Packers Defense - 2024

[Pckfn23]

Then we have this too:



Like everything, more context needed, but interesting none the less.

[Scott4Pack]

Valentine against a #1 would not get this type of recognition

Let's say for the sake of discussion that you are correct. <Ahem... clearing throat>

What about when Pack plays teams with at least 2 very good WRs. Look at the Vikes with Addision or Seattle with Smith-Njigba, for example. Valentine has still rated just fine. Throw in the Lions too. And we play Lions and Vikes 2x/year.

I don't expect Valentine to make All Pro. But I do believe he is under-rated and under-appreciated. I like him being on the field more often than not.

[Pckfn23]

[APB]

This dude is already really good.

[Scott4Pack]

Hafley is floating the idea that Coop was able to practice at a "new" position for him this week. I have no idea. I like it, but I want to be sure he is near the LOS. Edge?

[Pckfn23]

Hafley is floating the idea that Coop was able to practice at a "new" position for him this week. I have no idea. I like it, but I want to be sure he is near the LOS. Edge?

Well, he ain't playing safety!

I would assume they moved him to true Mike.

[BSA]

would assume they moved him to true Mike.

Hafley was asked about that possibility in an earlier presser and he said he likes Cooper at Will and turning him loose
I'm not sure Hafley said a new "position" this week, rather a new alignment. We'll see on Sunday

[Half Empty]

Holy smokes, Yoop.

I honestly think you just like to be contrarian for the sake of argument.

You've been around for almost five years, and you're just now getting this?

[Pckfn23]

[Pckfn23]

[wallyuwl]

Playing the AFC South and Saints helps. But there is also this...

[Pckfn23]

Playing the AFC South and Saints helps. But there is also this...

Yes, I literally posted that exact tweet prior to my post...

[APB]

A sentiment I believe to be universally shared among the fanbase.

I think you could lodge a similar complaint about the offense, too. There's just isn't a killer instinct personality in the building.

[Cdragon]

A sentiment I believe to be universally shared among the fanbase.

I think you could lodge a similar complaint about the offense, too. There's just isn't a killer instinct personality in the building.

You need a guy at MLF's shoulder don't care if it an angel or a devil. But somebody has to keep reminding him of the current strategic situation. Break him away from focusing solely on tactics.

[LombardiTime]

A sentiment I believe to be universally shared among the fanbase.

There's just isn't a killer instinct personality in the building.

I believe you've hit the nail on the head when it comes to the defensive side of the ball (and also Special Teams). Defense has been the Packers achilles heel for well over a decade now.

The GM has changed (though the current GM worked for the previous GM). The Head Coaches have changed. The Defensive Coordinators have changed from Capers to Pettine to Barry to now Hafley (who did a pretty good job and was a definite improvement over Joe B).

The scheme has changed with tweaks to the 3-4 and now a transformation to the 4-3.

The personnel has turned over and over and over again.

Yet, watching the Packer defense allow a rookie QB who has struggled mightily behind a horrible offensive line, especially during a now forgotten 10 game losing streak, march his team down for a game winning field goal was simply not a surprise yesterday. It was expected, indeed Williams did the same thing in the game in Chicago. I, like I'm sure many Packer fans, have simply become numb to the defensive letdowns at key moments.

Watching a Packer defensive line that features 4 1st round picks struggle to generate a pass rush against an opponent that has given up more sacks than any team in the NFL in Chicago, while Detroit relentlessly hounded Sam Darnold with players off the street and 32 year old Za'Darius Smith last night, just confirmed for me that defense is about attitude just as much as it is about talent. (Especially since GB generated little pressure against Minnesota the week before).

I fully believe that the people "in the building" fundamentally misunderstand what it takes to play winning defense in the NFL (much as I believe those "in the building" know what they are doing when it comes to playing offense generally and developing QBs specifically).

Oh well, I guess it is almost time to start wondering which defensive player we will be pick late in the first round .., to replace a previous first round pick who did not pan out as hoped.

[wallyuwl]

A sentiment I believe to be universally shared among the fanbase.

I think you could lodge a similar complaint about the offense, too. There's just isn't a killer instinct personality in the building.

Sometimes you have to just survive the down.

[Yoop]

prevent and coverage probably wins over pass rush in these late hail mary situations, and that's why coaches opt for that scheme, however, it has to be done better than our pitiful effort against the Bears, most will blame Hafley, but Barry, Pettine, and Capers did it to, HC go conservative because the analytics say prevent wins that outcome more than pass rush, brought this from Google

Prevent Coverage Advantages:
Reduces Big Play Risk:
Prevent coverage prioritizes preventing long touchdowns, minimizing the risk of a Hail Mary catch and score.
Forces Short Yardage Gains:
While prevent defenses might allow short gains, they aim to prevent the offense from reaching the end zone in one play.
Manages Time:
Prevent defenses are often implemented when a team is ahead and seeks to run out the clock.
Statistical Success:
Prevent coverage has been shown to be more effective in limiting Hail Mary success rates compared to an all-out pass rush.
All-Out Pass Rush Considerations:
Increased Risk:
An all-out pass rush could leave the defense susceptible to a long completion if the quarterback has enough time to throw.
Limited Effectiveness:
Hail Mary plays often occur in situations where the offense has a lot of space and time to throw, making a full-blown pass rush less effective.
Potential for Penalties:
An aggressive pass rush could lead to penalties, potentially extending the time the offense has on the field.
Analytics and Effectiveness:
Hail Mary Success Rate:
Hail Mary passes have a historically low success rate, with roughly one success for every 12 attempts.
Defensive Strategy:
Prevent coverage has evolved to become a more effective strategy against Hail Mary plays.
Prevent vs. Blitz:
Prevent coverage, with its emphasis on preventing long-distance completions, has been shown to be more successful than an all-out blitz in Hail Mary situations.
Conclusion:
Ultimately, the analytics suggest that prevent coverage is a more strategically sound approach than all-out pass rush for Hail Mary plays. While an all-out pass rush might seem like a more aggressive tactic, it carries a higher risk of allowing a long completion, while prevent coverage focuses on limiting the potential for big plays and managing the clock effectively.

[RingoCStarrQB]

prevent and coverage probably wins over pass rush in these late hail mary situations, and that's why coaches opt for that scheme, however, it has to be done better than our pitiful effort against the Bears, most will blame Hafley, but Barry, Pettine, and Capers did it to, HC go conservative because the analytics say prevent wins that outcome more than pass rush, brought this from Google

Prevent Coverage Advantages:
Reduces Big Play Risk:
Prevent coverage prioritizes preventing long touchdowns, minimizing the risk of a Hail Mary catch and score.
Forces Short Yardage Gains:
While prevent defenses might allow short gains, they aim to prevent the offense from reaching the end zone in one play.
Manages Time:
Prevent defenses are often implemented when a team is ahead and seeks to run out the clock.
Statistical Success:
Prevent coverage has been shown to be more effective in limiting Hail Mary success rates compared to an all-out pass rush.
All-Out Pass Rush Considerations:
Increased Risk:
An all-out pass rush could leave the defense susceptible to a long completion if the quarterback has enough time to throw.
Limited Effectiveness:
Hail Mary plays often occur in situations where the offense has a lot of space and time to throw, making a full-blown pass rush less effective.
Potential for Penalties:
An aggressive pass rush could lead to penalties, potentially extending the time the offense has on the field.
Analytics and Effectiveness:
Hail Mary Success Rate:
Hail Mary passes have a historically low success rate, with roughly one success for every 12 attempts.
Defensive Strategy:
Prevent coverage has evolved to become a more effective strategy against Hail Mary plays.
Prevent vs. Blitz:
Prevent coverage, with its emphasis on preventing long-distance completions, has been shown to be more successful than an all-out blitz in Hail Mary situations.
Conclusion:
Ultimately, the analytics suggest that prevent coverage is a more strategically sound approach than all-out pass rush for Hail Mary plays. While an all-out pass rush might seem like a more aggressive tactic, it carries a higher risk of allowing a long completion, while prevent coverage focuses on limiting the potential for big plays and managing the clock effectively.

I don't care what was / is more strategically sound. For what the Packers were playing for at that point in the game, the only answer should have been a serious blitz. GPS doesn't only mean Global Positioning System. Anyone who seriously thinks the prevent was the appropriate choice in that down and distance situation needs to take training / get schooled in the other GPS. Go Go Go! Pound pound pound! There you have it, and yes I feel better now.

[Yoop]

I don't care what was / is more strategically sound. For what the Packers were playing for at that point in the game, the only answer should have been a serious blitz. GPS doesn't only mean Global Positioning System. Anyone who seriously thinks the prevent was the appropriate choice in that down and distance situation needs to take training / get schooled in the other GPS. Go Go Go! Pound pound pound! There you have it, and yes I feel better now.


Don't kill the messenger, I felt so too, but again, who's to blame, Hafely, who has shown in the past, a lot, to bring pressure on 3rd or 4th and long, or Lafleur, who like McCarthy and many other coaches side with the analytics, which obviously after my last post side with some sort of prevent/

just saying rather than blame the DC, maybe blame the head coaches

[Pckfn23]

They didn't need a hail mary to win... They needed 15 yards. Prevent with middle of the field open made absolutely no sense given the situation.