallyuwl]

I think I could get behind a DT.

Kenny and Slaton both FA's after this season Probably not financially smart to resign both, maybe even either. Wyatt isn't really showing he can be that guy yet. Brooks and Wooden both had a few flashes, but also no indication they are going to become quality 600-700 snap a year guys.

Chances of Wyatt ever showing that are slim. He will be collecting social security soon.

[lupedafiasco]

I think I could get behind a DT.

Kenny and Slaton both FA's after this season Probably not financially smart to resign both, maybe even either. Wyatt isn't really showing he can be that guy yet. Brooks and Wooden both had a few flashes, but also no indication they are going to become quality 600-700 snap a year guys.

Chances of Wyatt ever showing that are slim. He will be collecting social security soon.

Wyatt’s been really good rushing the passer. It’s his tackling that is ungodly bad. He needs to learn to get people to the ground. They all slide off him.

[Labrev]

I think we have too much young talent to draft a DT, other than a late-round flyer. There are no Dean Lowry's in the group that you want to upgrade over because they lack talent/upside (only Clark is expensive but he is a high-end starter) and saves money by moving on from them.

EDGE is interesting because we can fit in a guy, giving him Enagbare's snaps (some of which will go to LVN, but still). You can also always count on an injury causing someone in the rotation to miss significant time every year. And then longer-term you want a guy to replace Preston and Enagbare.

It's not what I would do, I am just mentally preparing for what GB might do. It would be pretty on-brand for us.

[Backthepack4ever]

Taking an edge player in the first two rounds would be an incredibly stupid waste of resources in my book.

Correct. Since the Packers will be going to a 4 man line with 2 DT's and 2 DE's, they are all set. Gary, LVN, Smith and Wooden are the perfect size for a 4 man line defensive end. Brooks could lose 10 pounds or stay as a DT and gain 10. Cox and Engabare would need to gain weight and strength.

I see no reason to draft a pass rusher since the Packers already have 3 starters and a backup and Brooks can play either DE or DT.

Cox has no natural position any more. At 250 pounds he should gain 20 pounds to play DE or lose 15 pounds to play 4-2 ILB. He has no experience covering TE's or RB's out of the backfield so I would trade him rather than sit him another year while he learns loses significant weight and learns pass coverage. He is a very promising 3-4 OLB and someone would give us a starting safety or ILB for him who would be much more help to the team this coming season.

But if the team thinks that Cox can lose the 15 pounds and gain speed and agility and learn to be a good ILB, well then trade Smith who is getting long in the tooth anyway. Gary, LVN and Wooden can handle the DE rotation until Engabare returns and Brooks could play the position in an emergency. It is very likely that a playoff quality team would trade a very good ILB or Safety for Preston.

Of course if the Packers can unload Bakh's 40 mil cap, then signing the best available FA ILB, Safety, RB or CB could be a better option and use the draft for the other positions.

Nobody is trading starters for cox. Nobody is trading for smith.

Weight just to fit a label of a certain position isn't really concerning to me. Yes we are switching to an even front base. We won't be in base every often. If guys can play and get after QBs they will find ways to use them whether it's in a 3 point stance or standing up. Just ask Hassan Reddick who you use to hunt QBs anyway you can

Point being I wouldn't close the door on anyone on the roster yet and I am open to drafting most positions any round of it's going to improve the roster for now and/or the future. Example. It would be foolish to pass up an edge if you feel is a future pro bowler bc we have a need at safety for a guy who is a jag.

I'm all good with best value available if 2 prospects are in the same tier

[Yoop]

Taking an edge player in the first two rounds would be an incredibly stupid waste of resources in my book.

Correct. Since the Packers will be going to a 4 man line with 2 DT's and 2 DE's, they are all set. Gary, LVN, Smith and Wooden are the perfect size for a 4 man line defensive end. Brooks could lose 10 pounds or stay as a DT and gain 10. Cox and Engabare would need to gain weight and strength.

I see no reason to draft a pass rusher since the Packers already have 3 starters and a backup and Brooks can play either DE or DT.

Cox has no natural position any more. At 250 pounds he should gain 20 pounds to play DE or lose 15 pounds to play 4-2 ILB. He has no experience covering TE's or RB's out of the backfield so I would trade him rather than sit him another year while he learns loses significant weight and learns pass coverage. He is a very promising 3-4 OLB and someone would give us a starting safety or ILB for him who would be much more help to the team this coming season.

But if the team thinks that Cox can lose the 15 pounds and gain speed and agility and learn to be a good ILB, well then trade Smith who is getting long in the tooth anyway. Gary, LVN and Wooden can handle the DE rotation until Engabare returns and Brooks could play the position in an emergency. It is very likely that a playoff quality team would trade a very good ILB or Safety for Preston.

Of course if the Packers can unload Bakh's 40 mil cap, then signing the best available FA ILB, Safety, RB or CB could be a better option and use the draft for the other positions.

Nobody is trading starters for cox. Nobody is trading for smith.

Weight just to fit a label of a certain position isn't really concerning to me. Yes we are switching to an even front base. We won't be in base every often. If guys can play and get after QBs they will find ways to use them whether it's in a 3 point stance or standing up. Just ask Hassan Reddick who you use to hunt QBs anyway you can

Point being I wouldn't close the door on anyone on the roster yet and I am open to drafting most positions any round of it's going to improve the roster for now and/or the future. Example. It would be foolish to pass up an edge if you feel is a future pro bowler bc we have a need at safety for a guy who is a jag.

I'm all good with best value available if 2 prospects are in the same tier

almost every mock I've seen has us taking a OL with the our first pick, another had us taking a CB

[Backthepack4ever]

Correct. Since the Packers will be going to a 4 man line with 2 DT's and 2 DE's, they are all set. Gary, LVN, Smith and Wooden are the perfect size for a 4 man line defensive end. Brooks could lose 10 pounds or stay as a DT and gain 10. Cox and Engabare would need to gain weight and strength.

I see no reason to draft a pass rusher since the Packers already have 3 starters and a backup and Brooks can play either DE or DT.

Cox has no natural position any more. At 250 pounds he should gain 20 pounds to play DE or lose 15 pounds to play 4-2 ILB. He has no experience covering TE's or RB's out of the backfield so I would trade him rather than sit him another year while he learns loses significant weight and learns pass coverage. He is a very promising 3-4 OLB and someone would give us a starting safety or ILB for him who would be much more help to the team this coming season.

But if the team thinks that Cox can lose the 15 pounds and gain speed and agility and learn to be a good ILB, well then trade Smith who is getting long in the tooth anyway. Gary, LVN and Wooden can handle the DE rotation until Engabare returns and Brooks could play the position in an emergency. It is very likely that a playoff quality team would trade a very good ILB or Safety for Preston.

Of course if the Packers can unload Bakh's 40 mil cap, then signing the best available FA ILB, Safety, RB or CB could be a better option and use the draft for the other positions.

Nobody is trading starters for cox. Nobody is trading for smith.

Weight just to fit a label of a certain position isn't really concerning to me. Yes we are switching to an even front base. We won't be in base every often. If guys can play and get after QBs they will find ways to use them whether it's in a 3 point stance or standing up. Just ask Hassan Reddick who you use to hunt QBs anyway you can

Point being I wouldn't close the door on anyone on the roster yet and I am open to drafting most positions any round of it's going to improve the roster for now and/or the future. Example. It would be foolish to pass up an edge if you feel is a future pro bowler bc we have a need at safety for a guy who is a jag.

I'm all good with best value available if 2 prospects are in the same tier

almost every mock I've seen has us taking a OL with the our first pick, another had us taking a CB

No issues with either. Both should have nice options

[BF004]

Well if we passed on Love in ‘20, we weren’t getting a QB in ‘21.

By the start of the season, maybe 1 QB will still be on their original team by year 4.

Although I would expect Mac Jones to stick around and compete with whatever rookie they get at 3.

[Yoop]

Well if we passed on Love in ‘20, we weren’t getting a QB in ‘21.

By the start of the season, maybe 1 QB will still be on their original team by year 4.

Although I would expect Mac Jones to stick around and compete with whatever rookie they get at 3.

did any team use the Packer plan to develop there babies, seems like most of those babies where expected to walk right away, continued to stumble, and now there all on life support

to me this becomes another to much thinking issue, always felt to much thinking has been a issue with our defensive secondary, it's why we so much broken coverage, to much thinking when you should already be reacting, coaches always harped on that.

[BF004]

Well if we passed on Love in ‘20, we weren’t getting a QB in ‘21.

By the start of the season, maybe 1 QB will still be on their original team by year 4.

Although I would expect Mac Jones to stick around and compete with whatever rookie they get at 3.

did any team use the Packer plan to develop there babies, seems like most of those babies where expected to walk right away, continued to stumble, and now there all on life support

I mean, all kind of.

I think Lawrence was the only QB starting out of the gate.

They can also just be bad QBs.

[go pak go]

I adamantly believe Jordan Love is a bust if he wasn't drafted by Green Bay.