Packers Defense - 2024

[Pckfn23]

The lack of any consistent pass rush without blitzing is really hampering the defense. This is especially a problem when our secondary is not playing well enough and makes it difficult for the secondary to play well. This is especially a problem against better teams. Not sure how much the defense can improve with the poor pass rush.

It's hard for me to judge the pass rush vs the Lions because frankly they make every pass rush look stupid.

Unfortunately, this wasn’t just the Lions. It has been as issue all season. At this point in time, it’s not going to go away either.

It got much better the prior 3 weeks.

[go pak go]

The lack of any consistent pass rush without blitzing is really hampering the defense. This is especially a problem when our secondary is not playing well enough and makes it difficult for the secondary to play well. This is especially a problem against better teams. Not sure how much the defense can improve with the poor pass rush.

It's hard for me to judge the pass rush vs the Lions because frankly they make every pass rush look stupid.

And they get the ball out QUICK! I would be surprised if Goff had an average time to throw much over 2 seconds.

Would press man be a good coverage vs Detroit? Disrupt the WRs on their initial spot and try and get their pass game off kilter.

[Pckfn23]

It's hard for me to judge the pass rush vs the Lions because frankly they make every pass rush look stupid.

And they get the ball out QUICK! I would be surprised if Goff had an average time to throw much over 2 seconds.

Would press man be a good coverage vs Detroit? Disrupt the WRs on their initial spot and try and get their pass game off kilter.

I think we tried some in the first half, but Williams ran away from us and Williams got hurt. It also is impossible to do against motion, which Detroit definitely takes advantage of. I would have liked to see us try it more than we did as it did seem to work outside of the first drive.

[Yoop]

The lack of any consistent pass rush without blitzing is really hampering the defense. This is especially a problem when our secondary is not playing well enough and makes it difficult for the secondary to play well. This is especially a problem against better teams. Not sure how much the defense can improve with the poor pass rush.

It's hard for me to judge the pass rush vs the Lions because frankly they make every pass rush look stupid.

Unfortunately, this wasn’t just the Lions. It has been as issue all season. At this point in time, it’s not going to go away either.

yep, poor hands jobs just can't shed their blocks, I thought, and still do, that it's the effect of defending rpo QB's games in succession, however now since we haven't faced them in a few games the pass rush has improved some, just not enough to protect our secondary, against a quick trigger like Goeff it becomes more acute, especially when we play zone and leave so many empty spaces.

[Scott4Pack]

For what it's worth, I think we had as many problems last night because of injuries limiting us as anything. If we can manage to get Jaire, Evan, and others back, I think we are going to be fine.

Even so, seems like St. Brown was pretty quiet most of the night. Even LaPorta could've done more damage. But that offense is loaded. And we still did pretty well overall. Still need to take another step forward before the playoffs. But our D is okay.

[lake shark]

Jared Goff, 10 of 10 in the 4Q just throwing over the middle to wide open guys. Doesn’t matter what players or defensive coordinators we have, the middle of the packers defense has been open since at least the early days of Dom Capers and, heck, maybe even back to Fritz Shurmur!!

[RingoCStarrQB]

For what it's worth, I think we had as many problems last night because of injuries limiting us as anything. If we can manage to get Jaire, Evan, and others back, I think we are going to be fine.

Even so, seems like St. Brown was pretty quiet most of the night. Even LaPorta could've done more damage. But that offense is loaded. And we still did pretty well overall. Still need to take another step forward before the playoffs. But our D is okay.

D isn't really OK yet because 34 points was too much for our offense to overcome in the hostile Ford Field environment.

[LombardiTime]

Jared Goff, 10 of 10 in the 4Q just throwing over the middle to wide open guys. Doesn’t matter what players or defensive coordinators we have, the middle of the packers defense has been open since at least the early days of Dom Capers and, heck, maybe even back to Fritz Shurmur!!

In addition to the soft coverage over the middle, giving up game losing drives has been a staple of Packer defenses for over a decade.

Was there anyone on this board who believed the Packers would stop Detroit on that final drive of the game?

[RingoCStarrQB]

Jared Goff, 10 of 10 in the 4Q just throwing over the middle to wide open guys. Doesn’t matter what players or defensive coordinators we have, the middle of the packers defense has been open since at least the early days of Dom Capers and, heck, maybe even back to Fritz Shurmur!!

In addition to the soft coverage over the middle, giving up game losing drives has been a staple of Packer defenses for over a decade.

Was there anyone on this board who believed the Packers would stop Detroit on that final drive of the game?

The defense is sometimes good. Other times it can be terrible. I'm wearied when offenses march down the field while our defensive coaches sit there acting useless. USELESS! No fire, no passion. Grab Grab Grab.

[Yoop]

Jared Goff, 10 of 10 in the 4Q just throwing over the middle to wide open guys. Doesn’t matter what players or defensive coordinators we have, the middle of the packers defense has been open since at least the early days of Dom Capers and, heck, maybe even back to Fritz Shurmur!!

In addition to the soft coverage over the middle, giving up game losing drives has been a staple of Packer defenses for over a decade.

Was there anyone on this board who believed the Packers would stop Detroit on that final drive of the game?

The defense is sometimes good. Other times it can be terrible. I'm wearied when offenses march down the field while our defensive coaches sit there acting useless. USELESS! No fire, no passion. Grab Grab Grab.

The Lions offense had the ball 12 minutes more than ours did, and used long drives to wear our defense down, we were able to hang with them due to several big plays, which was great obviously, but it's a losing formula against a well balanced offense like Detroits, we need better balance and production from our passing attack, what happened to our ability to scheme receivers open? the short quick hitters, it's harder to run the ball when the opponent knows that's what you will do, we have become to predictable

[APB]

In addition to the soft coverage over the middle, giving up game losing drives has been a staple of Packer defenses for over a decade.

Was there anyone on this board who believed the Packers would stop Detroit on that final drive of the game?

The defense is sometimes good. Other times it can be terrible. I'm wearied when offenses march down the field while our defensive coaches sit there acting useless. USELESS! No fire, no passion. Grab Grab Grab.

The Lions offense had the ball 12 minutes more than ours did, and used long drives to wear our defense down, we were able to hang with them due to several big plays, which was great obviously, but it's a losing formula against a well balanced offense like Detroits, we need better balance and production from our passing attack, what happened to our ability to scheme receivers open? the short quick hitters, it's harder to run the ball when the opponent knows that's what you will do, we have become to predictable

The Packers do it because they can…and they’re good at it.

[BF004]

We held the lions to 3.3 yards per rush.

If you don’t think that is directly correlated to Lions have success throwing over the middle….

Lions are a very very damned good offense, it was a pick your poison decision. Stop the run, stop the throws, or be average on both. Clear we wanted to stop the run.

Right decision? Who knows, in hindsight maybe not. Against a normal team who punts and kicks field goals and doesn’t get lucky (as in not sustainable) on 4th downs, we probably hold this team to like 15-20 points.

[RingoCStarrQB]

We held the lions to 3.3 yards per rush.

If you don’t think that is directly correlated to Lions have success throwing over the middle….

Lions are a very very damned good offense, it was a pick your poison decision. Stop the run, stop the throws, or be average on both. Clear we wanted to stop the run.

Right decision? Who knows, in hindsight maybe not. Against a normal team who punts and kicks field goals and doesn’t get lucky (as in not sustainable) on 4th downs, we probably hold this team to like 15-20 points.

Probably the right decision if you have competent defensive backs on the field. So NO, it was NOT the right decision as evidenced by Hafley's effen freaking defense giving up 34 effen freakin points.

[Yoop]

We held the lions to 3.3 yards per rush.

If you don’t think that is directly correlated to Lions have success throwing over the middle….

Lions are a very very damned good offense, it was a pick your poison decision. Stop the run, stop the throws, or be average on both. Clear we wanted to stop the run.

Right decision? Who knows, in hindsight maybe not. Against a normal team who punts and kicks field goals and doesn’t get lucky (as in not sustainable) on 4th downs, we probably hold this team to like 15-20 points.

Probably the right decision if you have competent defensive backs on the field. So NO, it was NOT the right decision as evidenced by Hafley's effen freaking defense giving up 34 effen freakin points.

flip a coin argument, but I watched Walker and McDuffy set up in zone as receiver after receiver caught passes right in front of them as they acted like robots in those zones, they were not playing the run on those passing downs.

I get the problems stopping the run as well as the pass, especially against a balanced offense that does both well, but zone coverage was designed to accomplish that task, that's the goal of zone coverage.

also have said plenty that we are young, and our CB's lack experience, and other than Jaire are very borderline as starter type talent, they do well on one play and act lost on others, the others is what causes our defense more time on the field, and my main complaint, we need to improve this position.

[Labrev]

The defense performed pretty well on paper for the most part, but our inability to defend the middle is an Achilles heal. People think it's because we are weak at CB, which is partly true, but we also lack the LB personnel needed to do so, too. I like McDuffie and Wilson, but they can be picked on in coverage. Walker has the athleticism to be pretty solid in coverage, but probably not who you want going up against St. Brown.

The good news is, the solution is on our roster, they just need to get healthy: getting back Jaire and Cooper. And for that matter, Williams, and Bullard. It went from bad to worse with those injuries.

Also yeah, a more disruptive pass-rush would be nice, but I think we kind of have what we have there.

Sorry yoop, we need to draft for defense in April.

[Yoop]

The defense is sometimes good. Other times it can be terrible. I'm wearied when offenses march down the field while our defensive coaches sit there acting useless. USELESS! No fire, no passion. Grab Grab Grab.

The Lions offense had the ball 12 minutes more than ours did, and used long drives to wear our defense down, we were able to hang with them due to several big plays, which was great obviously, but it's a losing formula against a well balanced offense like Detroits, we need better balance and production from our passing attack, what happened to our ability to scheme receivers open? the short quick hitters, it's harder to run the ball when the opponent knows that's what you will do, we have become to predictable

The Packers do it because they can…and they’re good at it.

hey that's great, no complaints, but that proves my point, up against better teams Watson making the big catches is predictable and not enough, we all love circus catches, but what good are they if ya don't protect the ball? which is a good description of his fumble, we all Love watching our players fight for more yardage, that is unless they cough up the pig as a result, plus hurdling players to do so exposes them to injury.
I think we do better when we can pass to all levels of the field and also run the ball, versus running and lobbing deep balls as much as we've had to.

[Yoop]

The defense performed pretty well on paper for the most part, but our inability to defend the middle is an Achilles heal. People think it's because we are weak at CB, which is partly true, but we also lack the LB personnel needed to do so, too. I like McDuffie and Wilson, but they can be picked on in coverage. Walker has the athleticism to be pretty solid in coverage, but probably not who you want going up against St. Brown.

The good news is, the solution is on our roster, they just need to get healthy: getting back Jaire and Cooper. And for that matter, Williams, and Bullard. It went from bad to worse with those injuries.

Also yeah, a more disruptive pass-rush would be nice, but I think we kind of have what we have there.

Sorry yoop, we need to draft for defense in April.

don't be sorry, I'am already on board with using first 2 picks on CB's, I wanted one in first 3 rounds in the last draft

[Labrev]

The defense performed pretty well on paper for the most part, but our inability to defend the middle is an Achilles heal. People think it's because we are weak at CB, which is partly true, but we also lack the LB personnel needed to do so, too. I like McDuffie and Wilson, but they can be picked on in coverage. Walker has the athleticism to be pretty solid in coverage, but probably not who you want going up against St. Brown.

The good news is, the solution is on our roster, they just need to get healthy: getting back Jaire and Cooper. And for that matter, Williams, and Bullard. It went from bad to worse with those injuries.

Also yeah, a more disruptive pass-rush would be nice, but I think we kind of have what we have there.

Sorry yoop, we need to draft for defense in April.

don't be sorry, I'am already on board with using first 2 picks on CB's, I wanted one in first 3 rounds in the last draft

I did too. I think Jordan Morgan will be a nice player for us, but a CB would have helped **a lot** more this season.

[Yoop]

We held the lions to 3.3 yards per rush.

If you don’t think that is directly correlated to Lions have success throwing over the middle….

Lions are a very very damned good offense, it was a pick your poison decision. Stop the run, stop the throws, or be average on both. Clear we wanted to stop the run.

Right decision? Who knows, in hindsight maybe not. Against a normal team who punts and kicks field goals and doesn’t get lucky (as in not sustainable) on 4th downs, we probably hold this team to like 15-20 points.

I couldn't figure out how to record the game streaming, so I can't pick out plays to refer too, but Walker and Wilson/McDuffy were giving up reception right in front of them all night, while they did well against the run, they lined up to deep all night, my point is why didn't our coaches have them set up a couple yards shallower, cut those interior routes off, I think these are realistic complaints.

this is the 14 the week of the season, and this kind of stuff has been a all season affair, yes it's been better at times, but it's our Achilles heel and to me the major reason we are 9-4 concerning our defensive issues, we all blame pass rush, and there are issues there to, but any QB with capable receivers can destroy our putrid coverage

[Yoop]

The defense performed pretty well on paper for the most part, but our inability to defend the middle is an Achilles heal. People think it's because we are weak at CB, which is partly true, but we also lack the LB personnel needed to do so, too. I like McDuffie and Wilson, but they can be picked on in coverage. Walker has the athleticism to be pretty solid in coverage, but probably not who you want going up against St. Brown.

The good news is, the solution is on our roster, they just need to get healthy: getting back Jaire and Cooper. And for that matter, Williams, and Bullard. It went from bad to worse with those injuries.

Also yeah, a more disruptive pass-rush would be nice, but I think we kind of have what we have there.

Sorry yoop, we need to draft for defense in April.

don't be sorry, I'am already on board with using first 2 picks on CB's, I wanted one in first 3 rounds in the last draft

I did too. I think Jordan Morgan will be a nice player for us, but a CB would have helped **a lot** more this season.

yep, thing is Gute, probably like all of us, still had unknowns concerning Rashad Walker and Ryan, and you'll have to refresh my memory about value of CB at the slot we took Morgan, I'am thinking the top 3 or 4 prospects were already taken, I liked a guy late 2nd or 3rd, but can't remember his name.

It's hard to complain to much with our 2nd rounders, Cooper looks like a starting lber, same for Bullard being able to play the slot, or safety, but late 2nd is when I thought we should have taken that CB, obviously Gute like Bullard more