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I bring it up so that we can talk about these subjects without having to needlessly debate the factual definitions. I would love to talk about why we see some of those things, but not if we have to go down the rabbit hole first.
Whoa, hold on there! I'm gonna need you to define "rabbit hole" before we go any further. Are we talkin' North American rabbit holes, or European rabbit holes? And where does Bug Bunny fit into this?
I guess we are down there regardless of the species...
you just took it there, Encyclopedia
According to Merriam-Webster, up-tempo means having a fast-moving tempo. For example, you might describe music as up-tempo if it has a fast beat. You can also use the term to describe a style of basketball that is aggressive and fast-moving. (football)
no mention of up tempo being strictly a term for no huddle, nor was I referencing it in that manor, mostly that I expect to see more hurry up offense in the league, because I'am convinced it does help protect the QB.
you turned a simple conversation into a drawn out back and forth because that is what you always do, sigh
no mention of up tempo being strictly a term for no huddle, nor was I referencing it in that manor, mostly that I expect to see more hurry up offense in the league, because I'am convinced it does help protect the QB.
no mention of up tempo being strictly a term for no huddle, nor was I referencing it in that manor, mostly that I expect to see more hurry up offense in the league, because I'am convinced it does help protect the QB.
It's just not what that means.
excuse me for not having my football dictionary for every comment I make, I think the webster definition is what ya'll new I meant, however then ya wouldn't be able to be tribal and twist up my opinion, which is exactly what 23 did.
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According to Merriam-Webster, up-tempo means having a fast-moving tempo. For example, you might describe music as up-tempo if it has a fast beat. You can also use the term to describe a style of basketball that is aggressive and fast-moving. (football)
no mention of up tempo being strictly a term for no huddle, nor was I referencing it in that manor, mostly that I expect to see more hurry up offense in the league, because I'am convinced it does help protect the QB.
Yes, hurry-up and up-tempo are synonymous. They have to do with pace of play and getting in as many plays as possible. It has little to do with how quickly the QB gets rid of the ball.
I agree with you that a quick passing offense does protect the QB, but that is not an up-tempo offense.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
According to Merriam-Webster, up-tempo means having a fast-moving tempo. For example, you might describe music as up-tempo if it has a fast beat. You can also use the term to describe a style of basketball that is aggressive and fast-moving. (football)
no mention of up tempo being strictly a term for no huddle, nor was I referencing it in that manor, mostly that I expect to see more hurry up offense in the league, because I'am convinced it does help protect the QB.
Yes, hurry-up and up-tempo are synonymous. They have to do with pace of play and getting in as many plays as possible. It has little to do with how quickly the QB gets rid of the ball.
I agree with you that a quick passing offense does protect the QB, but that is not an up-tempo offense.
never meant no huddle, to me up tempo means exactly what web defined it as, speeding up the play, some guy/coach termed it no huddle in the football sense of it and it stuck, but that is not the true definition of the word.
According to Merriam-Webster, up-tempo means having a fast-moving tempo. For example, you might describe music as up-tempo if it has a fast beat. You can also use the term to describe a style of basketball that is aggressive and fast-moving. (football)
no mention of up tempo being strictly a term for no huddle, nor was I referencing it in that manor, mostly that I expect to see more hurry up offense in the league, because I'am convinced it does help protect the QB.
Yes, hurry-up and up-tempo are synonymous. They have to do with pace of play and getting in as many plays as possible. It has little to do with how quickly the QB gets rid of the ball.
I agree with you that a quick passing offense does protect the QB, but that is not an up-tempo offense.
never meant no huddle, to me up tempo means exactly what web defined it as, speeding up the play, some guy/coach termed it no huddle in the football sense of it and it stuck, but that is not the true definition of the word.
your a walking football encyclopedia
The web did not define it as speeding up the play as it is happening. Up tempo, in American football, has always meant speeding up the pace and getting in as many plays as effectively possible. This is a 100% across the board accepted definition. No huddle pretty much has to happen to play an up tempo offense or else the benefits of up tempo (getting in more play and catching the defense in a personnel group) aren't there.
If we are going to talk about up tempo, great, but we can't do that if you believe it is one thing and the rest of the football world believe it is another.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
ya wouldn't be able to be tribal and twist up my opinion, which is exactly what you and 23 did.
At least tell me you watched that video and appreciated the humor.
I did, and I laughed, thank you.
I also deleted YOU in that post, I was seeing red at the time, and later realized you were simply saying both of us might be right.
seriously, I don't keep up with all this football jargon, the football pundits create new names for old stuff every day, I can't and don't bother to keep up, no huddle is what I see, but it surely doesn't encompass the true meaning of the term HURRY UP.
my point was, and it's just my opinion, that teams will use more hurry up type schemes to protect these 220 million dollar investments, but we'll see.
Yes, hurry-up and up-tempo are synonymous. They have to do with pace of play and getting in as many plays as possible. It has little to do with how quickly the QB gets rid of the ball.
I agree with you that a quick passing offense does protect the QB, but that is not an up-tempo offense.
never meant no huddle, to me up tempo means exactly what web defined it as, speeding up the play, some guy/coach termed it no huddle in the football sense of it and it stuck, but that is not the true definition of the word.
your a walking football encyclopedia
The web did not define it as speeding up the play as it is happening. Up tempo, in American football, has always meant speeding up the pace and getting in as many plays as effectively possible. This is a 100% across the board accepted definition. No huddle pretty much has to happen to play an up tempo offense or else the benefits of up tempo (getting in more play and catching the defense in a personnel group) aren't there.
If we are going to talk about up tempo, great, but we can't do that if you believe it is one thing and the rest of the football world believe it is another.
To be fair, up-tempo could also include Aaron Rodgers actually huddling up the offense, lining them up, and then snapping the ball with, say, 10 seconds remaining on the play clock rather than the customary 0. He’d not only be speeding up play, he’d also likely catch the defense sleeping thinking they had another 10 seconds of watching him bark out fake calls, WRs exhausting themselves while aimlessly running back and forth in motion, and the HC running down the sideline preparing to call a timeout should he mistime his customary play clock bleed off down to zero.
Yes, hurry-up and up-tempo are synonymous. They have to do with pace of play and getting in as many plays as possible. It has little to do with how quickly the QB gets rid of the ball.
I agree with you that a quick passing offense does protect the QB, but that is not an up-tempo offense.
never meant no huddle, to me up tempo means exactly what web defined it as, speeding up the play, some guy/coach termed it no huddle in the football sense of it and it stuck, but that is not the true definition of the word.
your a walking football encyclopedia
The web did not define it as speeding up the play as it is happening. Up tempo, in American football, has always meant speeding up the pace and getting in as many plays as effectively possible. This is a 100% across the board accepted definition. No huddle pretty much has to happen to play an up tempo offense or else the benefits of up tempo (getting in more play and catching the defense in a personnel group) aren't there.
If we are going to talk about up tempo, great, but we can't do that if you believe it is one thing and the rest of the football world believe it is another.
no huddle, and up tempo are completely different things, and web did point that out, so stop telling me what the definition is for UP TEMPO, it can mean the speed up of snap, and until the ball is out of the QB's hand, which was exactly the point I was attempting to make, you got so caught up with defining the football terms you didn't even take time to understand my point.
Up tempo, in American football, has always meant speeding up the pace, yep, and it means that whether we huddle or we don't huddle. everything else you added in that sentence is optional.
never meant no huddle, to me up tempo means exactly what web defined it as, speeding up the play, some guy/coach termed it no huddle in the football sense of it and it stuck, but that is not the true definition of the word.
your a walking football encyclopedia
The web did not define it as speeding up the play as it is happening. Up tempo, in American football, has always meant speeding up the pace and getting in as many plays as effectively possible. This is a 100% across the board accepted definition. No huddle pretty much has to happen to play an up tempo offense or else the benefits of up tempo (getting in more play and catching the defense in a personnel group) aren't there.
If we are going to talk about up tempo, great, but we can't do that if you believe it is one thing and the rest of the football world believe it is another.
To be fair, up-tempo could also include Aaron Rodgers actually huddling up the offense, lining them up, and then snapping the ball with, say, 10 seconds remaining on the play clock rather than the customary 0. He’d not only be speeding up play, he’d also likely catch the defense sleeping thinking they had another 10 seconds of watching him bark out fake calls, WRs exhausting themselves while aimlessly running back and forth in motion, and the HC running down the sideline preparing to call a timeout should he mistime his customary play clock bleed off down to zero.
Up tempo. Just sayin’…
In a more specific sense, yes, absolutely. It would be up tempo, for them. When talking about running an up tempo offense in general, it is as I describe.
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Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
never meant no huddle, to me up tempo means exactly what web defined it as, speeding up the play, some guy/coach termed it no huddle in the football sense of it and it stuck, but that is not the true definition of the word.
your a walking football encyclopedia
The web did not define it as speeding up the play as it is happening. Up tempo, in American football, has always meant speeding up the pace and getting in as many plays as effectively possible. This is a 100% across the board accepted definition. No huddle pretty much has to happen to play an up tempo offense or else the benefits of up tempo (getting in more play and catching the defense in a personnel group) aren't there.
If we are going to talk about up tempo, great, but we can't do that if you believe it is one thing and the rest of the football world believe it is another.
no huddle, and up tempo are completely different things, and web did point that out,
No huddle and up tempo are 2 different concepts, but up tempo almost always includes no huddle. Where did "web" point out any differently?
so stop telling me what the definition is for UP TEMPO, it can mean the speed up of snap, and until the ball is out of the QB's hand, which was exactly the point I was attempting to make,
No, it is not the latter. Up tempo does not refer to how fast the QB gets the ball out of his hand.
you got so caught up with defining the football terms you didn't even take time to understand my point.
I did take time to understand your point, several times. I even gave you the term you were describing (quick passing game) and told you I agree that the quick passing game helps protect the QB.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
We go through this every year... Up tempo DOES NOT mean quick passes.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
We go through this every year... Up tempo DOES NOT mean quick passes.
UP tempo means what webster said it is, speeding things up, and that can include no huddle, Huddle, whatever, you can do no huddle and also use every tick on the clock, or you can huddle, and out the ball from the QB in 1 (one ) tick.
just stop your insane idea that everything has to mean whatever you say it means, you destroyed simple conversation by being a jerk. thats what we go through every year
We go through this every year... Up tempo DOES NOT mean quick passes.
UP tempo means what webster said it is, speeding things up, and that can include no huddle, Huddle, whatever, you can do no huddle and also use every tick on the clock, or you can huddle, and out the ball from the QB in 1 (one ) tick.
just stop your insane idea that everything has to mean whatever you say it means, you destroyed simple conversation by being a jerk. thats what we go through every year
Up Tempo does not mean how fast the QB gets the ball out of his hand. It never has and never will and not even "web" or "dicitonary" or "webster" say otherwise. Only yoop believes differently. Maybe that should show you who is insane...
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Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
We go through this every year... Up tempo DOES NOT mean quick passes.
Yeah, language and communication tends to work best when people mean the same thing with a word or term.
But yoop has decided that his own definition of "up tempo", while different from EVERYONE ELSE'S use of the term, is the right one.
I mean, I kinda understand his confusion/definition: On a quick pass, a QB has an internal clock that should tell him to get rid of the pass quickly. Kinda like that internal clock would have....a faster tempo, "up tempo" if you will, than a usual internal clock on a non-quick pass.
In a different universe, that COULD conceivably be called "up tempo". Unfortunately for yoop, in this one we inhabit, it just isn't. It's just called a quick pass or getting rid of the ball quickly.
In this universe, "up tempo" means to run an offense that tries to go fast from play-to-play, spending as little time between the end of one play to the next snap as possible, and it has nothing to do with a QB's internal clock or time from snap to pass.
According to Merriam-Webster, up-tempo means having a fast-moving tempo. For example, you might describe music as up-tempo if it has a fast beat. You can also use the term to describe a style of basketball that is aggressive and fast-moving.
the term no huddle isn't mentioned anywhere with the webster definition, not anywhere, this isn't yoop making up a damn thing
heres my lead in, and Lafleur obviously sped up snap to trigger for Willis, that is speeding up tempo,
I think we'll see more teams using motion, and play action, imo the goal is protecting the QB, we watched Lafleur design more up tempo for Willis, but he did this for Love and would have with AR too, except Rodgers specialty was extending the play.
We do this every year multiple times a year. Yoops gonna believe what he wants to believe. Just gotta move on.
Lupe, I'am not wrong concerning anything I've said, not one iota, no huddle term is just that, a term given for a play schemed prior, thats it, and that is all it is, up tempo includes not only that but every other play where the snap is closely followed by the QB releasing the ball.
and there is no way I'll allow people in this forum to change my opinion about that, I bet you could ask a damn ten year old about this and get the same answer I just gave..
I may mis spell words, or even get some mixed up, but I been doing and watching football long enough to spot bu ll sh it when I see it
up tempo includes not only that but every other play where the snap is closely followed by the QB releasing the ball.
Incorrect.
and there is no way I'll allow people in this forum to change my opinion about that, I bet you could ask a damn ten year old about this and get the same answer I just gave..
It's not opinion, it's fact that you are getting wrong.
You could ask every coach in football and they will say you are wrong.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
