Kraft Calls for Cultural Revolution
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Kraft isn't talking about Love. Odds are he is talking about Musgrave.
just turn on reruns of this seasons games, and it rears it's ugly head often enough. and the only person asking for specifics is you, to often we looked like a team minus any plan to win minus just running and defense.
I gotta go now, the movie the Good (which was the run and defense) the bad (which was LOve) and the ugly (which basically describes our passing game) is on
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I don't see anything like what you are describing please be more specific. Can you tell me where we can find this: "Love walks to the side line, head down like a dejected step child."Yoop wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025 12:17just turn on reruns of this seasons games, and it rears it's ugly head often enough. and the only person asking for specifics is you, to often we looked like a team minus any plan to win minus just running and defense.
I gotta go now, the movie the Good (which was the run and defense) the bad (which was LOve) and the ugly (which basically describes our passing game) is on
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
There is actually a middle ground between these two positions. You can hold people accountable, even sternly, without going to a point where it's counterproductive.
I actually thought that early years Rodgers did the right amount of this. Over time though, he got carried away. Letting everything slide as Love seems to do is too far in the other direction.
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“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
I think around the year 2012 is where I started to see that change in Rodgers.Labrev wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025 12:52There is actually a middle ground between these two positions. You can hold people accountable, even sternly, without going to a point where it's counterproductive.
I actually thought that early years Rodgers did the right amount of this. Over time though, he got carried away. Letting everything slide as Love seems to do is too far in the other direction.
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In respect to what all of you guys have said, I offer:
1. Go to the list of whom MLF wants to stay in touch with to know the pulse of the lockerroom. Jaire is NOT on that list. It doesn't mean he is a bad guy, just that he doesn't necessarily lead the other guys very much.
2. Guty played his part in talking about the need to focus on it being time to start winning championships. That'll flow down via MLF and the coaches and the leaders in the uniforms. This'll be a memorable detail come next season, seeing what kind of fruit is produced.
3. I have two extended family members who tried out in the NFL as UDFAs. Both of them talked about how they were shocked that more of the "pro" athletes were sort of going through the motions. Maybe they were just "camp bodies" or thought they'd only get one contract, or whatever. The point was that players who were being paid a LOT of money didn't necessarily push out their effort to match. And taking plays off... A very good coach will always know which guys those are and then do something about it. They have to motivate the bottom of the roster and not just the top.
4. I don't read into Kraft's message a lot. We won't ever know specifically who he was talking about or if it was a handful of guys.
5. Remember the way Favre said that it wasn't his job to bring up Rodgers? I just saw a video today of Joe Montana saying the same thing about Steve Young. In fact, he said it was always his job to assure that Young stayed on the bench, so that Montana could keep playing. That's not ego. It's the competitive nature. But for Montana, he didn't limit Young. He just made his case to management that he was still a better QB than Young and let his work speak for itself.
1. Go to the list of whom MLF wants to stay in touch with to know the pulse of the lockerroom. Jaire is NOT on that list. It doesn't mean he is a bad guy, just that he doesn't necessarily lead the other guys very much.
2. Guty played his part in talking about the need to focus on it being time to start winning championships. That'll flow down via MLF and the coaches and the leaders in the uniforms. This'll be a memorable detail come next season, seeing what kind of fruit is produced.
3. I have two extended family members who tried out in the NFL as UDFAs. Both of them talked about how they were shocked that more of the "pro" athletes were sort of going through the motions. Maybe they were just "camp bodies" or thought they'd only get one contract, or whatever. The point was that players who were being paid a LOT of money didn't necessarily push out their effort to match. And taking plays off... A very good coach will always know which guys those are and then do something about it. They have to motivate the bottom of the roster and not just the top.
4. I don't read into Kraft's message a lot. We won't ever know specifically who he was talking about or if it was a handful of guys.
5. Remember the way Favre said that it wasn't his job to bring up Rodgers? I just saw a video today of Joe Montana saying the same thing about Steve Young. In fact, he said it was always his job to assure that Young stayed on the bench, so that Montana could keep playing. That's not ego. It's the competitive nature. But for Montana, he didn't limit Young. He just made his case to management that he was still a better QB than Young and let his work speak for itself.
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I don't think the current Packers are "soft," as has been the knock on them for a long time. This season they were much more willing to be physical than I have seen in years past, but they have been very undisciplined, and need to become a lot more professional.
Kraft comes from rural America and sounds like he has the wisdom that comes with that, not unlike Mao Tse-tung, who also hailed from the countryside and led a successful revolution (including culturally) in China; I definitely feel like the locker room could use this type of leadership.
Kraft comes from rural America and sounds like he has the wisdom that comes with that, not unlike Mao Tse-tung, who also hailed from the countryside and led a successful revolution (including culturally) in China; I definitely feel like the locker room could use this type of leadership.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
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There. fixed it.Labrev wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025 16:59Kraft comes from rural America and sounds like he has the wisdom that comes with that, not unlike Mao Tse-tung, who also hailed from the countryside and led a successful enslavement (including culturally) in China; I definitely feel like the locker room could use this type of leadership.
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Good grief!!
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
Doesn’t all of this fall of the head coach’s shoulders?musclestang wrote: ↑16 Jan 2025 05:31I'm 100% comfortable with a guy like Kraft saying it. I hope it pisses off the ones it's supposed to as well and they cause more problems so we can just get them gone. He's 1 of 2 guys that showed up every game to play. You want more of those guys on your team. That guy loves football and you can see the work he puts in every week on game day. I love guys like that. Adams was like that, Rodgers was like that, Jordy was like that. Lots of others, but you get my point.Labrev wrote: ↑15 Jan 2025 16:39Tucker Kraft had interesting exit-interview comments that: the team struggled to finish, that one could feel what was brewing, that they learned valuable things about individuals on the team and the way they can impact the team, and that he needs to be a vocal leader.
What do people make of these comments?
and this has been an issue spanning seasons. Rodgers alluded to it, we need accountability, we need focus, we need guys to understand their roles etc. Rasul said it, we need accountability, basically saying there are some not doing their work and skating by. We could see it this year. Penalties, presnap, lack of focus, coming out slow, looking completely unprepared to start a football game, week after week. Dropped footballs etc.
For some guys I think it's just who they are and we need to get them gone. For others, I think they were so young they let the press clippings from last year affect their preparation this year. I'm hoping they learned a bit from it and focus more on their craft moving forward.
and for the trouble makers, see ya.