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I see, so, it's okay to take a person's legs out at the LOS but not downfield. What is the limit on being downfield? 5 yards? 10?
yes, at the LOS people are engaged in blocking. Now you can't go low on someone engaged in a block, but that's basically the LOS's whole purpose, blocking. You are in position to protect yourself etc.
Out in space, people are running, speeds are faster, the game is different. So are the blocking rules.
as for the FG, I still say we had opportunity, so I'm not blaming it, but it was complete &%$@ and resulted in points that shouldn't have been.
We don't need to see the ball to see that 76's head is even out past the centers head with no ball in sight. He's head and shoulders into the neutral zone, he's head is likely on the other side of it LOL. at the absolute worst case situation, it should have been a do over from there. not 5 free yards
Sounds like the refs got the illegal formation on Wicks call wrong as well.
Kraft clearly signaled he was off the ball and Wicks correctly lined up on the ball. The Packers threw a screen to Wilson to convert on 2nd and 8 and the refs called it back it to make 2nd and 13. We ended up punting on that drive.
Yeah, welcome to the world of bad calls and non-calls by the Refs.
- Funny how fast scoring can happen: It was garbage time scoring... Until it wasn't. Being down 2, all timeouts left, plenty enough time to get a stop and drive for a winning figgy... That is no garbage time in my book.
- This may have been the worst performance by our WRs of the season, and it was contrasted by Vikes' WRs making play after play. Not only did we have WAY too many drops (many of them admittedly difficult), so many were untimely drive-killing drops, whereas whenever the Vikes needed difficult plays to be made, they made 'em (On just game ending drive the Jefferson catch in real good coverage, falling back catch to ice the game...). Maybe this stable of WRs can improve, but I sure wouldn't mind an investment or two there. I want a fierce camp battle and someone or few to elevate themselves to every game dependable weapons.
- Untimely was the word that stuck in my mind. Untimely penalties, drops, fumble, pressure allowed... Also, while we pressured Darnold occasionally, it seemed he had ages on the key downs.
- The Vikes and the Packers (and Lions) show how to build an offense: Get the Oline right first, and everything is SO much easier. Do it the Bears/Jets way and get a QB and plethora of weapons, and it doesn't matter whether you have a talented rookie or a vily vet, it's all for nothing if the OL is a sieve.
- Pass rush disappointed big time. Whether blitzing or not, the coverage often held for the initial 3-4 secs, but no one can cover for 4+ vs this receiving corps. Darnold can be shaky when pressured, and we failed at that. I thought Hafley actually emptied his bag and tried about everything, but he can't win the 1-1s.
- Love was disappointing also. Didn't get into a rhythm until too late. Too many passes unnecessarily off the back foot or with too much mustard. Simply need better from him to win in the playoffs. Also a reason why I'd play him for at least a half in the meaningless Bears game.
- Cooper is such a revelation. Those TFLs are legit. So many times he just beats the supposed blocker to the spot, leaving them grasping for air. Combo blocks where two OL start with double team and one moves to 2nd level to block the LB simply fail, since when the OL leaves the initial block, Coop is already past him.
- I can't with a good conscience say we're a better team than the Eagles, Lions or Vikes. But if we get the roster healthy, as an opponent, I'd HATE to face the Packers in the playoffs. We may be underdogs, but we're one helluva 7th seed... I understand some posters shielding their emotions from disappointment by throwing in the towel already. I, on the other hand, side with Theoden of Rohan: "If this is to be our end, then I would have them make such an end, as to be worthy of remembrance."
- I considered and still consider this season as the one where the SB window creaked open by a mere millimeter. We're probably too young and in need of development by several youngsters to win it all. But it's a step up from last year, we'll be able to keep the core of the roster together and have 'em develop together, most of the acquisitions have been hits. One more good off-season, and the window will swing wide open.
Everyone blaming the WRs when both MLF and Love said the Vikings played much more man defense than they expected and we weren't prepared for it. The adjustments came too late. So I'm assuming we were running Zone routes against man coverage with no picks or rub routes.
If this is true that is really bad coaching unless he is just falling on the sword for the players.
The Packers are capable of playing with anybody. To do so, though, it requires them to play competent, disciplined football.
No silly alignment penalties that stall drives. No dropped passes that kill drives. No missing on downfield throws to open receivers that are juuuust off. No blown coverages that make for easy TDs and 1st downs.
They’ve shown they’re capable of playing at that level but, for whatever reason, they haven’t done it consistently against the top competition this year and those teams make them pay.
Call it tightness, choking, immaturity…whatever. They just haven’t and it’s frustrating to watch.
I believe this Packers team is capable of beating the best teams, bar none. They simply need to play to the level they’re capable while eliminating the dumb stuff. Plain and simple.
If @Scott4Pack or anyone else want to reframe this as some kind of petty “better than/not as good” argument, have at it. I won’t waste my time with inane arguments.
I couldn't argue a single thing that you wrote above. Still, this Packer team has not played well against the best teams. The best teams have been better. The results prove it. It isn't just a one-time thing. We have five games to draw from. The Packers are not at the level that the Lions, Vikes, and Eagles are. That isn't a silly argument. Again, five games state the case pretty well.
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Well, that photo may not be exactly above. The fact that we can't see the ball tells me the photo was taken from a spot a little behind the Vikings line. A shot down the LOS would be better.
Sounds like the refs got the illegal formation on Wicks call wrong as well.
Kraft clearly signaled he was off the ball and Wicks correctly lined up on the ball. The Packers threw a screen to Wilson to convert on 2nd and 8 and the refs called it back it to make 2nd and 13. We ended up punting on that drive.
Yeah, welcome to the world of bad calls and non-calls by the Refs.
Oh please.
Not that we would have won, but a facemask on our QB n the endzone in front of two refs who magically couldn't see it 10 feet in front of them. I've seen so many of these calls non-calls this year it's hard to determine if they are really missing them or making it up as they go. You touch Mahomes and it's a penalty, you lay out someone like Love and they look the other way.
I came into this world KICKING and screaming, naked, and covered in blood that wasn't mine.
I am prepared to go out the same way if I need to.
Well, that photo may not be exactly above. The fact that we can't see the ball tells me the photo was taken from a spot a little behind the Vikings line. A shot down the LOS would be better.
Who was offsides on Green Bay then?
Can't tell from that picture. if there is one, however, if I were to guess, 55, his hand is way out there. A photo down the line would be better. If that photo is even only 5 degrees off from the dead center, it changes the perspective greatly.
I came into this world KICKING and screaming, naked, and covered in blood that wasn't mine.
I am prepared to go out the same way if I need to.
Well, that photo may not be exactly above. The fact that we can't see the ball tells me the photo was taken from a spot a little behind the Vikings line. A shot down the LOS would be better.
Who was offsides on Green Bay then?
Can't tell from that picture. if there is one, however, if I were to guess, 55, his hand is way out there. A photo down the line would be better. If that photo is even only 5 degrees off from the dead center, it changes the perspective greatly.
Everyone blaming the WRs when both MLF and Love said the Vikings played much more man defense than they expected and we weren't prepared for it. The adjustments came too late. So I'm assuming we were running Zone routes against man coverage with no picks or rub routes.
If this is true that is really bad coaching unless he is just falling on the sword for the players.
The dropsies returned. I think that is why we are down on the WRs.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
The Packers are capable of playing with anybody. To do so, though, it requires them to play competent, disciplined football.
No silly alignment penalties that stall drives. No dropped passes that kill drives. No missing on downfield throws to open receivers that are juuuust off. No blown coverages that make for easy TDs and 1st downs.
They’ve shown they’re capable of playing at that level but, for whatever reason, they haven’t done it consistently against the top competition this year and those teams make them pay.
Call it tightness, choking, immaturity…whatever. They just haven’t and it’s frustrating to watch.
I believe this Packers team is capable of beating the best teams, bar none. They simply need to play to the level they’re capable while eliminating the dumb stuff. Plain and simple.
If @Scott4Pack or anyone else want to reframe this as some kind of petty “better than/not as good” argument, have at it. I won’t waste my time with inane arguments.
I couldn't argue a single thing that you wrote above. Still, this Packer team has not played well against the best teams. The best teams have been better. The results prove it. It isn't just a one-time thing. We have five games to draw from. The Packers are not at the level that the Lions, Vikes, and Eagles are. That isn't a silly argument. Again, five games state the case pretty well.
You have, once again, argued a point I never made.
Again, the point I'm trying to highlight is the Packers, for whatever reason, do not play their best ball, or even competent football for that matter, when facing the best competition this year. Alignment issues, drops, coverage lapses, etc. Silly mistakes that, when combined, kill drives and lose ball games.
These mistakes have nothing to do with what the other team is doing or who is better than who. The Packers are beating themselves. It's frustrating to watch as a fan.
Yes, the Packers are 0-5 against the elite teams in the conference. Those teams are "better" than the Packers. However, if the Packers collectively pull their heads from their ass and eliminate those repeated self-destructive plays, they can beat any one of them. Of that I have no doubt.
The Packers are capable of playing with anybody. To do so, though, it requires them to play competent, disciplined football.
No silly alignment penalties that stall drives. No dropped passes that kill drives. No missing on downfield throws to open receivers that are juuuust off. No blown coverages that make for easy TDs and 1st downs.
They’ve shown they’re capable of playing at that level but, for whatever reason, they haven’t done it consistently against the top competition this year and those teams make them pay.
Call it tightness, choking, immaturity…whatever. They just haven’t and it’s frustrating to watch.
I believe this Packers team is capable of beating the best teams, bar none. They simply need to play to the level they’re capable while eliminating the dumb stuff. Plain and simple.
If @Scott4Pack or anyone else want to reframe this as some kind of petty “better than/not as good” argument, have at it. I won’t waste my time with inane arguments.
I couldn't argue a single thing that you wrote above. Still, this Packer team has not played well against the best teams. The best teams have been better. The results prove it. It isn't just a one-time thing. We have five games to draw from. The Packers are not at the level that the Lions, Vikes, and Eagles are. That isn't a silly argument. Again, five games state the case pretty well.
You have, once again, argued a point I never made.
Again, the point I'm trying to highlight is the Packers, for whatever reason, do not play their best ball, or even competent football for that matter, when facing the best competition this year. Alignment issues, drops, coverage lapses, etc. Silly mistakes that, when combined, kill drives and lose ball games.
These mistakes have nothing to do with what the other team is doing or who is better than who. The Packers are beating themselves. It's frustrating to watch as a fan.
Yes, the Packers are 0-5 against the elite teams in the conference. Those teams are "better" than the Packers. However, if the Packers collectively pull their heads from their ass and eliminate those repeated self-destructive plays, they can beat any one of them. Of that I have no doubt.
Another item is I would argue we have made dumb mistakes that hurt us all year. Game after game we have heard and saw how many points were left on the field. Only difference is vs the best competition, it actually matters whereas vs lower competition we win by 10 rather than 20 or 24, etc.
The 2024 offense has been frustrting for sure considering how much potential it has.
I will say, I think the Vikes pressured us well on defense. But we've also seen these guys play better than they did. Our Oline has seen as good and done better. Our WR's have seen as good or better and done better. Everyone got a little undisciplined if you ask me last night and to me looked like they lacked a little confidence at first.
The Packers are capable of playing with anybody. To do so, though, it requires them to play competent, disciplined football.
No silly alignment penalties that stall drives. No dropped passes that kill drives. No missing on downfield throws to open receivers that are juuuust off. No blown coverages that make for easy TDs and 1st downs.
They’ve shown they’re capable of playing at that level but, for whatever reason, they haven’t done it consistently against the top competition this year and those teams make them pay.
Call it tightness, choking, immaturity…whatever. They just haven’t and it’s frustrating to watch.
I believe this Packers team is capable of beating the best teams, bar none. They simply need to play to the level they’re capable while eliminating the dumb stuff. Plain and simple.
If @Scott4Pack or anyone else want to reframe this as some kind of petty “better than/not as good” argument, have at it. I won’t waste my time with inane arguments.
I couldn't argue a single thing that you wrote above. Still, this Packer team has not played well against the best teams. The best teams have been better. The results prove it. It isn't just a one-time thing. We have five games to draw from. The Packers are not at the level that the Lions, Vikes, and Eagles are. That isn't a silly argument. Again, five games state the case pretty well.
You have, once again, argued a point I never made.
Again, the point I'm trying to highlight is the Packers, for whatever reason, do not play their best ball, or even competent football for that matter, when facing the best competition this year. Alignment issues, drops, coverage lapses, etc. Silly mistakes that, when combined, kill drives and lose ball games.
These mistakes have nothing to do with what the other team is doing or who is better than who. The Packers are beating themselves. It's frustrating to watch as a fan.
Yes, the Packers are 0-5 against the elite teams in the conference. Those teams are "better" than the Packers. However, if the Packers collectively pull their heads from their ass and eliminate those repeated self-destructive plays, they can beat any one of them. Of that I have no doubt.
The word "better" doesn't need to be written in quotes. If one team consistently makes dumb mistakes and beats themselves and one doesn't, the team that doesn't is better. Period, full stop. Discipline is part of being a good team. Maybe the biggest part. Ever since LaFleur took over, discipline has been sporadic with this team, especially on the big stages against good teams. He is innovative as a play designer, caller, etc., but I'm not convinced he knows how to get a handle on a team.
"It's better to decide wrongly than weakly; if you're weak, you're likely to be wrong anyway."
- Bill Parcells
For the past 14 years, the Packers have been the bullies of the NFL. Consistently beat up on the weaker, inferior teams, while cruising to playoff birth after playoff birth- confidence building up along the way. Only to get pummeled once they play a real contender. For a team that has so consistently been in the mix throughout this time, you'd think they'd have a few more marquee wins against superior opponents under their belt.
"It's better to decide wrongly than weakly; if you're weak, you're likely to be wrong anyway."
- Bill Parcells
I will say, I think the Vikes pressured us well on defense. But we've also seen these guys play better than they did. Our Oline has seen as good and done better. Our WR's have seen as good or better and done better. Everyone got a little undisciplined if you ask me last night and to me looked like they lacked a little confidence at first.
I think the Jacobs fumble on the opening offensive series was more impactful than just losing the ball.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I couldn't argue a single thing that you wrote above. Still, this Packer team has not played well against the best teams. The best teams have been better. The results prove it. It isn't just a one-time thing. We have five games to draw from. The Packers are not at the level that the Lions, Vikes, and Eagles are. That isn't a silly argument. Again, five games state the case pretty well.
You have, once again, argued a point I never made.
Again, the point I'm trying to highlight is the Packers, for whatever reason, do not play their best ball, or even competent football for that matter, when facing the best competition this year. Alignment issues, drops, coverage lapses, etc. Silly mistakes that, when combined, kill drives and lose ball games.
These mistakes have nothing to do with what the other team is doing or who is better than who. The Packers are beating themselves. It's frustrating to watch as a fan.
Yes, the Packers are 0-5 against the elite teams in the conference. Those teams are "better" than the Packers. However, if the Packers collectively pull their heads from their ass and eliminate those repeated self-destructive plays, they can beat any one of them. Of that I have no doubt.
The word "better" doesn't need to be written in quotes. If one team consistently makes dumb mistakes and beats themselves and one doesn't, the team that doesn't is better. Period, full stop. Discipline is part of being a good team. Maybe the biggest part. Ever since LaFleur took over, discipline has been sporadic with this team, especially on the big stages against good teams. He is innovative as a play designer, caller, etc., but I'm not convinced he knows how to get a handle on a team.
MLF is the 2nd winningest coach in NFL history his first 100 games. Wouldn't that effectively mean his teams are then "better"? based on your description?
Discipline will always look bad when you only look at the games we lose.
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