Packers @ Bears GDT: Sunday, Nov. 17th, 12:00 PM CST

[MY_TAKE]

I watched a front 7 that attacked Caleb Williams yesterday. There was no contain which is why Williams was able to rush they he did with little effort.

Also, there was one play when the defense had the right call, and Quay was basically spying Caleb Williams, he whiffed and failed to make the play. It was just sad.

[Acrobat]

Really hoping this is the Christian Watson game that turns the corner for his career.

I know there’s been so much talk of “we don’t need a #1 WR”, but I think we really do need a guy that defenses start to fear. We haven’t had that yet this year.

[Yoop]

just an observation, our DL seems tasked with contain foremost, which translates to not giving up the gap assignments, which allows OL to get a good grip/hold, which means there already behind the 8 ball attempting to rush the QB, when Hafley turns them lose we get pressures and sacks.

half our games have been against RPO style QB's, one of the best yesterday, what we are not getting is great support from second level lbers, it's been a &%$@ show, all year we've watched as they over commit to the wrong gaps, are blocked as they attempt to recover, and the result is a big gain because they were out of position to make a stop, as fans we blame the players, just maybe it's a coaching issue

I watched a front 7 that attacked Caleb Williams yesterday. There was no contain which is why Williams was able to rush they he did with little effort.

Our guys attacked and just simply lost outside of the 2 plays on that final drive. Rashan Gary has absolutely disappeared.

Contain was lost because Chicago tackles got a good grip on our rushers, again our first move from our edge rushers is to play the run, that's why we don't see guys like Clark or Gary bull rushing, how do you explain the passive rushes we most often see, compared to when they do bull rush and cause havoc?

I've rewatched every game we've played, and this stuff stands out. There is a radical difference between the passive gap control, which is a scheme to contain the RPO or RB runs, and when we just unleash our dogs. It's a huge difference, my friend.

[Yoop]

CHICAGO – Rich Bisaccia issued the challenge earlier this week and Karl Brooks was bound and determined to meet it.

Leading up to Sunday's game against Chicago, the Packers' special teams coordinator saw a potential gap in the Bears' field goal protection on film and relayed that to Brooks and the rest of Green Bay's blocking unit.

It turned out to be a game-saving revelation. With the game on the line, Brooks charged, raised his left hand and got his middle finger on Cairo Santos' attempt at a game-winning 46-yard field goal to preserve a 20-19 Packers victory as time expired.

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, it was the second time the Packers blocked a field goal on the final play of a game. The other was nearly 85 years ago during a 7-6 win over the Cleveland Rams on Nov. 26, 1939.

"Rich challenged us to get a block, so I took it personally," said Brooks. "I wanted to go out there and get that block. I wanted to do that for Coach Rich."

It also was the first time since the 1970 merger the Packers blocked a field goal with under a minute remaining in the fourth quarter or later, per Elias.

An 11-year veteran, Santos had missed only one field goal and one extra point all season coming into Sunday, but the Packers saw some openings at the guard position in the field-goal protection.

Bisaccia made Brooks and fellow defensive lineman T.J. Slaton aware of that potential opportunity and challenged the two to seize it. Santos made two field goals, from 53 and 27 yards, and an extra point, but Green Bay kept grinding away at it.

Asked what was going through his mind when Santos lined up for the potential game-winner, defensive lineman Kenny Clark said simply: "That we were going to block it."

Why?

"We talked about T.J. or K.B. blocking the kick all week," Clark said. "They've got holes in their field goal protection and a couple of them they got close. So, we've been talking about that all week. It was a problem, so, Coach Rich has been telling them all week and we ended up getting one."

thanks for the article, Bisaccia earning his pay check, what a game saver, I think my heart skipped a beat

[Yoop]

I watched a front 7 that attacked Caleb Williams yesterday. There was no contain which is why Williams was able to rush they he did with little effort.

Also, there was one play when the defense had the right call, and Quay was basically spying Caleb Williams, he whiffed and failed to make the play. It was just sad.

jmo, but that is bound to happen when our lbers commit prior to the RB, we are asking them to penetrate or at minimum to fill gaps, versus waiting for the RB to commit to a gap, looks great when that lber gets it right, real bad when he doesn't, and Quay has been wrong to often, least that's how it looks to me.

I think I would have put Evan Williams as the spy guy versus any lber we have, he's to fast

[musclestang]

I just don't get Quay. Physical attributes coming out of his ass, he has everything. You tell me those qualities are what I get to mold a linebacker and I'm thinking I have it made more times than not. And I do think he's better than he gets credit for a lot, but his misses end up being huge it seems and very glaring.

Maybe this is it, but he just seems to hesitate and get caught thinking. Maybe he just has no instincts, which means, this is it. It's getting more difficult, but I am holding out hope he gets it, or maybe a move outside and it helps etc. Not sure, but we need better and he has the ability to be better.

[Labrev]

I just don't get Quay. Physical attributes coming out of his ass, he has everything. You tell me those qualities are what I get to mold a linebacker and I'm thinking I have it made more times than not. And I do think he's better than he gets credit for a lot, but his misses end up being huge it seems and very glaring.

Maybe this is it, but he just seems to hesitate and get caught thinking. Maybe he just has no instincts, which means, this is it. It's getting more difficult, but I am holding out hope he gets it, or maybe a move outside and it helps etc. Not sure, but we need better and he has the ability to be better.

You can't "mold" a linebacker, IMO. You need instincts to be good there and you either have that or you don't by the time you're drafted. Same with RB, you need vision to be good, and it's not really teachable.

I generally like that we draft great athletes and develop them. But there are a few positions where that needs to take a backseat to having enough "feel" for the position. LB is one of those positions.

[BF004]

[salmar80]

I just don't get Quay. Physical attributes coming out of his ass, he has everything. You tell me those qualities are what I get to mold a linebacker and I'm thinking I have it made more times than not. And I do think he's better than he gets credit for a lot, but his misses end up being huge it seems and very glaring.

Maybe this is it, but he just seems to hesitate and get caught thinking. Maybe he just has no instincts, which means, this is it. It's getting more difficult, but I am holding out hope he gets it, or maybe a move outside and it helps etc. Not sure, but we need better and he has the ability to be better.

You can't "mold" a linebacker, IMO. You need instincts to be good there and you either have that or you don't by the time you're drafted. Same with RB, you need vision to be good, and it's not really teachable.

I generally like that we draft great athletes and develop them. But there are a few positions where that needs to take a backseat to having enough "feel" for the position. LB is one of those positions.

Yeah, most of the time, the advantage that Q would win on athleticism is lost (and more) by being late in decision-making due to lack of instincts. And the time you lose reacting or making a decision is time for the O to get their blocks set up. Speed doesn't help if there's an OL blocking your path.

I would really, really love to see if he could do better as OLB, but I have my doubts.

There ARE plays where he has been able to use the athletic gifts, like on blitzes and on the great pass-breakup he had in this game - the latter is a long man coverage play very few in the league could make. Blitzing is good for him, since it's pre-determined and he can just pin his ears back. But that few plays in a pool of plays for an every-down guy.

BTW, this was probably the toughest game so far for Edge Coop. No eye-popping positives and took poor angles several times on Williams' rushes. But can't expect a rookie to shine in every game, learn then move on.

[salmar80]

As a side note, Brooks seems to have taken Wilson's spot at no. 2 RB. Will have to watch if this continues, may be a case of Wilson having some minor injury.

Congrats to Josh Jacobs for his 1000 yards from scrimmage. He's a good boy, but a mean mutha.

[Yoop]

year 1, small playbook, typically unless you have a rare player there tasked with plying from instinct, and basic coverage schemes, we saw Walker play pretty well year one when he didn't have the green dot, and now he's in a new scheme with it, result he has to think and set up others plus attempting to play instinctively himself, growing pains

we see Rookies come in every year, and instinctively play very well at times, In year two they struggle, and if they stay in the same scheme year 3 they flourish.

this isn't a defense of Walker, but rather a defense of D&D and the process, and also a rebute of Labrev, (kidding) instinctive lbers are not born, they have to learn that skill set from someone, and to my knowledge, GOD has far more important business then designing lbers

[Pugger]

Just watched the replay - what a game by Watson. That last catch was ridiculously good!

Yep. He balled yesterday.

I give him his due, especially so given my recent commentary over him being unable to consistently come down with the tough catches. He certainly proved me wrong, at least for a day.

His speed just cannot be understated. What a weapon he can become. If he keeps this up he could put fear in DBs hearts like WRs like Tyreek Hill and DK Metcalf do. I just hope those hamstring injuries haven't robbed him of some of his top speed out there.

[Pugger]

I just don't get Quay. Physical attributes coming out of his ass, he has everything. You tell me those qualities are what I get to mold a linebacker and I'm thinking I have it made more times than not. And I do think he's better than he gets credit for a lot, but his misses end up being huge it seems and very glaring.

Maybe this is it, but he just seems to hesitate and get caught thinking. Maybe he just has no instincts, which means, this is it. It's getting more difficult, but I am holding out hope he gets it, or maybe a move outside and it helps etc. Not sure, but we need better and he has the ability to be better.

Perhaps all of his talent is below his neck.

[musclestang]

I just don't get Quay. Physical attributes coming out of his ass, he has everything. You tell me those qualities are what I get to mold a linebacker and I'm thinking I have it made more times than not. And I do think he's better than he gets credit for a lot, but his misses end up being huge it seems and very glaring.

Maybe this is it, but he just seems to hesitate and get caught thinking. Maybe he just has no instincts, which means, this is it. It's getting more difficult, but I am holding out hope he gets it, or maybe a move outside and it helps etc. Not sure, but we need better and he has the ability to be better.

You can't "mold" a linebacker, IMO. You need instincts to be good there and you either have that or you don't by the time you're drafted. Same with RB, you need vision to be good, and it's not really teachable.

I generally like that we draft great athletes and develop them. But there are a few positions where that needs to take a backseat to having enough "feel" for the position. LB is one of those positions.

That's where I am not sure of for Walker right now. Does he not have instincts at all? because I remember him playing better than he is now, but maybe my memory is fuzzy. Or does he have instincts but he's stuck thinking and not just reading and reacting, because to me on the plays the end up glaring, he looks to hesitate rather than play.

I don't remember lack of instincts being on his draft report or anything they were worried about coming out of college. That's why I still hope he's just stuck thinking and if they can get him past that, he'll be a lot better because physically ,he has it all really.

[Pckfn23]

I just don't get Quay. Physical attributes coming out of his ass, he has everything. You tell me those qualities are what I get to mold a linebacker and I'm thinking I have it made more times than not. And I do think he's better than he gets credit for a lot, but his misses end up being huge it seems and very glaring.

Maybe this is it, but he just seems to hesitate and get caught thinking. Maybe he just has no instincts, which means, this is it. It's getting more difficult, but I am holding out hope he gets it, or maybe a move outside and it helps etc. Not sure, but we need better and he has the ability to be better.

Dumb and lazy. A bad combination.

[Pckfn23]

Bears had 26 more plays than we did yesterday, 72 to 46.

[Scott4Pack]

One aspect of the game that stood out to me was TWICE that Williams outran Cooper for a first down. Cooper is legit fast. But he could only eat Williams' dust on those two plays.

I will never be a Bears fan. But I came away from this game impressed with what Williams CAN do. Whether he will do it game to game and continue learning or not, I don't know. But this guy is NOT another Rex Grossman.

[Pckfn23]

[Crazylegs Starks]

Y'all remember old Packer video of Holmgren telling Favre "no more rocket balls"? That always makes me smile, anyway that throw by Love with around 12 minutes left in the 2nd quarter to Watson was an absolute rocket ball. Watson settled between zone defenders and Love saw him a little late and just uncorked it (fairly tight window) right in the numbers.

Plays like that make me think we are going to be unstoppable and then he threw a fairly ugly pick. He has had his share of big time (WOW) throws this year only to make a fairly ugly mistake in the same game. Need to find that happy medium.

This season definitely has Favre '93 vibes

[Crazylegs Starks]

Outside of the overthrow pick, Love was on: