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[Labrev]

Rodgers has set the record for being the most sacked QB of all time. Pretty fitting that the successor of the gunslinger who set the INT record goes onto become so risk-averse, learning from his predecessor, that he instead takes too many sacks and sets the record for that!

[Labrev]

Reports are that he and Garrett Wilson are at loggerheads and that Wilson will ask out of NYJ if they bring Rodgers back.

Wilson was asked why he wasn't more involved in the last drive on offense last week, and he said "some" feel he shouldn't be out there.

Rodgers fangirls were adamant that if we gave him great young talent, he wouldn't insist to play with his scrub buddies he trusts like Lazard and a washed up Cobb. Now he is alienating Garrett Wilson, one of the best young WRs in the game, for Allen Lazard. Let that sink in...

[salmar80]

Rodgers has set the record for being the most sacked QB of all time. Pretty fitting that the successor of the gunslinger who set the INT record goes onto become so risk-averse, learning from his predecessor, that he instead takes too many sacks and sets the record for that!

And this despite playing behind a pretty good to very good pass blocking OL in GB for almost all of his career... AR stood no chance behind this Jets' sieve of a line.

Luckily Love seems to have learned from that, and is very good at avoiding sacks.

[salmar80]

The Jets' clown circus keeps on truckin'.

They are apparently interviewing HC candidates.... before having a GM. And are apparently starting young and fresh with Ron Rivera and Rex Ryan

[Yoop]

Reports are that he and Garrett Wilson are at loggerheads and that Wilson will ask out of NYJ if they bring Rodgers back.

Wilson was asked why he wasn't more involved in the last drive on offense last week, and he said "some" feel he shouldn't be out there.

Rodgers fangirls were adamant that if we gave him great young talent, he wouldn't insist to play with his scrub buddies he trusts like Lazard and a washed up Cobb. Now he is alienating Garrett Wilson, one of the best young WRs in the game, for Allen Lazard. Let that sink in...

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blah, blah, blah, I know you feel justified now for hating our ex QB for all these years ( snark, snark, and more snark )

aside from Rodgers taking over for Woody and running the Jetsters, (someone needed to) I think it is really hard for any 20 year vet to take a year off, especially a QB, to mentally challenging of a position, but agree it's time for Rodgers to retire, too bad he may never join that 500 td club, and for him to think topping brady in sack count is a achievement shows how mentally deranged he's become

Sad really, he went from hero to an embarrassment with us, for the last 4 or 5 years he did more complaining than all of the 14 years prior, some of it warranted even if you won't agree, our WR room during that span sucked, but his attitude was even worse.
Garret Wilson nailed it, why would a young talented receiver want to be on a club with a QB who refuses to build some chemistry with them till after the season starts, Rodgers got too big for his britches

[Yoop]

The Jets' clown circus keeps on truckin'.

They are apparently interviewing HC candidates.... before having a GM. And are apparently starting young and fresh with Ron Rivera and Rex Ryan

can you imagine how hard it would be to attract top tier coaches with a owner who makes decisions based on Madden

[Crazylegs Starks]

The Jets' clown circus keeps on truckin'.

They are apparently interviewing HC candidates.... before having a GM. And are apparently starting young and fresh with Ron Rivera and Rex Ryan

*Tweet*

can you imagine how hard it would be to attract top tier coaches with a owner who makes decisions based on Madden

Ha! Yeah, not a lot of coaches will want to take on that dumpster fire

[Pckfn23]

[musclestang]

I only flipped in and out of that game, but every time I watched it looked like a bunch of quitters really and there is no way a 40 year old QB is going to survive behind that line. The Jets had some parts, they did, but they didn't have the parts to make it go with a near the end QB who's gone longer than most. When you go that route you have to protect the guy and they can't, not even a little bit it seems. I don't know what Rodgers has left for the game, but it's sure hard to tell when you watch the Jets Oline what might or might not be possible.

[Raptorman]

I only flipped in and out of that game, but every time I watched it looked like a bunch of quitters really and there is no way a 40 year old QB is going to survive behind that line. The Jets had some parts, they did, but they didn't have the parts to make it go with a near the end QB who's gone longer than most. When you go that route you have to protect the guy and they can't, not even a little bit it seems. I don't know what Rodgers has left for the game, but it's sure hard to tell when you watch the Jets Oline what might or might not be possible.

My bet is he announces his retirement before the draft. He will play this week just to break he 500 TD mark. But I would expect him to sit after that. All they do by winning is worsen their draft pick.

[Labrev]

More lolzy Jets dysfunction:

[Cdragon]

I only flipped in and out of that game, but every time I watched it looked like a bunch of quitters really and there is no way a 40 year old QB is going to survive behind that line. The Jets had some parts, they did, but they didn't have the parts to make it go with a near the end QB who's gone longer than most. When you go that route you have to protect the guy and they can't, not even a little bit it seems. I don't know what Rodgers has left for the game, but it's sure hard to tell when you watch the Jets Oline what might or might not be possible.

My bet is he announces his retirement before the draft. He will play this week just to break he 500 TD mark. But I would expect him to sit after that. All they do by winning is worsen their draft pick.

I could see him playing. There a few defective owners and GMs who might take a flyer if the Jets are paying most of the salary. But the only way it could really work is if you have a Coach with enough of a rep to sit him down and tell AR how it's going to work. None of your comfort blanket dying pros are coming to the party. You're going to show up early and often and turn the receivers we have into guys you will target. We can add some plays you love but it is not your offense.

If AR wants to end his career on better note, it could happen.

[musclestang]

He gets killed for it, but it's just reality. Most older guys aren't completely reinventing themselves in this league. Not Rodgers, not Brady, not anybody. They do what they do etc. Brady brought a few guys he wanted in Tampa who was stacked. Rodgers didn't have a Gronk to bring. He had Lazard.

They do it, because it helps with transition. Teams bring these guys in to help communicate between the mega player they're bringing in and the rest of the team. Teach the nuance when the man isn't around. How does he do things, what does he look at on any certain play, mannerisms, how to watch film with him what's he like, what do the little things that took you 4-5 years to learn look like on the field etc.

He didn't bring Lazard or Cobb because he thought they'd bring them to the promised land. I can't believe there are people out there that actually believe that is the case.

It's hardly unique to Rodgers. They don't do that for RB's pr WR's or really any other player on the field because it's not necessary. QB's are practically a coach on the field. When coaches change teams they bring players. Why? because it helps teach the nuance to the new guys when the coach can't be there all the time. Coaches bring other coaches they know, why? obvious. GM's hire coaches they know to build staffs a lot of times, not even just head coaches, but position too.

Familiarity helps with transition. That's the reason.

The problem with the Jets, They couldn't and can't protect an old QB. Many of us said that last year, which was moot because of the injury and said the same heading into this year. It has snowballed out of control at this point.

Rodgers would need to be on a team that can #1 protect and do it well and have all the other pieces to do well. Even then, he can't move or throw like before, but he's still as good or better than many I think. But he's not going to elevate the team over humps. The team will need to do that.

[Yoop]

He gets killed for it, but it's just reality. Most older guys aren't completely reinventing themselves in this league. Not Rodgers, not Brady, not anybody. They do what they do etc. Brady brought a few guys he wanted in Tampa who was stacked. Rodgers didn't have a Gronk to bring. He had Lazard.

They do it, because it helps with transition. Teams bring these guys in to help communicate between the mega player they're bringing in and the rest of the team. Teach the nuance when the man isn't around. How does he do things, what does he look at on any certain play, mannerisms, how to watch film with him what's he like, what do the little things that took you 4-5 years to learn look like on the field etc.

He didn't bring Lazard or Cobb because he thought they'd bring them to the promised land. I can't believe there are people out there that actually believe that is the case.

It's hardly unique to Rodgers. They don't do that for RB's pr WR's or really any other player on the field because it's not necessary. QB's are practically a coach on the field. When coaches change teams they bring players. Why? because it helps teach the nuance to the new guys when the coach can't be there all the time. Coaches bring other coaches they know, why? obvious. GM's hire coaches they know to build staffs a lot of times, not even just head coaches, but position too.

Familiarity helps with transition. That's the reason.

The problem with the Jets, They couldn't and can't protect an old QB. Many of us said that last year, which was moot because of the injury and said the same heading into this year. It has snowballed out of control at this point.

Rodgers would need to be on a team that can #1 protect and do it well and have all the other pieces to do well. Even then, he can't move or throw like before, but he's still as good or better than many I think. But he's not going to elevate the team over humps. The team will need to do that.

great post, never could understand why members here couldn't understand why Rodgers wanted Lazard or Cobb, you explained that better then I could

[Cdragon]

But at this point you don't have time for a transition. You are not bringing him into a totally unrelated O. There are plenty out there that similar and you just have to work out terminology.

You have a guy that somebody else is paying for, and he might be good. I think he can still play and he should move better another year past the Achilles. But if you bring in a Lazard, or MVS, or whoever. You are never going to get the guys on your roster any targets. The only young guy he consistently targeted was Adams. He has to come in with the attitude that I'm going to have make the WR room into players I want, by teaching them. Targeting them in practice. That takes some work and a bit of a personality adjustment from him. If you let him fall back on the familiar you'll never get that leap of faith from him. You'll never get the best that he has left.

The only ex packer I'd want to look at is Bakh. See if he can play at all. And give him an incentive laden contract. But yeah he needs a line and a lights out D like Manning had in Denver if you're dreaming of winning it all. He has better tools than Manning had at that stage.

[musclestang]

But at this point you don't have time for a transition. You are not bringing him into a totally unrelated O. There are plenty out there that similar and you just have to work out terminology.

You have a guy that somebody else is paying for, and he might be good. I think he can still play and he should move better another year past the Achilles. But if you bring in a Lazard, or MVS, or whoever. You are never going to get the guys on your roster any targets. The only young guy he consistently targeted was Adams. He has to come in with the attitude that I'm going to have make the WR room into players I want, by teaching them. Targeting them in practice. That takes some work and a bit of a personality adjustment from him. If you let him fall back on the familiar you'll never get that leap of faith from him. You'll never get the best that he has left.

The only ex packer I'd want to look at is Bakh. See if he can play at all. And give him an incentive laden contract. But yeah he needs a line and a lights out D like Manning had in Denver if you're dreaming of winning it all. He has better tools than Manning had at that stage.

True, he's so close to the end there isn't time for any of that, but familiarity with a player or 2 to bridge all the stuff that isn't just x's and o's from the system is valuable to any player. Even if it's just someone to talk to or break the ice with. Put an old guy at a party of 20 somethings that have been hanging out for 3-4 years every day. it's awkward in every situation, including a locker room.

you can do it without that, it's not completely necessary, but pretty much every player in the league and human on earth likes a little familiarity in a new situation. I don't think it's unique to Rodgers yet people love to rip him apart for it. I don't get it.

He was one of the absolute very best, and he was our's. it was time to move on, and we did. Can we be happy now?

[Yoop]

But at this point you don't have time for a transition. You are not bringing him into a totally unrelated O. There are plenty out there that similar and you just have to work out terminology.

You have a guy that somebody else is paying for, and he might be good. I think he can still play and he should move better another year past the Achilles. But if you bring in a Lazard, or MVS, or whoever. You are never going to get the guys on your roster any targets. The only young guy he consistently targeted was Adams. He has to come in with the attitude that I'm going to have make the WR room into players I want, by teaching them. Targeting them in practice. That takes some work and a bit of a personality adjustment from him. If you let him fall back on the familiar you'll never get that leap of faith from him. You'll never get the best that he has left.

The only ex packer I'd want to look at is Bakh. See if he can play at all. And give him an incentive laden contract. But yeah he needs a line and a lights out D like Manning had in Denver if you're dreaming of winning it all. He has better tools than Manning had at that stage.

True, he's so close to the end there isn't time for any of that, but familiarity with a player or 2 to bridge all the stuff that isn't just x's and o's from the system is valuable to any player. Even if it's just someone to talk to or break the ice with. Put an old guy at a party of 20 somethings that have been hanging out for 3-4 years every day. it's awkward in every situation, including a locker room.

you can do it without that, it's not completely necessary, but pretty much every player in the league and human on earth likes a little familiarity in a new situation. I don't think it's unique to Rodgers yet people love to rip him apart for it. I don't get it.

He was one of the absolute very best, and he was our's. it was time to move on, and we did. Can we be happy now?

agree, Rodgers was our best passing QB, ya can't take that away from him, and Lazard, Cobb, wasn't there another Packers receiver as well? whatever, none stopped the Jets from picking up Adams's contract.

turns out we kept him a year too long, could have gotten more from Denver the year prior, and the end of Rodger's career might have been better as well, water over the bridge now, hope he gets his 500th TD and retires and we never hear from him again till his induction HOF ceremonies

[Labrev]

That "great post" is just more excuse making that totally missed the point.

The criticism is not simply that he brings on guys like Lazard/Cobb or we believe he believed they would win us championships. The criticism is his scrub buddies got way too many reps over more talented options.

Lazard playing over Wilson is preposterous. It has nothing to do with transition, it's the second to last game of the year. It's politics, plain and simple. The politics of having Rodgers as your QB.

Also, nobody forced Rodgers to play for NYJ against his will. He went on Pat McAfee and said he wanted to play there, before we traded him. We honored that. Rodgers bitched in the last couple years about how the org is run in GB as opposed to other orgs, then he told us what specific org he wants to play for. He got his wish. The OL issues were not some secret or surprise, anyone with a modicum of football intelligence could see NYJ had that problem. He knew, or should have known, what he was getting himself into.

It's clear that until Rodgers has probowl players at every single position, the fangirls will blame it on the team for not giving him enough help (and would still even in that case do so)!

[salmar80]

That "great post" is just more excuse making that totally missed the point.

The criticism is not simply that he brings on guys like Lazard/Cobb or we believe he believed they would win us championships. The criticism is his scrub buddies got way too many reps over more talented options.

Also, nobody forced Rodgers to play for NYJ against his will. He went on Pat McAfee and said he wanted to play there, before we traded him. We honored that. Rodgers bitched in the last couple years about how the org is run in GB as opposed to other orgs, then he told us what specific org he wants to play for. He got his wish. The OL issues were not some secret or surprise, anyone with a modicum of football intelligence could see NYJ had that problem. He knew, or should have known, what he was getting himself into.

It's clear that until Rodgers has probowl players at every single position, the fangirls will blame it on the team for not giving him enough help (and would still even in that case do so)!

This. The bolded part.

I think this experiment also highlights something I've been advocating for years: It's super duper risky to let your QB have any hand in personnel decisions. If he does, it changes how the locker room views everything - cuts, reps, etc. The guy who gets cut in favor of the QB's buddy may be someone's best friend. In Garrett Wilson's case, it's bad enough that your QB isn't featuring you in a contract year, but it's doubly bad that the guys who are "stealing" his reps and stats were brought in by said QB. Even if AR wasn't favoring his buddies, it could SO easily be seen as such.

It worked out for Brady, 'cause A) he was able to bring actual upgrades over, and B) Brady can apparently do no wrong. Didn't work for AR, who couldn't bring over the ones he actually needed - his GB OL.

[wallyuwl]