Lions @ Packers GDT: Sunday, Nov. 3rd, 3:25 PM CST

[go pak go]

Pretty straight forward. If Jordan Love doesn't return to his last 8 games of 2023 level of play...we aren't going to go where we want to go.

Jordan Love is not playing at a championship level this year. He is 3-3 as a full game player this year for a reason. 4-3 as a game starter. I would say his record matches his level of play pretty well.

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I'm not gonna lie. These receivers are a major, major let down this year.

The idea of them and their potential is far outpacing the reality of their play in 2024.

I was hoping someone would bring the ALL-22 (aerial view) because I see receivers open and Love not throwing the ball, so IMHO you are blaming receivers at times when the fault actually is Love late to trigger, and when he finally does unload the coverage caught up to the receiver, the TV view doesn't show a broad enough view to confirm my opinion.

Wicks has had some drop issues, others as well, on occasion, but not abnormal, everyone drops a pass now and then, nah, I think the biggest issue is the guy throwing the ball

Your flip flop is MIND BOGGLING! I can't even put into words how crazy hard you just flipped.

We dropped 6 $%@# balls last night! We lead the NFL in drops.

None of that absolves Love's pick 6, BTW. Love is not free of blame at all. I am not saying that, at all.

We bring analysis week in and week out, can you please make it a point to watch it?

at least half of our drops are ball placement related, Love is not throwing receivers OPEN, just because a receiver gets a finger on the ball doesn't make it a drop, so tired of hearing all this defense for a QB who has been inconsistent all season.

same with Lafleur, get these players ready to play, we were never even in that game yesterday, we came out flat, Love threw that idiotic pick six and we never challenged again.

[Drj820]

when discussing the drops, important to remember that yesterday was played in a monsoon.

While Wicks is Mr. Droppy pants, doubs and Reed usually can hold onto the ball decently.

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yet both of you complained more about Rodger's errant throws,(no different than Love now) than receivers dropping passes 2 years ago.

again receivers don't have eyes in the back of their head, it's up to the QB to throw catchable balls, and too many of Loves are behind the receiver or off-target.

could have sworn one of or both of you said 2 years ago that 4 drops were average, or acceptable, I think you are both lying right now to save the embarrassment of being exposed for lying 2 years ago

Why would you accuse people of lying? That's just a bit overboard.

What I see is that we are all pretty neutral here. We both agreed that Rodgers had some drops that hurt him but also wasn't playing well towards the end. Jordan Love is also having some drops hurt him, and yesterday was excessive. Love also pretty much lost the game for us on that stupid Pick 6. Without that we're still in the game. He hits Reed for 30+ yards on the Pick 6 Play, and we're looking at potentially going into halftime tied.

While those drops would have helped, I put yesterday's loss on Jordan Love for the simple fact that his mistake completely changed the narrative of the game. The penalties and the drops were icing on the cake.

Stating this just so you don't come back and say that I'm giving Love a pass where I wouldn't have given Rodgers one.

I wasn't really, see the smiley, it was there to hint at a joke, guess it flew right over your head

and I think LOve is responsible or led to all of our losses, defenses know he lacks mobility, and Love obviously knows it, so why try and scramble or extend a play running horizontally out of his protection, I can't even fathom this stuff

we had the ability to keep this a low-scoring game, simply run the ball and control the clock, not saying Willis could have won us this game, but he plays safer, isn't prone to turn overs, so when it comes to the blame game stuff I hold Lafleur to the hot embers here as well as Love, the receivers, the lbers, the CB, have I left anyone off the list

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when discussing the drops, important to remember that yesterday was played in a monsoon.

While Wicks is Mr. Droppy pants, doubs and Reed usually can hold onto the ball decently.

a bunch of us made good points prior to the game, it's a slug fest, it's sloppy, sit Love, play willis with a bunch of RPO, PA. miss direction, and pound the rock, and play mistake free, none of that really happened, except the slug fest part and we were the team getting slugged.

[Pckfn23]

at least half of our drops are ball placement related, Love is not throwing receivers OPEN, just because a receiver gets a finger on the ball doesn't make it a drop, so tired of hearing all this defense for a QB who has been inconsistent all season.

same with Lafleur, get these players ready to play, we were never even in that game yesterday, we came out flat, Love threw that idiotic pick six and we never challenged again.

Holy &%$@! Talk about hypocritical! You were famous for saying it was the receivers fault if the pass was off. Also, for saying if it hit receivers hands it should be a catch.

Receivers were not just getting fingers on the ball yesterday. They were catchable balls within their reach.

Love has been making bad decisions, he has not been inconsistent in his accuracy. He has absolutely been throwing people open. He needs to be better in his decision making, 100%.

There isn't $%@# defense of Love! There is push back on your hypocritical nonsense! You completely threw the receivers under the bus 2 years ago. Now you are completely throwing the QB under the bus.

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at least half of our drops are ball placement related, Love is not throwing receivers OPEN, just because a receiver gets a finger on the ball doesn't make it a drop, so tired of hearing all this defense for a QB who has been inconsistent all season.

same with Lafleur, get these players ready to play, we were never even in that game yesterday, we came out flat, Love threw that idiotic pick six and we never challenged again.

Holy &%$@! Talk about hypocritical! You were famous for saying it was the receivers fault if the pass was off. Also, for saying if it hit receivers hands it should be a catch.

Receivers were not just getting fingers on the ball yesterday. They were catchable balls within their reach.

Love has been making bad decisions, he has not been inconsistent in his accuracy. He has absolutely been throwing people open. He needs to be better in his decision making, 100%.

There isn't $%@# defense of Love! There is push back on your hypocritical nonsense! You completely threw the receivers under the bus 2 years ago. Now you are completely throwing the QB under the bus.

that's because two years ago receivers were not only running bad routes, but also wrong routes, and were dropping as many or more passes., not even close to this situation

Love has thrown some incredible passes, and receivers have made incredible catches, however many were high bust rate throws, and could have led to even more picks, and plenty of em should have been picked, your holding on to those few great passes to defend what has been very inconsistent play from Love, he's led to all 3 losses this season, you want to blame receivers for drops that I'am saying Love is just as much to blame for.

it's all about chemistry and rhythm, ya don't see drops when QB and receivers are on the same page, true Wicks might have dropsies, but the others haven't shown signs of that, and yes wet conditions played it's part, sure , But we see too many shoe string catches one hoppers.

hopefully a week off helps.

[Pckfn23]

Let me refresh your memory on your hypocrisy:

when as I've been saying he runs poor routes, it is the WRs job to get to the pitch point, when you see a ball 3 or 4 feet away from the receiver 90% ( guess 23) of the time the receiver failed, you and others blame the QB.

He picked that lane because thats where the ball is suppose to be thrown, and if it was behind Lazard, more then likely thats on Lazard for running past the pitch point, as upset as Rodgers openly was, he would be the last place I'd lay that blame

It's what I've been saying, for most of Rodgers career, or till about 2016 Rodgers spread the ball around, mostly because he could depend on his receivers to be where they where suppose to be, the tunnel vision with Adams imo is a result of having to many raw receivers that rarely where at the pitch point, or at route check points when Rodgers would read through his route progressions, sure we'd see wide open receivers at times, but Rodgers can't see the whole 60 yrd wide field at once, I refuse to believe this has been a problem with Rodgers as much as it has been receivers.

predicting doom and gloom for QB's prior to them even playing a half doz nfl games is non sensical, you see them miss a receiver in practice and right away he lacks accuracy, never mind that the receiver may be more to blame, ran the route wrong, slow to pitch point, any number of reason could account for the miss, this is just like blaming Rodgers for not seeing Lazard was open for the 2nd time in a game, never mind that he caught a 6 yrd pass the first time.

you've defended the receiver situation, just as GPG, Labrev and all Rodgers raggers have , if you'd just admit the frailty of your opinions it would be so much easier to have a civil conversation, but when you become so stubborn as to not accept those reality's and just blame Rodgers for not seeing someone open like a Lazard who doesn't get open often enough, or MVS who does actually screw up routes and can't recover to get to the pitch point, or receivers that do fail to catch balls, and act so sure it's Rodgers fault for that and other questionable fails then the conversation just becomes frustrating, you guys cut Rodgers no slack, just because the FO gave him to much money, ya can't expect him to make up for the failures of others, or be even as good as he has been in the past, when others are not, it's not reasonable.

[Pckfn23]

that's because two years ago receivers were not only running bad routes, but also wrong routes, and were dropping as many or more passes., not even close to this situation

And why aren't the receivers running bad routes or wrong routes now? I suspect it only has to do with the QBs name.

Love has thrown some incredible passes, and receivers have made incredible catches, however many were high bust rate throws, and could have led to even more picks, and plenty of em should have been picked, your holding on to those few great passes to defend what has been very inconsistent play from Love, he's led to all 3 losses this season, you want to blame receivers for drops that I'am saying Love is just as much to blame for.

Absolutely Love could make better throws to make it easier, but they are catchable balls. They are drops. Love is not Aaron Rodgers and Love will never be Aaron Rodgers. Jordan Love is Jordan Love and right now his main deficiency is bad decisions. His accuracy is fine, but could be better. He throws with anticipation. He throws guys open. He needs to make better decisions AND get healthy.

it's all about chemistry and rhythm, ya don't see drops when QB and receivers are on the same page,

Yes you do...

The same &%$@ is happening all over again, but reversed. You are taking a hardline stance on something when it is 100% both parties in this argument. Before, Rodgers was not to blame. Now, Love is the only to blame. It is complete nonsense.

[Drj820]

As good of a coach lafleur is...and i do think he is a good coach

the reason he doesnt get annual COTY chatter is because people see the Packers in these stand alone huge games...and about once, maybe twice per year...we look totally outprepared, outmuscled, and out focused.

It is what it is

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that's because two years ago receivers were not only running bad routes, but also wrong routes, and were dropping as many or more passes., not even close to this situation

And why aren't the receivers running bad routes or wrong routes now? I suspect it only has to do with the QBs name.

Love has thrown some incredible passes, and receivers have made incredible catches, however many were high bust rate throws, and could have led to even more picks, and plenty of em should have been picked, your holding on to those few great passes to defend what has been very inconsistent play from Love, he's led to all 3 losses this season, you want to blame receivers for drops that I'am saying Love is just as much to blame for.

Absolutely Love could make better throws to make it easier, but they are catchable balls. They are drops. Love is not Aaron Rodgers and Love will never be Aaron Rodgers. Jordan Love is Jordan Love and right now his main deficiency is bad decisions. His accuracy is fine, but could be better. He throws with anticipation. He throws guys open. He needs to make better decisions AND get healthy.

it's all about chemistry and rhythm, ya don't see drops when QB and receivers are on the same page,

Yes you do...

The same &%$@ is happening all over again, but reversed. You are taking a hardline stance on something when it is 100% both parties in this argument. Before, Rodgers was not to blame. Now, Love is the only to blame. It is complete nonsense.

first I stand for everything I said in your prior post, there's no hypocrisy here, in 22 Rodgers had all new receivers accept Lazard, again when you see a receiver two or 3 steps away from pitch point, and the QB is one of the most accurate in the league, well who would you think goofed up?

and her you are attempting to pigeonhole me, my argument has been that Love is not playing well or throwing inaccurately too often, never said the receivers are blameless, just that Love makes too many catches harder than necessary, and makes poor decisions throwing into double even triple coverage, I don't know why or how anyone would defend his play.

[Labrev]

so drops can be Rodgers fault, but not Loves, got it

Your belief is the same thing in reverse, so....

And Rodgers has a long track record of holding onto the ball too long, even when he had great WRs and OL, so it is pretty rich for you to go after Love on this of all things when you raised no similar issue with Rodgers, the most notorious example of it (literally got himself injured last year not throwing to an open Garrett Wilson to unnecessarily extend the play).

[RingoCStarrQB]

the good news: we missed a FG and threw an awful pick 6 and only lost by 10,
still def a playoff team

the bad news: They did bully us at the LOS. They did run the ball at will in awful weather. We ran the ball until we gave up on it near the redzone of each drive

More bad news: The receivers that have all been lauded as good...legit may cant catch. Especially in big moments. Wicks and Doubs both. Reed is not getting open as much as he is demanding more attention.

I dont take too much from the loss other that Love has to stop doing dumb stuff, and they may can just bully us like the 9ers used to. If thats true, thats a bad sign for the next few years.

Oh yeah! Lupe and I are attempting to organize a pregame event to watch the Bears-Vikings noon game before we truck on in to the epicenter of the NFL to see if Jordan Love can get back to his old self vs the 49ers. If anyone wants to join us please give us a shout. We're also figuring out an after party venue/plan where we can meet up with Bogey. Maybe BF004 can help us out of towners pick the right places.

[Pckfn23]

I don't need to pigeonhole you, you do it yourself when you completely flip flop on topics.

Love gets a defense from the likes of you because he deserves it. Outside of 1 play, a damning play no doubt, he had a good game. His receivers let him down.

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it's all about chemistry and rhythm, ya don't see drops when QB and receivers are on the same page,
Yes you do...

not to the degree we see because of Love
you see that 1.5 or 2 a game average.

again when a QB and his receivers are linked up we see the ball out in front of the receiver, so he can catch it in stride, when was the last time you saw a QB heave long toss ups where the receiver had to win contested catch, it's almost every long pass from Love, that's because he isn't reading his damn progressions, doesn't show patience required to just take the check down and move the chains, we use to blame what Love is doing on Rodgers, now you want to defend the QB and blame the receivers.

[Pckfn23]

it's all about chemistry and rhythm, ya don't see drops when QB and receivers are on the same page,
Yes you do...

not to the degree we see because of Love
you see that 1.5 or 2 a game average.

I thought we don't see it?
I thought it was 4 drops as the averge?

How can we trust anything you see/say when it changes so readily?

again when a QB and his receivers are linked up we see the ball out in front of the receiver, so he can catch it in stride, when was the last time you saw a QB heave long toss ups where the receiver had to win contested catch, it's almost every long pass from Love, that's because he isn't reading his damn progressions, doesn't show patience required to just take the check down and move the chains, we use to blame what Love is doing on Rodgers, now you want to defend the QB and blame the receivers.

You have to be trolling now as that statement is so ridiculous top to bottom!

And no, like before, I AM BLAMING BOTH. Can you actual understand that for once?

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I don't need to pigeonhole you, you do it yourself when you completely flip flop on topics.

Love gets a defense from the likes of you because he deserves it. Outside of 1 play, a damning play no doubt, he had a good game. His receivers let him down.

what flip-flop? are you comparing all those new, raw receivers to this group of 2nd and 3rd year vets? wet conditions and mostly off target throws led to the 5 drops, one game where the receivers didn't bail Love out, his terrible decisions led to the Watson injury.

you act like I'am a Love hater the way you became with Rodgers (hehe) , when we both know LOve is setting his receivers up for body bags, throwing them into vicious hits or double coverage when he has open receivers elsewhere.

hey Love is our QB, I want to see him do better, we paid him to be better, but he needs to take what the defense will give up more then just winging it, or making these bone headed decisions.

[Pckfn23]

I don't need to pigeonhole you, you do it yourself when you completely flip flop on topics.

Love gets a defense from the likes of you because he deserves it. Outside of 1 play, a damning play no doubt, he had a good game. His receivers let him down.

what flip-flop? are you comparing all those new, raw receivers to this group of 2nd and 3rd year vets? wet conditions and mostly off target throws led to the 5 drops, one game where the receivers didn't bail Love out, his terrible decisions led to the Watson injury.

You claimed to know the receivers routes and the game plan, which you didn't, and then solely blamed it on the receivers. Now you claim to know the routes and game plan, and are solely blaming it on the QB. 100% a flip flop.

you act like I'am a Love hater the way you became with Rodgers (hehe) , when we both know LOve is setting his receivers up for body bags, throwing them into vicious hits or double coverage when he has open receivers elsewhere.

Love the hyperbole again! You watch a game with an already formed opinion.

hey Love is our QB, I want to see him do better, we paid him to be better, but he needs to take what the defense will give up more then just winging it, or making these bone headed decisions.

He does take what the defense is giving him the vast majority of the time. It is the 3 or so plays where he gets flustered or throws it up that are the issue. Period.

You have no idea what you see when you watch a football game. It's crazy.

if it was behind Lazard, more then likely thats on Lazard for running past the pitch point, as upset as Rodgers openly was, he would be the last place I'd lay that blame

This, this right here is your &%$@ yoop.

If you were consistent in your arguments, which you never are, it should read like this:

"if it was behind Wicks, more then likely thats on Wicks for running past the pitch point, as upset as Love openly was, he would be the last place I'd lay that blame"

[Pugger]

Hubby taped the game and we are now watching it. I disagree big time with Brady almost defending Branch on that helmet to helmet to Melton. Branch led with the crown of his helmet right in the receivers face. I'd say this no matter what players were involved in that play. Branch is lucky the NFL doesn't have targeting.

I also disagree with Brady when he said Love panicked on that pick 6. Steve Wonder could see Love was trying to get it to Jacobs. It was just a lousy throw.

[RingoCStarrQB]

it's all about chemistry and rhythm, ya don't see drops when QB and receivers are on the same page,
Yes you do...

not to the degree we see because of Love
you see that 1.5 or 2 a game average.

again when a QB and his receivers are linked up we see the ball out in front of the receiver, so he can catch it in stride, when was the last time you saw a QB heave long toss ups where the receiver had to win contested catch, it's almost every long pass from Love, that's because he isn't reading his damn progressions, doesn't show patience required to just take the check down and move the chains, we use to blame what Love is doing on Rodgers, now you want to defend the QB and blame the receivers.

I will cautiously burst in now......even though I wasn't invited. Love failures are a direct result of improper coaching. Holmgren would have this fixed by now. Watch LaCoach's Q&A session from Sunday. He continues to exude borderline #12 AR arrogance. Doesn't take blame for anything. Somehow the press let's him get away with this. He should be fired for not starting Malik and not transitioning from Rodgers to Love correctly. LaCoach doesn't take the heat very well from anyone. Prissy Prissy Prissy Arrogance.