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Yeah I will just say you never really heard all this stuff under MM and TT.
Under this regime you had Adams say he would never play for us again. Zadarius got super weird. Rodgers wanted out of here badly. Jaire was acting up. Now you have Doubs.
we live in the era of primadonna's maybe it's always been this way, and the amount of the money exaggerates the issue.
years ago players that bitched and wanted trades were minimal because if what you wanted was unrealistic at all, you were scorned and probably black listed, probably to the extent of sitting a year before a GM or owner even gave ya a interview, now we have owners and GM's that will bid to get ya, it's a different playing field now.
if Doubs wants a trade this is what he has to do to get one, jmo
I'm pulling for Romeo to fully bounce back and contribute at a high level.
He's gone, there working on a trade as we speak.
Just kidding, I don't know that, but it makes sense to me, Doubs could be a #1 for a bunch of teams, take away Reed and he's a #1 right here.
again though, this seems like a personality clash as well as just his place in the pecking order, Love has spoken so highly of Doubs, so Rome knows he wont be over looked very long, so this seems like more then whats being said openly on the media feeds, bummer because Doubs seems so much better to me then I think people give him credit for
I have said time and time again that when it comes to football, all I care about is championships. God bless Romeo with whatever issues he's dealing with but at the end of the day, whatever move the organization makes should be about prioritizing championships. It should be the individual players' responsibility to procure the mental health treatment that they may need, if that is an issue. Based on what I know about this situation, I would give Doubs 1 chance. This should be his 1 chance to pull something like this. He is not a #1, but he is good enough that his presence on the field as a #2 or #3 could make the difference in a deep playoff run. Because of this, he gets 1 get out of jail free card. But if it happens again, time to say adios.
I sympathize with these opinions, but:
What if there is another team with 4 guard/centers all of whom are better than anyone we have at RG and 2 of them are still on their rookie contract. They desperately need a good WR, if not a #1 then a very good #2. Do you not talk to them and make the trade for one of the young linemen? Doubs is a very good receiver but the Packers need an upgrade in the Oline more than they need Doubs.
Of course if there is no other team that badly needs Doubs and will pay with similar or more talent, then I totally agree with you, at least until the end of the season.
Obviously if the stars align and an opportunity like that arises, I'm on board with moving him.
"It's better to decide wrongly than weakly; if you're weak, you're likely to be wrong anyway."
- Bill Parcells
No team in the NFL is trading a lineman for a WR. There’s already an Oline shortage as it is compared to a WR surplus.
I think if we are going to trade Doubs it’ll be for a pick. We have 6 picks next year as things stand and will not receive any additional compensatory picks. I would think his value is at best a 5th after this incident and only having 1 year remaining on his deal after this season.
I have said time and time again that when it comes to football, all I care about is championships. God bless Romeo with whatever issues he's dealing with but at the end of the day, whatever move the organization makes should be about prioritizing championships. It should be the individual players' responsibility to procure the mental health treatment that they may need, if that is an issue. Based on what I know about this situation, I would give Doubs 1 chance. This should be his 1 chance to pull something like this. He is not a #1, but he is good enough that his presence on the field as a #2 or #3 could make the difference in a deep playoff run. Because of this, he gets 1 get out of jail free card. But if it happens again, time to say adios.
any GM that just thinks of Championships is in a bread line, your thinking of some owners in this league
players act like this for reasons, true many are prima donna's, but typically something is actually wrong, Jaire was sick and tired of a terrible DC that couldn't pour !@#$ from a boot minus instructions on the heel and everyone here new it and Lafluer was not holding him and others accountable for the terrible start to the season last year, stud players also want to win Championships, or in our case last season, just games, and it wasn't happening then, just as now with Doubs, the guy is open as much as any other receiver and he isn't getting the ball at critical times, like 3rd downs or in the red zone, you'd complain to in his shoes.
I have said time and time again that when it comes to football, all I care about is championships. God bless Romeo with whatever issues he's dealing with but at the end of the day, whatever move the organization makes should be about prioritizing championships. It should be the individual players' responsibility to procure the mental health treatment that they may need, if that is an issue. Based on what I know about this situation, I would give Doubs 1 chance. This should be his 1 chance to pull something like this. He is not a #1, but he is good enough that his presence on the field as a #2 or #3 could make the difference in a deep playoff run. Because of this, he gets 1 get out of jail free card. But if it happens again, time to say adios.
any GM that just thinks of Championships is in a bread line, your thinking of some owners in this league
players act like this for reasons, true many are prima donna's, but typically something is actually wrong, Jaire was sick and tired of a terrible DC that couldn't pour !@#$ from a boot minus instructions on the heel and everyone here new it and Lafluer was not holding him and others accountable for the terrible start to the season last year, stud players also want to win Championships, or in our case last season, just games, and it wasn't happening then, just as now with Doubs, the guy is open as much as any other receiver and he isn't getting the ball at critical times, like 3rd downs or in the red zone, you'd complain to in his shoes.
Any GM who isn't thinking of championships belongs in a $%@# bread line and that is right where I'd put them if they worked for my team.
"It's better to decide wrongly than weakly; if you're weak, you're likely to be wrong anyway."
- Bill Parcells
I have said for a long time I don’t believe the Packers organization from the top down have winning a championship as their top priority. I don’t think there’s any pressure on them to actually win it all.
They just want sustained success so they can keep their jobs. There are pros to having sustained success but at some point there needs to be pressure to win it all. All these other teams get into an arms race as the season progresses to give themselves the best chance to win. The Packers typically miss out and it’s a reason they can’t get over the hump.
I have said time and time again that when it comes to football, all I care about is championships. God bless Romeo with whatever issues he's dealing with but at the end of the day, whatever move the organization makes should be about prioritizing championships. It should be the individual players' responsibility to procure the mental health treatment that they may need, if that is an issue. Based on what I know about this situation, I would give Doubs 1 chance. This should be his 1 chance to pull something like this. He is not a #1, but he is good enough that his presence on the field as a #2 or #3 could make the difference in a deep playoff run. Because of this, he gets 1 get out of jail free card. But if it happens again, time to say adios.
any GM that just thinks of Championships is in a bread line, your thinking of some owners in this league
players act like this for reasons, true many are prima donna's, but typically something is actually wrong, Jaire was sick and tired of a terrible DC that couldn't pour !@#$ from a boot minus instructions on the heel and everyone here new it and Lafluer was not holding him and others accountable for the terrible start to the season last year, stud players also want to win Championships, or in our case last season, just games, and it wasn't happening then, just as now with Doubs, the guy is open as much as any other receiver and he isn't getting the ball at critical times, like 3rd downs or in the red zone, you'd complain to in his shoes.
Any GM who isn't thinking of championships belongs in a $%@# bread line and that is right where I'd put them if they worked for my team.
we've seen GM's sell the farm to win it all and most fail, the best GM's build the best team resources allow, minus ruining the future to accomplish it, that was my point.
I have said for a long time I don’t believe the Packers organization from the top down have winning a championship as their top priority. I don’t think there’s any pressure on them to actually win it all.
They just want sustained success so they can keep their jobs. There are pros to having sustained success but at some point there needs to be pressure to win it all. All these other teams get into an arms race as the season progresses to give themselves the best chance to win. The Packers typically miss out and it’s a reason they can’t get over the hump.
I think you truly believe this, but I really disagree. I just think there are multiple ways to go about it and the Packers methodology of not putting all their eggs in one basket allows for sustained success and an annual shot at having a team that can win it all. I just don't agree with building paper champions. It rarely works out and that is evidenced by Aaron's final years.
I wonder if we'll get any details on Doubs' absence, or if they'll keep it internal and hush hush. What am I saying? This is the Packers; we'll never hear anything.
"Yeah, I'm looking forward to our conversation tomorrow," LaFleur said. "I fully anticipate him coming back, and I'm hopeful he'll come back and get ready to work.
[Jayden] Reed said he spoke to Doubs, who's "doing good."
“We didn’t lose the game; we just ran out of time.”
- Vince Lombardi
I have said for a long time I don’t believe the Packers organization from the top down have winning a championship as their top priority. I don’t think there’s any pressure on them to actually win it all.
They just want sustained success so they can keep their jobs. There are pros to having sustained success but at some point there needs to be pressure to win it all. All these other teams get into an arms race as the season progresses to give themselves the best chance to win. The Packers typically miss out and it’s a reason they can’t get over the hump.
I think you truly believe this, but I really disagree. I just think there are multiple ways to go about it and the Packers methodology of not putting all their eggs in one basket allows for sustained success and an annual shot at having a team that can win it all. I just don't agree with building paper champions. It rarely works out and that is evidenced by Aaron's final years.
My Thoughts exactly. I prefer the approach of trying to put together a playoff caliber team each year. The teams that win it all have to get to the playoffs first and foremost. From there, there is a ton of luck. Get to the playoffs on a hot streak and relatively healthy and you've got a shot.
I have said for a long time I don’t believe the Packers organization from the top down have winning a championship as their top priority. I don’t think there’s any pressure on them to actually win it all.
They just want sustained success so they can keep their jobs. There are pros to having sustained success but at some point there needs to be pressure to win it all. All these other teams get into an arms race as the season progresses to give themselves the best chance to win. The Packers typically miss out and it’s a reason they can’t get over the hump.
I think you truly believe this, but I really disagree. I just think there are multiple ways to go about it and the Packers methodology of not putting all their eggs in one basket allows for sustained success and an annual shot at having a team that can win it all. I just don't agree with building paper champions. It rarely works out and that is evidenced by Aaron's final years.
My Thoughts exactly. I prefer the approach of trying to put together a playoff caliber team each year. The teams that win it all have to get to the playoffs first and foremost. From there, there is a ton of luck. Get to the playoffs on a hot streak and relatively healthy and you've got a shot.
the problem with GBs approach is that no team wins a SB with one or more areas of the team that are just AWFUL. The area that is AWFUL gets exploited and you lose a playoff game. For us you can just pick the year...it might be the STs, maybe the secondary, its been "stopping the run", and even "WR not named davante"....we too often know we have a weakness in preseason and we dont address it. I would say this year the glaring spot is the FG kicker, but that can still improve.
Most SB teams that pay the QB need a few other stars to play like stars and then be average at all the other spots. Just no obvious glaring holes. We have too often shown up to a gun fight with a nerf gun in certain areas.
The Packers had a pretty awful running game, strong safety, and Edge group in 2010. They came together to play, got hot at the right time, and won the super bowl.
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I have said for a long time I don’t believe the Packers organization from the top down have winning a championship as their top priority. I don’t think there’s any pressure on them to actually win it all.
They just want sustained success so they can keep their jobs. There are pros to having sustained success but at some point there needs to be pressure to win it all. All these other teams get into an arms race as the season progresses to give themselves the best chance to win. The Packers typically miss out and it’s a reason they can’t get over the hump.
I think you truly believe this, but I really disagree. I just think there are multiple ways to go about it and the Packers methodology of not putting all their eggs in one basket allows for sustained success and an annual shot at having a team that can win it all. I just don't agree with building paper champions. It rarely works out and that is evidenced by Aaron's final years.
My Thoughts exactly. I prefer the approach of trying to put together a playoff caliber team each year. The teams that win it all have to get to the playoffs first and foremost. From there, there is a ton of luck. Get to the playoffs on a hot streak and relatively healthy and you've got a shot.
My issue is when you know at the trade deadline or weeks before the playoffs you need to make the moves to help give your team an edge. The Buccs went and got Antonio Brown. Was he a headcase? Yes. But he caught a TD in the SB and helped them win. The Rams went and got OBJ. Was he a headcase? Yes. But he caught a TD in the SB. The Chiefs trade for Kadarius Toney. Was he a headcase? Yes. But he caught a TD in the SB. The Chiefs last year trade for Mecole Hardman and he scores a TD in the SB.
I have said this time and time again. The league has gone the way of the NBA. When the deadline comes around and you feel you are a contender you need to be a buyer. We have consistently been left behind in the arms race over the years and to make matter worse we could have gotten a player that probably would have fixed our weakest position group.
This team views winning a SB as a bonus. Not the goal.
I have said for a long time I don’t believe the Packers organization from the top down have winning a championship as their top priority. I don’t think there’s any pressure on them to actually win it all.
They just want sustained success so they can keep their jobs. There are pros to having sustained success but at some point there needs to be pressure to win it all. All these other teams get into an arms race as the season progresses to give themselves the best chance to win. The Packers typically miss out and it’s a reason they can’t get over the hump.
I think you truly believe this, but I really disagree. I just think there are multiple ways to go about it and the Packers methodology of not putting all their eggs in one basket allows for sustained success and an annual shot at having a team that can win it all. I just don't agree with building paper champions. It rarely works out and that is evidenced by Aaron's final years.
Lupe isn't the only one who thinks that way, I hear it from other Packer fans, they say we don't have a owner to make them accountable, instead a board of directors and president who care more about Lambeau attractions and job security, calm waters, versus a rocky boat, then what's wrong and needs fixing with the team.
I could see were that may be true of us back in the late 70's and 80's, but now I think it's simply some poor drafts, some bad luck with injuries, while we complain about coaches, I think more so it's my prior two reasons
lafleur has grown more and more of a spine every year he has been here. If he keeps winning and getting close, but no SB...no doubt he will start to make roster demands eventually. As of now he seems to have the least amount of input of anyone who has been resigned and won as much as he has. think about it...
lafleur has grown more and more of a spine every year he has been here. If he keeps winning and getting close, but no SB...no doubt he will start to make roster demands eventually. As of now he seems to have the least amount of input of anyone who has been resigned and won as much as he has. think about it...
what makes you think McKinney was not a demand, or drafting 2 TE's and 7 receivers in 2 drafts wasn't Lafleur demands
I say this because Lafleur lobbied hard to keep whats his name see how easy it is for me to forget something I don't like, it's not just a age thingie, Berry was the type of DC everyone wants to forget except Lafleur it seems
I think Gutekunst had to throw him a bone to get him to give that guy up, so when Hafley said he needed a very good center fielder Matt went to Gutekunst demanding a player like McKinney, just spiffing
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maybe it's always been this way, and the amount of the money exaggerates the issue.
and Lafluer was not holding him and others accountable for the terrible start to the season last year, stud players also want to win Championships, or in our case last season, just games, and it wasn't happening then, just as now with Doubs, the guy is open as much as any other receiver and he isn't getting the ball at critical times, like 3rd downs or in the red zone, you'd complain to in his shoes. 
