Packers @ Bears GDT: Sunday, Nov. 17th, 12:00 PM CST

[BSA]

I discover that F your family guy and "I love the Packers" girl are a couple

Maybe she'd be interested in upgrading ?

[BSA]

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Back in the old days, the Halas bears didn't want to come play in GB because the crowds and $$ would be much less than in CHI
And so Milwaukee games were the compromise in giving the Packers a "home" game and the bears the revenue they demanded. This was back when the NFL wasn't quite so flush as it is today

Fast forward...2024. Lambeau Field holds 20,000 more fans than Soldier and so the revenue shoe is on the other foot. Forever.
Even if the bumbling bears manage to build a crappy new stadium, it won't match Lambeau in seating capacity. Best guess is the fair weather fans in the windy city can reliably fill up about 65-70 K, maybe a bit more if they put together a quality product.

So they will always be a Second City to Green Bay when it comes to winning Titles and winning on the business side as well.

[Yoop]

PFF grades against Bears

By overall grade at Pro Football Focus, Sunday’s performance was the Packers’ best performance on offense this season. But the defense struggled across the board against a rookie quarterback and a reeling Bears offense.

Based on grades from Pro Football Focus, here are the best and worst players from the Packers’ Week 11 win over the Bears:

Top 5 offense
1. WR Christian Watson: 93.0
2. RT Zach Tom: 73.8
3. QB Jordan Love: 73.7
4. WR Jayden Reed: 73.6
5. RB Josh Jacobs: 71.5

Watson caught all four of his targets, including two contested catches, and produced a career-high 150 receiving yards. He averaged 10.0 yards per route run, an incredible number. Tom allowed only two hurries and had the team’s highest run-blocking grade along the offensive line. Love had an adjusted completion percentage of 87.5 and hit all six throws over 10 yards in the air and all eight throws under pressure. Reed caught two passes for 23 yards and a score while running only 12 routes. Jacobs forced three missed tackles, created four plays of 10 or more yards and produced a season-high 58 receiving yards.

Top 5 defense
1. DE Rashan Gary: 79.0
2. LB Eric Wilson: 69.5
3. CB Jaire Alexander: 65.9
4. LB Quay Walker: 62.6
5. LB Isaiah McDuffie: 61.0

Gary produced a team-high five pressures, including a sack and quarterback hit, plus a team-high four run stops. Wilson made a run stop and earned a solid run defense grade overall. Alexander didn’t allow a completion into his coverage over 10 snaps before exiting with an injury. Walker had two stops and a pass breakup but also missed two tackles and wasn’t effective as a blitzer or against the run. McDuffie tackled well over 21 snaps.

Bottom 5 offense
1. LG Elgton Jenkins: 48.4
2. TE Ben Sims: 50.3
3. WR Dontayvion Wicks: 53.1
4. TE Tucker Kraft: 54.4
5. WR Romeo Doubs: 56.5

Jenkins allowed two pressures, had a poor run-blocking grade and was penalized for being illegally downfield. Sims was only average as a run-blocker and didn’t have a catch over 17 snaps. Wicks ran only six routes and didn’t have a catch. Kraft ran a team-high 18 routes but didn’t have a catch. Doubs had a drop on third down.

Bottom 5 defense
1. DE Lukas Van Ness: 33.1
2. CB Keisean Nixon: 45.8
3. DE Kingsley Enagbare: 49.4
4. DL Devonte Wyatt: 49.6
5. DL Kenny Clark: 50.3

Van Ness played 25 snaps, including 10 as a pass-rusher, but didn’t have a tackle and managed just one hurry while also committing a penalty. Nixon allowed three catches for 39 yards and missed a tackle. Enagbare had three pressures, but he also missed a sack and struggled against the run. Wyatt missed a tackle and didn’t have a pressure over 35 mostly impactless snaps. Clark didn’t have a pressure for the third straight game.

Special teams
Karl Brooks blocked the field goal to win the game and earned an elite 93.5 special teams grade. Edgerrin Cooper and Corey Ballentine both had tackles covering kicks. The Packers didn’t have a special teams penalty. Brandon McManus made two extra points. Daniel Whelan’s lone punt was a 47-yarder inside the 10-yard line.

[musclestang]

Van Ness didn't commit a penalty, they just called it as such LOL. you can move on defense as long as you're not in the neutral zone. He wasn't and then the OL over him jumped. Then he came across. that is a false start on the offense 100 out of 100 times.

Between that, the unsportsmanlike on X and the missed false start on Da Bears later in the game I started to wonder if these games really were manipulated from NY. all 3 were some of the most egregious misses/calls i've seen to influence a heavy underdog against a divisional rival.

[Cdragon]

Kraft ran 18 routes and had one target. He dropped it but what about the other 17 routes? Was he open? He certainly was open on one of Watson's big catches. Are they still grading by whether you accomplish what you were supposed to do, get open, make a block etc. Or has it just become totally results based?

[APB]

Kraft ran 18 routes and had one target. He dropped it but what about the other 17 routes? Was he open? He certainly was open on one of Watson's big catches. Are they still grading by whether you accomplish what you were supposed to do, get open, make a block etc. Or has it just become totally results based?

I was thinking along those lines, as well. Seems there is a lean toward the latter.

Reed running only 12 routes seems odd. He’s one of your biggest playmakers yet he’s only sent out on 12 plays?

The bottom 5 on defense are the same guys we’ve been bemoaning from just the television broadcast viewpoint. Those boys are who they are. Can’t figure out why they’ve collectively taken a step back. Glad to see Gary, at least, came out of his funk for a game. Hope it continues.

Was hoping to see a grade on Cox Jr. He had a couple impactful plays but how was he on the other plays?

[Yoop]

Van Ness didn't commit a penalty, they just called it as such LOL. you can move on defense as long as you're not in the neutral zone. He wasn't and then the OL over him jumped. Then he came across. that is a false start on the offense 100 out of 100 times.

Between that, the unsportsmanlike on X and the missed false start on Da Bears later in the game I started to wonder if these games really were manipulated from NY. all 3 were some of the most egregious misses/calls i've seen to influence a heavy underdog against a divisional rival.

without even looking at that Muscle, I'd bet Ness was over in that neutral zone or even past the los, everytime I see him lined up his lead foot is right on the ball, I've been surprised he hasn't been called for it prior.

I agree some lousy officiating, especially OL holding against the Bears and I think just 1 call

these PFF grades seem to balance on a player doing everything right, not dependent on snap count or even catches with receivers

[Yoop]

Alexander, 10 snaps, no PD's, I guess he looked good with a clean uniform.

Walker top 4 player on the defense, that can't be right, he missed an easy tackle on Williams

saw these grades and grabbed them, but PFF grades at times don't make a whole lot of sense

[BF004]

Seems like they cleaned up a bunch of penalties. Glad to know they can work on improve on glaring deficiencies mid season.

Now the goal will be to keep the penalties down while they shift focus to other issues.

[go pak go]

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Back in the old days, the Halas bears didn't want to come play in GB because the crowds and $$ would be much less than in CHI
And so Milwaukee games were the compromise in giving the Packers a "home" game and the bears the revenue they demanded. This was back when the NFL wasn't quite so flush as it is today

Fast forward...2024. Lambeau Field holds 20,000 more fans than Soldier and so the revenue shoe is on the other foot. Forever.
Even if the bumbling bears manage to build a crappy new stadium, it won't match Lambeau in seating capacity. Best guess is the fair weather fans in the windy city can reliably fill up about 65-70 K, maybe a bit more if they put together a quality product.

So they will always be a Second City to Green Bay when it comes to winning Titles and winning on the business side as well.

All new stadiums are going small. Teams don't want empty seats so they are pursuing quality seats at a more expensive price. I believe they figure it is a safer revenue model as teams are struggling to sell tickets when they are experiencing a bad season.

Lambeau Field now has the 2nd largest seating capacity in the NFL. (Metlife is first...looks like Dallas dropped theirs down to 80,000)

[go pak go]

Walker top 4 player on the defense, that can't be right, he missed an easy tackle on Williams

The guy he is competing against for MLB (Eric Wilson) was ranked 2nd on defense.

[Labrev]

And it's not like Walker had a good grade. 60s are average on PFF, and the low end of it is below-average.

Him being Top 5 with a grade like that does not show that we were too hard on his performance, it shows that our defense was disappointing in general that day lol.

[Drj820]

Many including myself was vocal that Gary was high on potential and low on results/productivity, and etc etc

But there is someone else on the roster who is turning into more of a bust than Gary…who was picked in a similar spot…and plays a similar position….LVN is a bum!!!

[MY_TAKE]

Many including myself was vocal that Gary was high on potential and low on results/productivity, and etc etc

But there is someone else on the roster who is turning into more of a bust than Gary…who was picked in a similar spot…and plays a similar position….LVN is a bum!!!

It would be very hard to argue with this.

[go pak go]

Many including myself was vocal that Gary was high on potential and low on results/productivity, and etc etc

But there is someone else on the roster who is turning into more of a bust than Gary…who was picked in a similar spot…and plays a similar position….LVN is a bum!!!

The Packers need to start figuring out why they suck at round 1 picks so much.

[lupedafiasco]

Many including myself was vocal that Gary was high on potential and low on results/productivity, and etc etc

But there is someone else on the roster who is turning into more of a bust than Gary…who was picked in a similar spot…and plays a similar position….LVN is a bum!!!

The Packers need to start figuring out why they suck at round 1 picks so much.

Gutenbumst. He keeps taking picks that get us no value on their rookie contracts. It’s shocking to me he has such an old school approach when the system is built to get value with players in their first 4 years on the field.

[lupedafiasco]

Seems like they cleaned up a bunch of penalties. Glad to know they can work on improve on glaring deficiencies mid season.

Now the goal will be to keep the penalties down while they shift focus to other issues.

So much to work on. This team can’t score in the red zone, they turn the ball over, they drop the ball, they commit penalties (1 game isnt a fix for me, gotta do it again), and they can’t tackle.

Gotta call it how I see it. This reminds me of that Vikings team from 2 years ago where they made the playoffs but won by the skin of their teeth every week. They were pretenders. This team looks just like they did.

[Labrev]

I'm sorry but saying LVN is a bust like Gary is preposterous. With Gary you saw the progression in Year 2, even if it wasn't translating to on-field production (that was due to factors that were not his fault). His pass-rush win rate was high and you could tell he had gotten better at his craft. And when he did get the opportunity one year later, he was a stud.

Van Ness has an opportunity that Gary didn't in their respective Year 2, yet not only isn't producing, but also is not showing improvement as a player. He arguably looks worse now than then.

That's what a bust actually looks like.

[Pckfn23]

[APB]

Many including myself was vocal that Gary was high on potential and low on results/productivity, and etc etc

But there is someone else on the roster who is turning into more of a bust than Gary…who was picked in a similar spot…and plays a similar position….LVN is a bum!!!

Gary, Clark, LVN, Enagbare, Wyatt, Brooks, Wooden...all of them are arguably having a worse year this year than in recent past. Some have inarguably taken a step backwards.

With the entire DL struggling this year, I'm turning my eyes toward the coaching staff. Something isn't right. Be it scheme, alignments, technique, whatever...something isn't right.