Have An Idea For Ya

[NCF]

I am very interested to see what Policy's approach is to the General Manager vis-a-vis Head Coach reporting structure.

Personally, I am not in favor of the Head Coach reporting directly to anyone other than the GM.

I am also curious as to the current state of the relationship between the GM and the Head Coach in light of the fact that Brian Gutekunst did not hire Matt LaFleur.

Not trying to stir the pot and I sure hope it is not the case, but I would not be surprised to see MLF depart Green Bay before the Packers next win the NFC North.

We're almost 6 full seasons in and I haven't heard any rumblings of those two having a poor relationship, and other than 1 year, the team has made the playoffs, so I can't really see where there'd be turmoil, and if there is, the organization has done an amazing job of not letting that leak to the press.

It was a tough transition to make at the time, but I think it is the correct structure for the modern NFL. Too much room for finger pointing and blame to the coaching side or the personnel side. Just look at the final years of McCarthy and Ted. They should work together as equals. There should be checks and balances in the process that, if need be, are sorted through by the ultimate guy in charge. Russ Ball having an equal say in things, as well, is often overlooked, but it all works together, short and long term.

[Pckfn23]

I am very interested to see what Policy's approach is to the General Manager vis-a-vis Head Coach reporting structure.

Personally, I am not in favor of the Head Coach reporting directly to anyone other than the GM.

I am also curious as to the current state of the relationship between the GM and the Head Coach in light of the fact that Brian Gutekunst did not hire Matt LaFleur.

Not trying to stir the pot and I sure hope it is not the case, but I would not be surprised to see MLF depart Green Bay before the Packers next win the NFC North.

We're almost 6 full seasons in and I haven't heard any rumblings of those two having a poor relationship, and other than 1 year, the team has made the playoffs, so I can't really see where there'd be turmoil, and if there is, the organization has done an amazing job of not letting that leak to the press.

It was a tough transition to make at the time, but I think it is the correct structure for the modern NFL. Too much room for finger pointing and blame to the coaching side or the personnel side. Just look at the final years of McCarthy and Ted. They should work together as equals. There should be checks and balances in the process that, if need be, are sorted through by the ultimate guy in charge. Russ Ball having an equal say in things, as well, is often overlooked, but it all works together, short and long term.

I think where some people went astray in their understanding of the structure is they thought that Murphy was calling the football shots instead of just being a facilitator. Then when they wanted to play the blame game, he became an easy target.

[NCF]

I think where some people went astray in their understanding of the structure is they thought that Murphy was calling the football shots instead of just being a facilitator. Then when they wanted to play the blame game, he became an easy target.

Agreed. Murphy correctly has not involved himself in football decisions nor should he, ever. I mean, really all four of these guys are executives. None of them are where they are because they are unqualified. The job of the CEO is to facilitate, mediate, and keep his pulse on the guys working for him. If there is dissention or lack of results, I think his only job is to figure out if it's one piece that is broken or all of them and bring in the right guy/s to get it right again. It is totally understandable and natural that at some point, Policy might want to hire his own guys. It was pretty unusual for Murphy to hang on to the old regime for almost a decade, but it was somewhat protected by the old structure and, of course, a Super Bowl Title.

[Pckfn23]

I think where some people went astray in their understanding of the structure is they thought that Murphy was calling the football shots instead of just being a facilitator. Then when they wanted to play the blame game, he became an easy target.

Agreed. Murphy correctly has not involved himself in football decisions nor should he, ever. I mean, really all four of these guys are executives. None of them are where they are because they are unqualified. The job of the CEO is to facilitate, mediate, and keep his pulse on the guys working for him. If there is dissention or lack of results, I think his only job is to figure out if it's one piece that is broken or all of them and bring in the right guy/s to get it right again. It is totally understandable and natural that at some point, Policy might want to hire his own guys. It was pretty unusual for Murphy to hang on to the old regime for almost a decade, but it was somewhat protected by the old structure and, of course, a Super Bowl Title.

I think that is what makes the Packers such a steady and well run organization. They have a structure in place that doesn't lend itself to over reactions. That has bitten us at times for sure, but then again we don't get the Jets, Bears, Browns type of decision making. Ed Policy has been with the organization for so long, I can't see him moving on from Gutekunst or LaFleur without a genuine well thought out reason. (I know some would love to, but you don't fire one of the winningest young head coaches simply because we didn't reach seem to reach our full potential for 1 season.)

[wallyuwl]

LaCoach and Gutenbumst are in no danger of losing their jobs as long as the team makes the playoffs 50%+ of the time. Because in the playoffs "anything can happen" we're told.

[Yoop]

LaCoach and Gutenbumst are in no danger of losing their jobs as long as the team makes the playoffs 50%+ of the time. Because in the playoffs "anything can happen" we're told.

even you know that's BS, they have there jobs because they earned them, our drafts while we disagree a bit have produced talent, I don't like drafting groomers in round one, but all have shown high ceiling, if I admit sporadic to much, and Lafluer pulled off a miracle finish with Love last year.

again puppies !@#$ the pot all the time and if anyone should know that it's an educator like you, and this team has more puppies, alpha puppies some, than it does alpha dogs, imo that's what we are seeing, a few good plays, followed by a MISTAKE, that's a sign of youth.

[AmishMafia]

True story: i was at a gyro restaurant near Lambeau a few days prior to a draft about 7 or 8 years ago. Murphy was sitting 1 table over from me and my wilfe. He was alone and had a bunch of paperwork spread in front of him. I went to the restroom and looked over his shoulder on the way back to the table. Thought I might see something draft related, some player profiles or the something. Nope. Bunch of graphs with dollar signs and insurance options was the title.

Anyway, I like how the OP is being critical of Packers being 'draft and develop'. Yet the Packers had 2 of the most successful FA signings last season in McKinney and Jacobs. Also had a fantastic trade for Malik Willis. A trade, BTW, that could result in a great profit when he either company picks when he leaves or maybe trade value. Yet the anti-packer FO folks are just caught up in their mantras and can't really think much else.

Bringing in more talent in the last 2 years than maybe any other team, should be an indicator that things are going in the right direction for the Packers. They are young and are going to just get better. Some folks think winning the SB is easy and the other teams aren't really trying or something.

[Madcity_matt]

LaCoach and Gutenbumst are in no danger of losing their jobs as long as the team makes the playoffs 50%+ of the time. Because in the playoffs "anything can happen" we're told.

Or 83% of the time, but who's counting. I'd say his job is also fairly safe based on having the 4th best winning percent of a head coach ever? There is no hot seat.

[Crazylegs Starks]

I think the decision to play Watson vs Da Bears is the single worst mistake in the history of the NFL. Worse than hiring John Hadl. Worse than drafting Mandarich...

[Acrobat]

True story: i was at a gyro restaurant near Lambeau a few days prior to a draft about 7 or 8 years ago. Murphy was sitting 1 table over from me and my wilfe. He was alone and had a bunch of paperwork spread in front of him. I went to the restroom and looked over his shoulder on the way back to the table. Thought I might see something draft related, some player profiles or the something. Nope. Bunch of graphs with dollar signs and insurance options was the title.

Anyway, I like how the OP is being critical of Packers being 'draft and develop'. Yet the Packers had 2 of the most successful FA signings last season in McKinney and Jacobs. Also had a fantastic trade for Malik Willis. A trade, BTW, that could result in a great profit when he either company picks when he leaves or maybe trade value. Yet the anti-packer FO folks are just caught up in their mantras and can't really think much else.

Bringing in more talent in the last 2 years than maybe any other team, should be an indicator that things are going in the right direction for the Packers. They are young and are going to just get better. Some folks think winning the SB is easy and the other teams aren't really trying or something.

Great post. I'm also not 100% certain that Willis isn't kept around to be the QB of the future if Love plateaus or regresses more.

[wallyuwl]

LaCoach and Gutenbumst are in no danger of losing their jobs as long as the team makes the playoffs 50%+ of the time. Because in the playoffs "anything can happen" we're told.

Or 83% of the time, but who's counting. I'd say his job is also fairly safe based on having the 4th best winning percent of a head coach ever? There is no hot seat.

I realize LaCoach has a good record and playoff rate is higher than 50%. My point is that neither will be required to take the jump and become great in order to keep their jobs (note: I think LaCoach is probably 70% percentile as a quality coach and can develop into 90% percentile) and could even regress a bit and still keep their jobs, and is more directed towards Gute.

[lake shark]

True story: i was at a gyro restaurant near Lambeau a few days prior to a draft about 7 or 8 years ago. Murphy was sitting 1 table over from me and my wilfe. He was alone and had a bunch of paperwork spread in front of him. I went to the restroom and looked over his shoulder on the way back to the table. Thought I might see something draft related, some player profiles or the something. Nope. Bunch of graphs with dollar signs and insurance options was the title.

Anyway, I like how the OP is being critical of Packers being 'draft and develop'. Yet the Packers had 2 of the most successful FA signings last season in McKinney and Jacobs. Also had a fantastic trade for Malik Willis. A trade, BTW, that could result in a great profit when he either company picks when he leaves or maybe trade value. Yet the anti-packer FO folks are just caught up in their mantras and can't really think much else.

Bringing in more talent in the last 2 years than maybe any other team, should be an indicator that things are going in the right direction for the Packers. They are young and are going to just get better. Some folks think winning the SB is easy and the other teams aren't really trying or something.

Great post. I'm also not 100% certain that Willis isn't kept around to be the QB of the future if Love plateaus or regresses more.

Willis contract expires next year so they would need to trade him this offseason or before the deadline next year to get any value other than a comp pick. I’m pretty sure they aren’t going to pay him what he will command to be a backup after that.

[WhiskeyIndigo]

Well, here we are again. Know the definition of insanity?

Someone does.

[Drj820]

They’ll never listen. We lose the same ways and the same guys go “well it’s hard to win a Super Bowl” as if that’s breaking news.

[LombardiTime]

In 2024, the Packers stayed YOUNG.

The Packers also stayed COMPETITIVE.

And, once again, the Packers are staying HOME FOR THE SUPER BOWL.

I hope and pray that Ed Policy demands some changes, but I fully expect to see the Packers continue to operate just as they have over the past decade plus.

Oh well, I guess the draft is coming up in a few months.

[Cdragon]

Definition of insanity? Being declared insane by a medical professional. It is not rooting for your favorite football team.

[go pak go]

They’ll never listen. We lose the same ways and the same guys go “well it’s hard to win a Super Bowl” as if that’s breaking news.

I was always told the Packers suck on D and can't run the ball.

This year we were great on D and could run the ball. Also have an amazing punter and kicker.

Very different Packers team compared to former teams I know.

[Gunzaan]

The obvious direction of this team is wild card/1st round loss every year for the next 5+ years, aka the Love era.

To some people, that’s fine, it means more wins than losses throughout the year and the beer is flowing so who cares, eh?

Other people equate fun with actual success vs the best competition. Packers were 0-6 vs Eagles/Lions/Queens. Regression at every level on offense, which is the forte of our ‘genius’ HC. Regression on penalties and overall discipline. He hired a good defensive coordinator, so there is that, but it seems apparent to see and acknowledge the “doom and gloom” surrounding the performance and outcome of the 2024 Green Bay Packers. It was pathetically disappointing.

[Gunzaan]

They’ll never listen. We lose the same ways and the same guys go “well it’s hard to win a Super Bowl” as if that’s breaking news.

I was always told the Packers suck on D and can't run the ball.

This year we were great on D and could run the ball. Also have an amazing punter and kicker.

Very different Packers team compared to former teams I know.

That kicker cost us quite a bit today. The punter could be considered amazing the first third of the season, that’s about it.

It was slightly different, but same old result as basically every other year.

Rose colored glasses, drinking the kool aid, whatever you want to call it, you are certainly a Green Bay Packers Apologist.

[go pak go]

They’ll never listen. We lose the same ways and the same guys go “well it’s hard to win a Super Bowl” as if that’s breaking news.

I was always told the Packers suck on D and can't run the ball.

This year we were great on D and could run the ball. Also have an amazing punter and kicker.

Very different Packers team compared to former teams I know.

That kicker cost us quite a bit today. The punter could be considered amazing the first third of the season, that’s about it.

It was slightly different, but same old result as basically every other year.

Rose colored glasses, drinking the kool aid, whatever you want to call it, you are certainly a Green Bay Packers Apologist.

We are a different team this year. We lost and were deficient primarily because our passing attack was insufficient and sorely underwhelming and our players can't hold onto the damn football.

The "same ole Packers" got beat in different ways. We used to score quick and often but got destroyed on defense and without any running ability.

This is not the same Green Bay Packers. You don't need rose colored glasses to see that.