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[NCF]

Speaking of which, who is the next coach that gets fired?

Pederson or Daboll would have my bet.

[APB]

Speaking of which, who is the next coach that gets fired?

Pederson or Daboll would have my bet.

I thought Pederson would've been gone this week. He deserves it, fo' sho'...

[Labrev]

I don't think Rodgers is washed, he still seems to have a good enough arm, and vet QBs can get by in a lot of experience and savvy, in theory. Peyton did it in his final year as a pro with an absolute noodle arm.

The problem is he thinks he can be a de-facto OC, and while some great QBs have done that and been successful (Peyton Manning, TB12), Rodgers is actually legitimately *awful* at it. He needs to go somewhere with a good offensive coach or coordinator and play within scheme like he did with MLF in his MVP years.

Also, he chokes in the playoffs, so he's better for a team with low expectations like NYJ, where just getting to the playoffs will make him a hero, not a team that actually needs to win a Lombardi bc he can't get over the hump.

But which coach and GM wants to take on the drama in the hopes that they can make it work, at risk of their job? If the Jets don't take him back next year that's probably it for him.

[Drj820]

Rodgers whole problem is that he thinks hes smarter than any and all of his coaches.

He eventually thought he was smarter than McCarthy, he would not submit to lafleur as they had to create a "Rodgers-Lafleur Offense Love Child" blah blah, then he wouldnt hug Selah because he wanted everyone to know "Selah had nothing to do with the td"

Well what players are elite near 40 just off their own talent? Brady liked to be coached, brees liked to be coached by payton, manning liked to be coached.

Rodgers thinking he is above reproach when he hasnt won a title since 2010 is why he sucks

[lake shark]

I don't think Rodgers is washed, he still seems to have a good enough arm, and vet QBs can get by in a lot of experience and savvy, in theory. Peyton did it in his final year as a pro with an absolute noodle arm.

The problem is he thinks he can be a de-facto OC, and while some great QBs have done that and been successful (Peyton Manning, TB12), Rodgers is actually legitimately *awful* at it. He needs to go somewhere with a good offensive coach or coordinator and play within scheme like he did with MLF in his MVP years.

Also, he chokes in the playoffs, so he's better for a team with low expectations like NYJ, where just getting to the playoffs will make him a hero, not a team that actually needs to win a Lombardi bc he can't get over the hump.

But which coach and GM wants to take on the drama in the hopes that they can make it work, at risk of their job? If the Jets don't take him back next year that's probably it for him.

Can’t see him back with the Jets as they are going full rebuild. Browns, Giants, Raiders, Titans, Pats and maybe Rams if Stafford hangs them up or Dolphins if Tua gets another concussion. Cowboys are stuck with Dak I think otherwise that might have some interest.

[salmar80]

Can’t see him back with the Jets as they are going full rebuild. Browns, Giants, Raiders, Titans, Pats and maybe Rams if Stafford hangs them up or Dolphins if Tua gets another concussion. Cowboys are stuck with Dak I think otherwise that might have some interest.

If this was a normal team and a normal 40+ year old QB, I'd do a 1-year draft and groom. AR's contract is built so that 2025 is meant to be his last season with the Jets, anyways.

Fat chance of that happening.

I don't see AR staying with a new GM and HC, who won't bend the knee to His Highness. Davante and Lazard will be gone. No more wish lists, no more building to with AR, it'll be all building to winning after AR.

The Jets went All-In. And when that busts, it's All-Out and a 15-year-long vicious circle of suck continues...

[Papa John]

I would bet that he's done after this year. His heart isn't in the game. He believes he is meant for bigger endeavors.

[NCF]

I would bet that he's done after this year. His heart isn't in the game. He believes he is meant for bigger endeavors.

This is what I think, too. At 42 years old, we should also probably acknowledge that is just fine. He deserves to move on to the next chapter of his life. Like Favre has said many times, though, it's hard to know when that's it. Can he play? Yes. Does he want to do everything it takes to play at an elite level next season? I think that answer is no, but only Aaron knows for sure.

[NCF]

2015 Green Bay Packers syndrome.

[Yoop]

I would bet that he's done after this year. His heart isn't in the game. He believes he is meant for bigger endeavors.

bucking for a Government administration appointment,

[APB]

Speaking of which, who is the next coach that gets fired?

Pederson or Daboll would have my bet.

[APB]

The inevitable has happened, only sooner than most expected.

[salmar80]

The inevitable has happened, only sooner than most expected.

They were idiots for toying with bubble-wrapping him for the rest of the season as QB4. An honest demotion to QB2, or straight up cut probably woulda been understood, but not that public humiliation. Locker room essentially mutinied.

Now he will be in speed dial for playoff teams that suffer a QB injury.

[NCF]

Now he will be in speed dial for playoff teams that suffer a QB injury.

It's after the trade deadline, so technically, we has to pass through waivers first. Shouldn't be an issue given his contract, but a formality, nonetheless. There are teams with less at the position that could potentially take a swing at him.

[salmar80]

Press F to pay respects to the Giants' cap.

Overthecap.com:

Jones’ contract will be subject to waivers but it is doubtful that anyone will claim Jones’ contract as it still has $13.805 million in salary that has to be paid this year along with the injury guarantees for 2025. If he goes unclaimed the Giants will still owe Jones the $13.805 million as the salary is guaranteed. Jones will be allowed to double dip if he signs with another team if he winds up claiming termination pay with the Giants to recover any offset salary. Assuming he goes unclaimed, the Giants salary cap charge for Jones following the release should be $47.105 million for 2024 and $22.21 million for 2025.

The decision to sign Jones to the $40 million [per year] contract will go down as one of the great blunders in NFL history. In 2022, the Giants declined Jones’ $22.384 million option for the 2023 league year following three years of below average play and a 12-25 record as a starter. The Giants rebounded to make the playoffs in 2023 under the direction of a new head coach and general manager and Jones had his best season as a pro and helped the team upset the Vikings in the first round of the playoffs. Jones was now set to be a free agent in 2023.

The Giants had the option of franchise tagging Jones for $32.416 million in 2023 which would have been the optimal play for a player who potentially fit into the category of one season wonder. If Jones struggled the Giants would have been free and clear from Jones’ contract in 2024. Had he played well the Giants would have had the option to tag him a second time for $38.899 million in 2024 while working on a long term contract extension.

[salmar80]

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[Cdragon]

AR has always been styled as the smartest man in the room. Learning MM’s playbook before OTAs certainly helped him build that reputation. There are two ways to maintain your ego and position as the smartest man in the room.

One way is to put in the hard work, keep learning, and keep evolving into a better, more knowledgeable person. Give your ego a break long enough to say, I’ve got to learn this stuff and keep moving forward. You share your knowledge and accept input from others. It’s being on a team. But that is hard for certain personalities.

The other way is to make sure the other smart guys don’t get enough of a say in what is going to be the way going forward. Remain in the same system. Keep the new kids on the shelf or in the dark until you are forced to use them. Keep your old coaches and buddies around you. Keep things stale. The team concept doesn’t apply if you consider yourself the team. Live off your talent.

One way keeps you relevant in an evolving NFL the other way sticks you on the Jets with the old gang. We saw the difference when AR was forced to merge his game with MLF’s system. It took a year but they worked out a system together. And it worked he was back at the top.

If the Jets don’t dump him, the new HC needs enough pull, to drag AR back into a system. He doesn’t have the arm or legs to go it alone but he can play. He essentially has to kill the concept of Godgers. He has to realize, that guy doesn’t exist anymore. He’d have to say, I’ve got two years to commit to being a team player. Just bulldoze dirt over that entrenched ego. Say to yourself, I can still be good, I can still win, but I’ve got to buy into a system and learn with and help turn the kids into stars. Odds of that happening with any young coach. Pretty much 0.

[Yoop]

AR has always been styled as the smartest man in the room. Learning MM’s playbook before OTAs certainly helped him build that reputation. There are two ways to maintain your ego and position as the smartest man in the room.

One way is to put in the hard work, keep learning, and keep evolving into a better, more knowledgeable person. Give your ego a break long enough to say, I’ve got to learn this stuff and keep moving forward. You share your knowledge and accept input from others. It’s being on a team. But that is hard for certain personalities.

The other way is to make sure the other smart guys don’t get enough of a say in what is going to be the way going forward. Remain in the same system. Keep the new kids on the shelf or in the dark until you are forced to use them. Keep your old coaches and buddies around you. Keep things stale. The team concept doesn’t apply if you consider yourself the team. Live off your talent.

One way keeps you relevant in an evolving NFL the other way sticks you on the Jets with the old gang. We saw the difference when AR was forced to merge his game with MLF’s system. It took a year but they worked out a system together. And it worked he was back at the top.

If the Jets don’t dump him, the new HC needs enough pull, to drag AR back into a system. He doesn’t have the arm or legs to go it alone but he can play. He essentially has to kill the concept of Godgers. He has to realize, that guy doesn’t exist anymore. He’d have to say, I’ve got two years to commit to being a team player. Just bulldoze dirt over that entrenched ego. Say to yourself, I can still be good, I can still win, but I’ve got to buy into a system and learn with and help turn the kids into stars. Odds of that happening with any young coach. Pretty much 0.

reinvention is a lot harder than it sounds, McCarthy had to be fired prior to his attempt, of course, Rodgers is blamed for part of that, and it's why Rodgers wanted familiar faces on the Jets, last year's injury set it all back, and now ownership wants little to do with Rodgers or anyone he was able to get Douglas to bring aboard, IMO the curtain is falling on what was s storied career, lots of good, and too much bad, I have my doubts any GM will chance a closer relationship with Rodgers

[Cdragon]

I think there will be an opportunity. but AR isn't going to get the money he wants or the familiar faces he'd want as coaches and players. A GM and HC have to tell him, this is the system, and these are the guys. C'mon play in it, add your experience to it, but we're not breaking the bank or our backs bending over to make you happy. At best you're here two years, and while we've got a shot to maybe win with you, we are not throwing out all our long term strategy to give you everything you want.

AR ultimately makes the choice, join the team for a reasonable amount of cash, understanding what your role is, So does he want to end on a better note than the Jets?

[Yoop]

I think there will be an opportunity. but AR isn't going to get the money he wants or the familiar faces he'd want as coaches and players. A GM and HC have to tell him, this is the system, and these are the guys. C'mon play in it, add your experience to it, but we're not breaking the bank or our backs bending over to make you happy. At best you're here two years, and while we've got a shot to maybe win with you, we are not throwing out all our long term strategy to give you everything you want.

AR ultimately makes the choice, join the team for a reasonable amount of cash, understanding what your role is, So does he want to end on a better note than the Jets?

Good points, I don't think it will work out for Rodgers, yes he can still physically play, but mentally he looks drained, we'll see.