Green Bay Packers’ News - 2025

[APB]

Will be interested to see how hard Gute goes after resigning Slaton.

He doesn't offer much as far as pass rush but the dude can play the run.

[wallyuwl]

Will be interested to see how hard Gute goes after resigning Slaton.

He doesn't offer much as far as pass rush but the dude can play the run.

The league is becoming more of a running league than it has been since probably the early 2000s. He brings some value. It is just what would the cost be vs what other teams are willing to pay?

[APB]

The league is becoming more of a running league than it has been since probably the early 2000s. He brings some value. It is just what would the cost be vs what other teams are willing to pay?

Vita Vea is probably a close comparison in terms of playing style, i.e. really good run defender but limited pass rusher. Vea is a better pass rusher and all-around player but the comparison is, at least, something to measure against.

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The Vea contract is also a couple years old.

Now, I'm not suggesting Slaton is gonna get Vea level money...but I don't think it'll be far off. As pointed out, run stuffers are coming back in vogue and good ones will likely fetch a decent premium.

[Yoop]

The league is becoming more of a running league than it has been since probably the early 2000s. He brings some value. It is just what would the cost be vs what other teams are willing to pay?

Vita Vea is probably a close comparison in terms of playing style, i.e. really good run defender but limited pass rusher. Vea is a better pass rusher and all-around player but the comparison is, at least, something to measure against.


Vea Contract.png


The Vea contract is also a couple years old.

Now, I'm not suggesting Slaton is gonna get Vea level money...but I don't think it'll be far off. As pointed out, run stuffers are coming back in vogue and good ones will likely fetch a decent premium.

teams pay for pass rush, so that might make TJ easier to extend, Vea had 7.5 sacks, so I tried to find a better comparison, spent 15 minutes of what remains of my life span with that attempt to no avail.


30 tackles, 1 sack, and I think I read 3 or 4 pressures, obviously we want more pressures, but TJ IMO was doubled more than Clark, and he didn't do much better, 37 tackles, 1 sack, 11 pressures.

[go pak go]

The league is becoming more of a running league than it has been since probably the early 2000s. He brings some value. It is just what would the cost be vs what other teams are willing to pay?

Vita Vea is probably a close comparison in terms of playing style, i.e. really good run defender but limited pass rusher. Vea is a better pass rusher and all-around player but the comparison is, at least, something to measure against.


Vea Contract.png


The Vea contract is also a couple years old.

Now, I'm not suggesting Slaton is gonna get Vea level money...but I don't think it'll be far off. As pointed out, run stuffers are coming back in vogue and good ones will likely fetch a decent premium.

Gosh I'd be shocked if Slaton is in the Vea zip code (15th in avg salary for a DT). Vea is a starter. He had 63% of the snaps for the Bucs in 2024.

TJ Slaton wasn't getting starting snap counts and wasn't injured to pull his stats down. The coaching staff clearly see him as a liability on pass downs as Slaton had 427 snaps which was 39% of the defensive snaps in 2024. I think Slaton is in that $5 million to $8 million range which puts him in that bottom end starter salary (around 30th to 40th for DTs).

Having run stuffing specialists has value. But it also has a liability in that the opposing offense can easily see our defense is in a run look when big ole 93 comes on the field.

[lupedafiasco]

I have absolutely no interest in paying Slaton.

[APB]

The league is becoming more of a running league than it has been since probably the early 2000s. He brings some value. It is just what would the cost be vs what other teams are willing to pay?

Vita Vea is probably a close comparison in terms of playing style, i.e. really good run defender but limited pass rusher. Vea is a better pass rusher and all-around player but the comparison is, at least, something to measure against.


Vea Contract.png


The Vea contract is also a couple years old.

Now, I'm not suggesting Slaton is gonna get Vea level money...but I don't think it'll be far off. As pointed out, run stuffers are coming back in vogue and good ones will likely fetch a decent premium.

Gosh I'd be shocked if Slaton is in the Vea zip code (15th in avg salary for a DT). Vea is a starter. He had 63% of the snaps for the Bucs in 2024.

TJ Slaton wasn't getting starting snap counts and wasn't injured to pull his stats down. The coaching staff clearly see him as a liability on pass downs as Slaton had 427 snaps which was 39% of the defensive snaps in 2024. I think Slaton is in that $5 million to $8 million range which puts him in that bottom end starter salary (around 30th to 40th for DTs).

Having run stuffing specialists has value. But it also has a liability in that the opposing offense can easily see our defense is in a run look when big ole 93 comes on the field.

I'm guessing he gets somewhere in the $8mil - $10mil range. Maybe even as high as $12mil if a team sees him as ascending with pass rush potential.

I also think you significantly undervalue the market for solid but not spectacular DTs. These are deals signed in 2024. These boys are getting paid.

[Labrev]

It is true that the pendulum is swinging back towards offenses emphasizing the run, but I would not throw a lot of money at Slaton.

If he comes back at a relative bargain, then sure, but in an aggressive 1-gap system (that we ostensibly want to run under Hafley) you don't necessarily need those big space-eaters at DT to stop the run well. You can accomplish that with active, athletic guys who get into the backfield quickly. BUF with their undersized defense was able to do that against a behemoth Ravens OL, and Ed Oliver is in that Top-10 list too despite being a smaller DL.

With Slaton, you have a nice run defender, but then the opposing offense can go up tempo and air it out to take advantage of his non-existent pass rush. Whereas if you coach up a guy like Brooks or ideally Wyatt to play the run better, that makes life a lot harder for opposing offenses. I rather try to coach our young DL to figure out how get it done like Buffalo does than try to rotate 1-dimmensional guys.

[Labrev]

Too bad about Campanile but I figured he was not going to be here long; he was a DC candidate last season and iirc even the season before. I am glad we got to have him in the building if only for one season; it was probably very valuable to guys like Quay and Cooper. Our org is trash at developing LBs and he is a very good position coach there so I'll take anything I can get there.

[Pckfn23]

Mannion joined the Packers’ coaching staff in 2024 as an offensive assistant and often worked with the quarterbacks. Following his own playing career, which began in 2015 as a third-round pick by the Rams, Mannion jumped right into coaching after retiring as a player in 2023.

LaFleur even previously coached Mannion during the 2018 season when both were with the LA Rams.

“I always figured he was going to go down this route,” said LaFleur last offseason about Mannion. “Matter of fact, when we played ‘em earlier in the year (2023), he told me he was going to get into coaching. So I was like, ‘All right, well, let me know when you’re going to be come a coach.’ He’s just a guy that I’ve always respected how he went about his process, how he prepared for games, how he helped Jared (Goff) in that situation (with the Rams) being a backup for us.”

One of the items on Jordan Love’s offseason to-do list that Mannion will now play a critical role with is the aforementioned footwork. LaFleur described this as needing to be an emphasis for Love heading into 2025, mentioning that the consistency of it on certain plays, along with being a more vocal leader.

Footwork is the foundation for a quarterback’s success on any given play. As Clements has said previously, he usually has a good idea of how the pass turned out by watching the quarterback’s footwork.

Footwork, the cornerstone of a quarterback’s performance, is more than just steps. It’s about executing the right drop to ensure timely throws, maintaining balance, and keeping the feet in constant motion. This synchronized movement with the quarterback’s eyes is crucial for a successful play. Any deviation from this can disrupt the quarterback’s mechanics, leading to inaccurate passes or mistimed plays.

In the Philadelphia game, specifically, LaFleur mentioned that on certain drops, Love’s footwork got a little loose, which can disrupt the timing and rhythm of the passing play, especially when the ball is supposed to be out quickly. This also wasn’t the first time throughout the season that this happened either. As Love navigated a knee and groin injury during the first half of the year, the lack of practice time hurt some of those fundamental components of playing the position.

“I think just the one thing I did talk to him about was just the consistency of his footwork on some of these plays,” LaFleur said. “I think he would be the first to tell you the same thing because there were some instances throughout the course of the season and specifically in this last game where the rhythm and timing, especially when you have a rhythm play, like quick game for example, just that left-right footwork that we take just hitting your back foot and letting it rip.

“Or if you do take a hitch, you gotta take your checkdown, typically, or progress on. So I would say that, because I think that’s the foundation of great quarterback play is the fundamentals, the techniques, the footwork.”

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[wallyuwl]

Love's footwork has always been terrible

[Scott4Pack]

Will be interested to see how hard Gute goes after resigning Slaton.

He doesn't offer much as far as pass rush but the dude can play the run.

Slayton is good enough to give him a good deal. But some team will gobsmack him with a truckload of money. I'd like to see him return. But I think Guty will not match an outrageous offer and Slayton will go away.

[Scott4Pack]

Mannion joined the Packers’ coaching staff in 2024 as an offensive assistant and often worked with the quarterbacks. Following his own playing career, which began in 2015 as a third-round pick by the Rams, Mannion jumped right into coaching after retiring as a player in 2023.

LaFleur even previously coached Mannion during the 2018 season when both were with the LA Rams.

“I always figured he was going to go down this route,” said LaFleur last offseason about Mannion. “Matter of fact, when we played ‘em earlier in the year (2023), he told me he was going to get into coaching. So I was like, ‘All right, well, let me know when you’re going to be come a coach.’ He’s just a guy that I’ve always respected how he went about his process, how he prepared for games, how he helped Jared (Goff) in that situation (with the Rams) being a backup for us.”

One of the items on Jordan Love’s offseason to-do list that Mannion will now play a critical role with is the aforementioned footwork. LaFleur described this as needing to be an emphasis for Love heading into 2025, mentioning that the consistency of it on certain plays, along with being a more vocal leader.

Footwork is the foundation for a quarterback’s success on any given play. As Clements has said previously, he usually has a good idea of how the pass turned out by watching the quarterback’s footwork.

Footwork, the cornerstone of a quarterback’s performance, is more than just steps. It’s about executing the right drop to ensure timely throws, maintaining balance, and keeping the feet in constant motion. This synchronized movement with the quarterback’s eyes is crucial for a successful play. Any deviation from this can disrupt the quarterback’s mechanics, leading to inaccurate passes or mistimed plays.

In the Philadelphia game, specifically, LaFleur mentioned that on certain drops, Love’s footwork got a little loose, which can disrupt the timing and rhythm of the passing play, especially when the ball is supposed to be out quickly. This also wasn’t the first time throughout the season that this happened either. As Love navigated a knee and groin injury during the first half of the year, the lack of practice time hurt some of those fundamental components of playing the position.

“I think just the one thing I did talk to him about was just the consistency of his footwork on some of these plays,” LaFleur said. “I think he would be the first to tell you the same thing because there were some instances throughout the course of the season and specifically in this last game where the rhythm and timing, especially when you have a rhythm play, like quick game for example, just that left-right footwork that we take just hitting your back foot and letting it rip.

“Or if you do take a hitch, you gotta take your checkdown, typically, or progress on. So I would say that, because I think that’s the foundation of great quarterback play is the fundamentals, the techniques, the footwork.”

https://www.espnlacrosse.com/2025/01/31 ... -new-role/

Give me some counsel on this. For footwork overall, isn't the greatest benefit that the QB with good footwork has good timing (or stays synced) with his WRs? It's like the planned routes, if performed correctly, will result in an open WR when the QB has performed the requisite 3, 5, or 7 steps?

I always wondered about that and what the coaches thought about it.

[Pckfn23]

Not too shabby even against TEs.

[Pckfn23]

[Pckfn23]

[texas]

[lupedafiasco]

He didn’t say a damn thing wrong.

[Labrev]

[wallyuwl]

They have more self-efficacy in their ability than actual ability.