Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

[APB]

2011 also, Rodgers was a great QB, there is no question about that, but he was also a jerk, mostly towards the end

I guess having one’s own opinion on matters of personal health and on the society they live in makes them a jerk.

Well it was his personal health until he walked into the locker and meeting rooms saying basically I'm vaccinated. Then it became an organizational problem.

I’m not sure I follow. Was it an integrity issue? Or a team health issue?

In the latter case, masking and social distancing were still in practice. And those who received the jab were protected, weren’t they? I’m not seeing a risk to others health that would make it an organizational problem.

I don’t disagree that Rodgers got on people’s nerves with his backseat GM’ing the last few years in Green Bay. I don’t even disagree being glad he’s no longer a Packer. However, I don’t consider him a bad person or jerk based on him expressing some thoughts and personal opinions.

[musclestang]

2011 also, Rodgers was a great QB, there is no question about that, but he was also a jerk, mostly towards the end

I guess having one’s own opinion on matters of personal health and on the society they live in makes them a jerk.

Well it was his personal health until he walked into the locker and meeting rooms saying basically I'm vaccinated. Then it became an organizational problem.

That’s not at all what happened. The team knew, his teammates knew, the league knew. He was tested daily upon entering facilities as all unvaccinated players were.


The whole thing was such a cruel joke played on the masses I can’t believe it was actual real life. 80% of this country should be embarrassed by their behavior during that time

[williewasgreat]

I guess having one’s own opinion on matters of personal health and on the society they live in makes them a jerk.

Well it was his personal health until he walked into the locker and meeting rooms saying basically I'm vaccinated. Then it became an organizational problem.

That’s not at all what happened. The team knew, his teammates knew, the league knew. He was tested daily upon entering facilities as all unvaccinated players were.


The whole thing was such a cruel joke played on the masses I can’t believe it was actual real life. 80% of this country should be embarrassed by their behavior during that time

Maybe you can tell that to family and friends of the million plus who died.

[musclestang]

Well it was his personal health until he walked into the locker and meeting rooms saying basically I'm vaccinated. Then it became an organizational problem.

That’s not at all what happened. The team knew, his teammates knew, the league knew. He was tested daily upon entering facilities as all unvaccinated players were.


The whole thing was such a cruel joke played on the masses I can’t believe it was actual real life. 80% of this country should be embarrassed by their behavior during that time

Maybe you can tell that to family and friends of the million plus who died.

Huh?

Call it what you want. A lab created virus that escapes and kills and then every lie told after is a cruel joke IMO. It’s not a funny one.

[Cdragon]

I guess having one’s own opinion on matters of personal health and on the society they live in makes them a jerk.

Well it was his personal health until he walked into the locker and meeting rooms saying basically I'm vaccinated. Then it became an organizational problem.

I’m not sure I follow. Was it an integrity issue? Or a team health issue?

In the latter case, masking and social distancing were still in practice. And those who received the jab were protected, weren’t they? I’m not seeing a risk to others health that would make it an organizational problem.

I don’t disagree that Rodgers got on people’s nerves with his backseat GM’ing the last few years in Green Bay. I don’t even disagree being glad he’s no longer a Packer. However, I don’t consider him a bad person or jerk based on him expressing some thoughts and personal opinions.

It's a bit of both. He would have been better off giving a straight answer. The shots don't prevent you from getting covid they lesson the symptoms since your body would have a head start on recognizing the disease. Other guys could have missed a game like he did. Everybody is a jerk at some point in their life. The trouble is when you have become so accomplished and the organization is so dependent on you, when you decide to put your interest above the team it is magnified. Whether it was Favre not showing for OTAs or "I'm not here to teach anybody." or AR being a diva and not trying to make something out of young guys, doesn't matter not our problem anymore.

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I guess having one’s own opinion on matters of personal health and on the society they live in makes them a jerk.

Well it was his personal health until he walked into the locker and meeting rooms saying basically I'm vaccinated. Then it became an organizational problem.

I’m not sure I follow. Was it an integrity issue? Or a team health issue?

In the latter case, masking and social distancing were still in practice. And those who received the jab were protected, weren’t they? I’m not seeing a risk to others health that would make it an organizational problem.

I don’t disagree that Rodgers got on people’s nerves with his backseat GM’ing the last few years in Green Bay. I don’t even disagree being glad he’s no longer a Packer. However, I don’t consider him a bad person or jerk based on him expressing some thoughts and personal opinions.

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Lupe's right, this morphed into a debate about Vaccines, and that is such a controversial topic, better left to the podium

[lupedafiasco]

My god we are still talking about Covid and vaccinations…

[BSA]

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Here's one from The Ringer talking about how to ruin a young QB

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/11/1 ... uarterback

NFL teams are breaking quarterbacks faster than they can build them up—most notably in Chicago, where Caleb Williams is struggling and the Bears have few answers. What are the common threads from these situations? And how can teams fix their mistakes before it’s too late?

Take home message: We sure are fortunate as Packer fans- when it comes to developing QBs - few teams are our equal.

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Here's one from The Ringer talking about how to ruin a young QB

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/11/1 ... uarterback

NFL teams are breaking quarterbacks faster than they can build them up—most notably in Chicago, where Caleb Williams is struggling and the Bears have few answers. What are the common threads from these situations? And how can teams fix their mistakes before it’s too late?

Take home message: We sure are fortunate as Packer fans- when it comes to developing QBs - few teams are our equal.

nice read, thanks.

Agree, the transition from College ball to pro is drastic, every facet of the pro game is so far superior to most college programs, NFL defenses are bigger, faster, smarter, to combat that his offensive schemes have to be QB friendly, pass pro has to give him time, receivers need to separate, lot to ask from a rookie.

we attempted to do that for Love, Rodgers, not just with a supporting cast or playbook, but also by allowing them some learning time/years prior to baptism under fire, even with that Love and Rodgers struggled some at first.

with Favre Holmgren was forced to play him, never had time to groom the gunslinger mentality out of him, maybe with some that's not even possible, some say Love has that, hopefully he becomes a more prudent gambler than Brett was.

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special teams coaches don't seem to make great HC's, even though they work with most of the players, Bisaccia is mentioned near the bottom, so I thought I'd share.

I thought it would change,” Harbaugh told USA TODAY Sports in May. “I thought if I was able to be successful, that it would open the door for those guys, and I think a lot of those guys felt that way as well. It hasn’t been the case. Nobody’s been hired who was mainly a special teams coordinator in their career. I’ve got to be honest: That’s been a disappointment.”

Baltimore Ravens head coach John Harbaugh spent eight NFL coaching seasons as a special teams coordinator, a position that rarely leads directly to a head coaching role. USA TODAY Sports' NFL Coaches Project explores why there's a bias against special teams coordinators
Baltimore Ravens head coach John Harbaugh spent eight NFL coaching seasons as a special teams coordinator, a position that rarely leads directly to a head coaching role. USA TODAY Sports' NFL Coaches Project explores why there's a bias against special teams coordinators
Harbaugh isn't even among the two special teams coaches in NFL history who got directly promoted to head coach. He spent nine seasons as a special teams coach in Philadelphia before he switched to defensive backs coach in 2007, then got hired by the Ravens as head coach in 2008. Likewise, several other successful NFL head coaches worked with special teams early in their NFL careers but seemingly had to prove they could coach another part of the team before getting a head coaching job — including Bill Belichick, Marv Levy, Dick Vermeil and Bill Cowher.

Despite their track records, the pattern continues, suggesting biases come in different forms, not just with race, when hiring head coaches.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/does-nfl-s ... 08594.html

[RingoCStarrQB]

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Here's one from The Ringer talking about how to ruin a young QB

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/11/1 ... uarterback

NFL teams are breaking quarterbacks faster than they can build them up—most notably in Chicago, where Caleb Williams is struggling and the Bears have few answers. What are the common threads from these situations? And how can teams fix their mistakes before it’s too late?

Take home message: We sure are fortunate as Packer fans- when it comes to developing QBs - few teams are our equal.

Am so glad the Packers attempted to mature Rodgers and Love the old fashioned way allowing them to ride the bench and learn. I'm still convinced that LaCoach did a terrible job of teaching Love when Rodgers was still our QB though.
For what its worth.........if I remember correctly Favre was in equal company with Mark Brunell and Ty Detmer during his indoctrination years under Holmgren. History has shown it was worth the gamble not requiring Favre to ride the bench. Favre's learning had to take place under center or in the shotgun. Favre had to ask Detmer what a nickel defense was ............. apparently he hadn't grasped that in the classroom. Amazing he gunsligned his way to 3 consecutive MVPs!!

GO PACK GO. Beat the Bears handily, and get ready for the Niners!

[NCF]

I have never been a big believer, but at this point, we have to acknowledge the job Jim Harbaugh has done in LA with that team, don't we?

[NCF]

Is it just me or is there an absurdly high number of kickers and punters getting injured this year?

[salmar80]

Is it just me or is there an absurdly high number of kickers and punters getting injured this year?

Sure seems high and weird. Not that I usually pay much notice, bit more this year with our own carousel and keeping half eye whenever one of the former ones gets picked up.

[Labrev]

More Jets dysfunction at which to laugh: https://gridironheroics.com/aaron-rodge ... york-jets/

[Labrev]

I like that we are not still taking the playclock down to 0:01 and 0:00, usually snapping it at around 0:05 or so now. And we now usually have all our timeouts late in the game as well. It's been nice!

[salmar80]

I like that we are not still taking the playclock down to 0:01 and 0:00, usually snapping it at around 0:05 or so now. And we now usually have all our timeouts late in the game as well. It's been nice!

I noticed we even snapped it at first count with plenty on the play clock a few times, no motion, checks or anything, and da Bears line seemed surprised and slow at the snap.

The use of motion has replaced the waiting for last second of AR era. There may be some times Love still may wanna do it, but it's great it's not the default. In fact, I was always wondering why with AR we didn't even TRY snapping it early every now and again for the surprise factor and making D prep harder.

[BSA]

I was always wondering why with AR we didn't even TRY snapping it early every now and again for the surprise factor and making D prep harder.

He did go fast. AR loved to go up- tempo for a couple drives per game, but his default was to use that time to inform his decisions. He wanted as much time to decipher and unmask as possible and using a ton of motion actually hinders the ability to go fast.

One of the things that fans miss - is that with AR making the line calls, GB had the lowest stuff rate of any offense. Year after year. That's due in large part because the QB would decipher the D - and get GB out of poor offensive calls. There are pro's and cons to each strategy...and when you dive into all the nuances, you can see both sides of the coin.

[Pckfn23]

Using motion also helps decipher the coverage of the defense.

[NCF]

I was always wondering why with AR we didn't even TRY snapping it early every now and again for the surprise factor and making D prep harder.

He did go fast. AR loved to go up- tempo for a couple drives per game, but his default was to use that time to inform his decisions. He wanted as much time to decipher and unmask as possible and using a ton of motion actually hinders the ability to go fast.

One of the things that fans miss - is that with AR making the line calls, GB had the lowest stuff rate of any offense. Year after year. That's due in large part because the QB would decipher the D - and get GB out of poor offensive calls. There are pro's and cons to each strategy...and when you dive into all the nuances, you can see both sides of the coin.

You are 100% correct, but to sal's point, there were times when the offense was stagnant and out of rhythm. Even just a series might help break you out of that. It also forces the defense to declare earlier, eliminates substitutions, and limits the communication on the other side of the ball. It's just a nice change up to use here and there that so many teams utilize effectively and the Packers don't.