Packers Defense - 2024

[Pckfn23]

Wilson makes me nervous because i think Wilson has a lot of help right now behind the scenes and it's not supplements.

Where is this coming from?

just my thought is all

Just a weird reason to justify not playing Wilson, especially without any evidence.

[LombardiTime]

I think a lot of the angst for him is because we used slot 22 to draft him and many thought it was a reach, including me

He was a reach by all accounts but I don't care about that. I was actually pretty damn excited to have a LB with that pedigree and athleticism. I have argued for years that if that hits, it is well worth spending a 1st round pick at that position. The hesitancy and lack of instincts have been so damning though. I want to see this consistency that you seem to, but the only thing I see is consistent inconsistency.

When it comes to Quay Walker and hesitancy? You bet. He nearly always reacts to and almost never dictates the play.

Lack of instincts? Confirmed through more than 2.5 seasons of play.

Consistency? Absolutely. Quay is consistently disappointing, consistently out of position, and consistently misses his gap.

Perhaps most disappointingly, when Quay does meet a running back in the hole he consistently fails to stop him in his tracks ... turning a 3rd or 4th down run into a first down rather than a punting situation or a turnover on downs.

Indeed, I would personally have much more faith in Quay if he, even on an inconsistent basis, made more big plays. (And yes I saw that excellent coverage downfield on Sunday, but those plays have been way, way too rare).

Now Edgerrin Cooper is also undeniably inconsistent. He seems to be out of position a fair share of the time.

But, but, but, Cooper also shows explosiveness and shows promise as a disruptor. He even makes plays in the opponent's backfield.

Quay has failed to demonstrate the play making ability that Cooper has already shown.

I do not believe Quay would still be playing every snap on defense were he not a recent 1st round pick.

[Pckfn23]

To be fair, the LB who is consistently in position and unblocked is a HOFer!

[MY_TAKE]

Quay Walker, Lucas Van Ness, Devonte Wyatt. All high picks. ( I still really like Wyatt)

These are the guys you expect and need (based on where drafted) to be making winning plays in most of their snaps every Sunday. Its not happening enough. It would have been nice to have one of them guys emerge as a top player in the league at their position.

[LombardiTime]

The defense's DVOA ranking is now 16th overall.

[Yoop]

I think a lot of the angst for him is because we used slot 22 to draft him and many thought it was a reach, including me

He was a reach by all accounts but I don't care about that. I was actually pretty damn excited to have a LB with that pedigree and athleticism. I have argued for years that if that hits, it is well worth spending a 1st round pick at that position. The hesitancy and lack of instincts have been so damning though. I want to see this consistency that you seem to, but the only thing I see is consistent inconsistency.

When it comes to Quay Walker and hesitancy? You bet. He nearly always reacts to and almost never dictates the play.

Lack of instincts? Confirmed through more than 2.5 seasons of play.

Consistency? Absolutely. Quay is consistently disappointing, consistently out of position, and consistently misses his gap.

Perhaps most disappointingly, when Quay does meet a running back in the hole he consistently fails to stop him in his tracks ... turning a 3rd or 4th down run into a first down rather than a punting situation or a turnover on downs.

Indeed, I would personally have much more faith in Quay if he, even on an inconsistent basis, made more big plays. (And yes I saw that excellent coverage downfield on Sunday, but those plays have been way, way too rare).

Now Edgerrin Cooper is also undeniably inconsistent. He seems to be out of position a fair share of the time.

But, but, but, Cooper also shows explosiveness and shows promise as a disruptor. He even makes plays in the opponent's backfield.

Quay has failed to demonstrate the play making ability that Cooper has already shown.

I do not believe Quay would still be playing every snap on defense were he not a recent 1st round pick.

again, this is also a scheme issue, just go look at Walker as a rookie when Campbell was the mic ilb, 7 PD's 120 tackles 5 TFL, 3 FF, 1 for 63 yrds, and 4 QBHts lots of impact plays IMO, give someone else the green dot and move WAlker to sam, plenty of wheels to stay with any TE.

Cooper seems sharper mentally, let him set up the front 7, to me he's small for the MLB, but we can always put McDuffy there on run downs and slide Cooper out.

all I know is we've seen a lot better play from Walker than we are now, and he didn't lose it in 2 years, those are damn good ILB stats from as rookie.

Walker plays as the stay put set up guy for the front 7, the others are schemed up more to make impact plays

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... b/2022.htm

[Yoop]

The defense's DVOA ranking is now 16th overall.

what were they last year at this time? one year in a scheme most of these players are completely unfamiliar with and most are puppies, your really asking for a lot L T

Rebrovich/Hafely wanted to improve run stop, and jmo, but that is what I see, we have two DLiners top 5 in the league with RSWR in Gary and Slaton, it's not their fault the others have such terrible tackling technique

I think we were 12th a week ago.

[APB]

Interesting bit of data.

[Pckfn23]

SIGH...

[APB]

SIGH...

Zone defense isn’t in itself a bad thing. It how you play zone that is important.

The style with which Hafley disguises and changes up his zone coverages seems night and day better than that of Barry. Also, Hafley appears better at situational football and NOT playing zone with free-release 10yd cushions on 3rd and 4. Unlike Barry.

[Pckfn23]

SIGH...

Zone defense isn’t in itself a bad thing. It how you play zone that is important.

The style with which Hafley disguises and changes up his zone coverages seems night and day better than that of Barry. Also, Hafley appears better at situational football and NOT playing zone with free-release 10yd cushions on 3rd and 4. Unlike Barry.

100%. Add to that injuries and mobile QBs have probably stopped using from playing man as much as we would like.

I just wish the hype had lived up to preseason talk of more man.

[Yoop]

Interesting bit of data.

It is, but it's confusing, is Kruse looking from the offensive side and saying Preston mostly rushed right side? that would be right looking from the offensive side, but Preston had been our left DE/OLB, ya always look from the rear of the unit the player plays on, not that I pay as close attention as I used to, so I haven't noticed the switching up with Gary as well, just that it seems ass backwards

nice to see Gary back to form against the Bears, our dogs got to bark, take the leashes off, get pressure, our secondary lacks stud coverage, and we've given QB's to much time, now Alexander is out for a while.

we'll need to draft a few CB's , not only that can cover, but also tackle, no more wussies

[Pckfn23]

Left and right is perspective. LT is the left side of the offense, right side of the defense. LDE is left side of the defense, right side of the offense.

[Yoop]

Left and right is perspective. LT is the left side of the offense, right side of the defense. LDE is left side of the defense, right side of the offense.

really, since when? always taught to look from the rear of either unit, LDE is determined by looking from the FS position, OLT from behind the QB.

I bet I'm not the only one confused with the way Kruse described that

[Pckfn23]

You are saying exactly what I am saying.

[Yoop]

You are saying exactly what I am saying.

ahhh,you didn't say it that way, I don't see a perspective, Kruse used perspective and has GO PACK GO doing it, it's confusing, I think Preston was even listed as LDE in roster , so Gary is in fact moving more to LDE, not RDE, that's the wrong terminology, confusing right?

[go pak go]

Rashan Gary has predominantly gone against the RT and sucked doing it.

That made him the LDE. Last week he rushed from tbr RDE a lot. Got his sack from RDE

[Yoop]

Rashan Gary has predominantly gone against the RT and sucked doing it.

That made him the LDE. Last week he rushed from tbr RDE a lot. Got his sack from RDE

so your saying preston rushed the OLT all these years? that is 180 from what I've seen, Gary mostly did that, and Preston went against the RT.

I need to pay closer attention, my apologies, hadn't realized Gary and Smith switched sides as much as they had, that's why I thought Kruse was describing all position from offensive side.

[Pckfn23]

You are saying exactly what I am saying.

ahhh,you didn't say it that way, I don't see a perspective, Kruse used perspective and has GO PACK GO doing it, it's confusing, I think Preston was even listed as LDE in roster , so Gary is in fact moving more to LDE, not RDE, that's the wrong terminology, confusing right?

No. The terminology being used by others is correct. Perspective means the way your side of the ball is looking. Gary had moved from LDE to RDE. That means against the Bears he rushed mostly from the offenses left.

[BSA]

Interesting bit of data.

^^This is kind of interesting when you really think about it

I have read that most teams are right-handed when it comes to running the ball (TE aligned on offenses' right)
And the RT and RG are often a stouter dudes to get a push in the run game.
So the LDE is often asked to set the edge vs a stouter RT than what the RDE faces going up against the LT. That's tiring as hell and Hafley says he's trying to keep his pass rushers fresh in Q4

The flip side of moving is that Gary would see better pass blocking when facing NFL LTs
The flip side of that is right handed running teams often have a TE to chip on Gary when lined up at LDE- so even if the RT is just average, he's getting help more often than an LT. Lots to consider

Maybe moving him around is the answer and GB did that successfully with Z
.