Changes to Make

[BF004]

[NCF]

On a semi-related note, the documentary about this song on Netflix was fantastic.

[LombardiTime]

I am apparently in the minority who is not all that down on Jordan Love's performance this season.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he progressed much if at all in 2024 but I still see a lot of promise in his game.

That said, I am apparently also an outlier when it comes to how good the wide receivers are.

More specifically, I think Doubs is a physically limited possession receiver with little upside and now a track record of concussions. I also think his quitting on the team during the season is a huge red flag that the team ignores at its peril.

Watson is physically gifted, but after three seasons I have serious doubts about his durability. I also view his on the field play as being not much better than what MVS gave us. Coming off of an ACL, does anyone seriously expect Watson to contribute much in 2025 -- his contract year? I sure don't.

I asee Wicks as a 5th round pick with poor hands. He also lacks explosiveness.

The only current guy I have much faith in is Jayden Reed and that is purely as a slot receiver.

Comparing the Pack's WR room with those of the NFC teams still left in the playoffs shows GB's talent is not close to its competitors.

Washington (Terry McLaurin)
Detroit (Amon-Ra St. Brown & Jameson Williams)
Philly (AJ Brown & DeVonta Smith)
LA Rams (Puka Nacua & Cooper Kupp)
Minnesota (Justin Jefferson & Jordan Addison)

I expect that if the Packers give Jordan Love some better receivers to throw to his production will increase correspondingly.

I actually agree with what you are saying, with the exception of Watson. I think Watson is a much better player than MVS, He can make plays over the middle and is a pretty decent blocker. Unfortunately, he does seem too fragile for the NFL. I do feel we need a significant upgrade to our WRs. We need WRs who can actually get open more often and this will help make Love a better QB.

Years 1-3 for MVS = 97 catches for 1,723 yards (17.8 ypc) and 10 TDs.
Years 1-3 for Watson = 96 catches for 1,653 yards (16.9 ypc) and 14 TDs.

I'd love for Watson to be a much better player than MVS was for us, but, even before suffering the ACL, Christian just was not that different than MVS even down to the painful deep ball drops.

[go pak go]

The difference between MVS and Watson is the run blocking. Yoho hit the nail on the head with that.

[Drj820]

You don’t get a prize for being the youngest nfl team. You get a prize for fielding a team that wins playoff games. Maybe being youngest team isn’t actually a cool thing?

[Yoop]

I am apparently in the minority who is not all that down on Jordan Love's performance this season.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he progressed much if at all in 2024 but I still see a lot of promise in his game.

That said, I am apparently also an outlier when it comes to how good the wide receivers are.

More specifically, I think Doubs is a physically limited possession receiver with little upside and now a track record of concussions. I also think his quitting on the team during the season is a huge red flag that the team ignores at its peril.

Watson is physically gifted, but after three seasons I have serious doubts about his durability. I also view his on the field play as being not much better than what MVS gave us. Coming off of an ACL, does anyone seriously expect Watson to contribute much in 2025 -- his contract year? I sure don't.

I asee Wicks as a 5th round pick with poor hands. He also lacks explosiveness.

The only current guy I have much faith in is Jayden Reed and that is purely as a slot receiver.

Comparing the Pack's WR room with those of the NFC teams still left in the playoffs shows GB's talent is not close to its competitors.

Washington (Terry McLaurin)
Detroit (Amon-Ra St. Brown & Jameson Williams)
Philly (AJ Brown & DeVonta Smith)
LA Rams (Puka Nacua & Cooper Kupp)
Minnesota (Justin Jefferson & Jordan Addison)

I expect that if the Packers give Jordan Love some better receivers to throw to his production will increase correspondingly.

I actually agree with what you are saying, with the exception of Watson. I think Watson is a much better player than MVS, He can make plays over the middle and is a pretty decent blocker. Unfortunately, he does seem too fragile for the NFL. I do feel we need a significant upgrade to our WRs. We need WRs who can actually get open more often and this will help make Love a better QB.

Years 1-3 for MVS = 97 catches for 1,723 yards (17.8 ypc) and 10 TDs.
Years 1-3 for Watson = 96 catches for 1,653 yards (16.9 ypc) and 14 TDs.

I'd love for Watson to be a much better player than MVS was for us, but, even before suffering the ACL, Christian just was not that different than MVS even down to the painful deep ball drops.

MVS career catch per targets = 49%, WAtson 56 %, there's a reason WAtson was considered late first or early second round pick, and Scantling was a 5th rounder, not to say that catch rate is that great, but WAtsons had basically a rookie QB, and MVS has had several of the best

[Drj820]

MVS is all about the wage

Get him in here for 4m per year…let’s do it

5m…maybe

Anymore…no thanks

[lupedafiasco]

I wouldn’t even call MVS. I wouldn’t take him if he took the vet minimum. The dudes 30 and is known for being a deep threat with questionable hands and not a great tracker. Lord knows he wasn’t a good route runner. Once that speed goes he’s useless and at 30 he’s only getting slower.

[go pak go]

Yeah the conversation of signing MVS was an unexpected turn in this conversation.

[Scott4Pack]

I wouldn’t even call MVS. I wouldn’t take him if he took the vet minimum. The dudes 30 and is known for being a deep threat with questionable hands and not a great tracker. Lord knows he wasn’t a good route runner. Once that speed goes he’s useless and at 30 he’s only getting slower.

At this point, you have mentioned probably the one reason that we won't bring MVS. He doesn't block. It's a non-starter dude.

[BF004]

[Half Empty]

I thought they needed more pass rush.

[NCF]

I thought they needed more pass rush.

They need DL who are not technically mental. That starts with better coaching.

[lupedafiasco]

They need a better 3 technique which is super hard to come by and some type of edge rusher than can win with pure speed.

[YoHoChecko]

They need a better 3 technique which is super hard to come by and some type of edge rusher than can win with pure speed.

I don't think they need a better 3-tech. I think Wyatt and Brooks are scratching the surface of what they can be and the DL coach was identified even before the process began as having technical development as a weak point.

Also, Wyatt is already giving us about what Cullen Jenkins used to and people thought he was some pass rushing saint for some reason. The past two seasons, Wyatt has 5-5.5 sacks, 9-11 QB hits and 6-9 TFL. That is a solid (not great) stat line for a 3-tech. Obviously he needs to finish better, but I don't see 3-tech as a weak point on the roster so much as I see stagnating talent.


Agree on the edge, though

[go pak go]

They need a better 3 technique which is super hard to come by and some type of edge rusher than can win with pure speed.

I don't think they need a better 3-tech. I think Wyatt and Brooks are scratching the surface of what they can be and the DL coach was identified even before the process began as having technical development as a weak point.

Also, Wyatt is already giving us about what Cullen Jenkins used to and people thought he was some pass rushing saint for some reason. The past two seasons, Wyatt has 5-5.5 sacks, 9-11 QB hits and 6-9 TFL. That is a solid (not great) stat line for a 3-tech. Obviously he needs to finish better, but I don't see 3-tech as a weak point on the roster so much as I see stagnating talent.


Agree on the edge, though

Improvement at edge (either improvement with current players or added talent) and a 1 tech to supplant Clark. Could be TJ but frankly I think he is a run only guy.

[Yoop]

They need a better 3 technique which is super hard to come by and some type of edge rusher than can win with pure speed.

I don't think they need a better 3-tech. I think Wyatt and Brooks are scratching the surface of what they can be and the DL coach was identified even before the process began as having technical development as a weak point.

Also, Wyatt is already giving us about what Cullen Jenkins used to and people thought he was some pass rushing saint for some reason. The past two seasons, Wyatt has 5-5.5 sacks, 9-11 QB hits and 6-9 TFL. That is a solid (not great) stat line for a 3-tech. Obviously he needs to finish better, but I don't see 3-tech as a weak point on the roster so much as I see stagnating talent.


Agree on the edge, though

Improvement at edge (either improvement with current players or added talent) and a 1 tech to supplant Clark. Could be TJ but frankly I think he is a run only guy.

Clark is basically a 3tech , sure we've used him in the center, but he has excelled between G and T, not the A gaps where ya see more doubles and chips, anyway it's sad to look at the stats for our DL

Clark, 1 sack, 11 total pressures, he sure did fall off a cliff
Slaton 1 sack, 4 total pressures, ouch, 30 tackles, the monster of the midway,
Brooks, 3.5 sacks, 10 total pressures
Wyatt, 5 sacks, 12 total pressures,
Wooden, 0 sacks, 2 pressures.

our existing CB's would look so much better if these guy's produced, 10.5 sacks and 40 measly pressures from this group is about how it looked, paddy cake, paddy cake, versus just shedding improved our run defense, but it came at the cost of pass rush IMO, I thought it improved later in the season, but these stats wont show that, and I don't feel like taking the time to sort out the games individually, will we see improvement? who can say, but this isn't cutting it.

I don't feel up to the self abuse I'll inflict on myself today to look at the DE/OLB's maybe tomorrow

[Cdragon]

They need a better 3 technique which is super hard to come by and some type of edge rusher than can win with pure speed.

I don't think they need a better 3-tech. I think Wyatt and Brooks are scratching the surface of what they can be and the DL coach was identified even before the process began as having technical development as a weak point.

Also, Wyatt is already giving us about what Cullen Jenkins used to and people thought he was some pass rushing saint for some reason. The past two seasons, Wyatt has 5-5.5 sacks, 9-11 QB hits and 6-9 TFL. That is a solid (not great) stat line for a 3-tech. Obviously he needs to finish better, but I don't see 3-tech as a weak point on the roster so much as I see stagnating talent.


Agree on the edge, though

Cullen was the only guy who ever sealed the deal on Dom's 3 man rush.

[BF004]

We could definitely use some upgrades at a lot of positions, which team doesn’t?

But we really don’t need to be all that much. We are such a young team, should be some decent natural progression, really hoping everywhere on O other than RB. WR’s, TE’s, OL and Love. Make a decisive move to improve upside at center, draft, FA, Monk, Jenkins, Rhyan, or Tom. Everyone on the OL should still be progressing other than Jenkins.

Our defense was good enough to win a Super Bowl already, even with a mediocre pass and below average CBs. Still also very young, only big contributors not on rookie contracts were Nixon, X, Gary and Clark. So again very young all around.


Either way; got some room for a coupla big FAs or a handful of smaller contributors.

Just a lot of this internal progression does need to happen, need to plug some holes, and would really like to see Love cement himself as an upper tier QB. That happens, we are a Super Bowl contender.