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The whole ordeal confuses me because we was very openly happy with the DC switch at the beginning of last year. Just not sure what’s going on here, and simply “he’s a head case” doesn’t explain enough for me.
If I had to guess, I'd say it probably comes down to money. I think the Packers probably asked him for a pay cut or to restructure his contract which he balked at. Can't blame the player for playing his leverage card here. It's the only thing that makes sense to me as far as why he hasn't publicly expressed desire to move on.
Silverstein's report makes it sound as if the team wanting to trade for Alexander wanted him to take a pay cut and he refused.
It wouldn't make as much sense for a trade to fall through because the Packers asked Alexander for a trade cut and he refused.
Silverstein adds that the Packers were close to making a move near the start of the league year, but that the Packers’ desired compensation and Alexander’s unwillingness to take a pay cut kept it from happening.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
It wouldn't make as much sense for a trade to fall through because the Packers asked Alexander for a trade cut and he refused.
No, but it does if it's Step 1 and Step 2. The Packers asked for a pay cut (could be significant). He refused and said trade me. Packers orchestrate a trade, team asks for a pay cut (could be significantly different than what the Packers requested), he still refuses. If there is belief from his camp that he can make more on the open market than negotiating with a single team, I still think that could be at the heart of this all.
I'll just say, I don't think Alexander specifically wants out of Green Bay. I just don't think Green Bay wants Alexander back unless it is on their terms.
The whole ordeal confuses me because we was very openly happy with the DC switch at the beginning of last year. Just not sure what’s going on here, and simply “he’s a head case” doesn’t explain enough for me.
If I had to guess, I'd say it probably comes down to money. I think the Packers probably asked him for a pay cut or to restructure his contract which he balked at. Can't blame the player for playing his leverage card here. It's the only thing that makes sense to me as far as why he hasn't publicly expressed desire to move on.
Ah I guess that makes sense; sort of a "you've been injured, let's get some savings" and he was like "nah, this is the deal you gave me, let's roll" and then feelings were bruised, egos were hurt.
I'll just say, I don't think Alexander specifically wants out of Green Bay. I just don't think Green Bay wants Alexander back unless it is on their terms.
If that's the case, I'm going to go to Green Bay and talk them back into him.
It wouldn't make as much sense for a trade to fall through because the Packers asked Alexander for a trade cut and he refused.
No, but it does if it's Step 1 and Step 2. The Packers asked for a pay cut (could be significant). He refused and said trade me. Packers orchestrate a trade, team asks for a pay cut (could be significantly different than what the Packers requested), he still refuses. If there is belief from his camp that he can make more on the open market than negotiating with a single team, I still think that could be at the heart of this all.
I'll just say, I don't think Alexander specifically wants out of Green Bay. I just don't think Green Bay wants Alexander back unless it is on their terms.
In my opinion, if that was the case, he would be cut. I think there is more Jaire Head Case than there is Green Bay Doesn't Want Him.
There's been smoke for 2 years now when it comes to Jaire.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
There's been smoke for 2 years now when it comes to Jaire.
I don't think there's ANY doubt that Jaire hated playing in Barry's defense. I think keeping Barry that last year rubbed Jaire the wrong way and he went about it like a $%@#.
That said, he seemed jubilant after meeting Hafley, and responded really well after the suspension and it felt like things were trending in the right direction.
Now, there could be issues with the medical or training staffs regarding his injuries or recoveries. OR something else could have tipped the cap in the opposite direction for him. A contract adjustment is definitely something that could accomplish that. It's not the only thing. But it's a thing.
Jaire is not built to play a full NFL season, and that's even with him making business decisions against the run (Hobbs gets injuries but he at least is trying to stop the run). He is going to miss time every season, only question is how much. You cross your fingers every season hoping that this year's injuries are minor, and he will be in good enough health to help you in the playoffs.
It's just not good business to pay a lot of money to a player with that much uncertainty. You put together your defense with an expectation that you have what you have at your starting CB positions, then you don't have that for long stretches, and you have to rework the whole thing in-season and shrink your playbook. It hamstrings you.
Doing this every year is insane. This is even before we get to the issue of his attitude. So yeah, take a pay cut or leave.
His next contract also needs to ban him from saying "HUH-UNH!!" like an idiot until he plays double-digit games for two straight seasons and grades out as a Top-25 CB. I'm not even asking for full health or elite play! He gets back to form or just close to it, and I will do that cringe chant with him. But he's lost the right to do it.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
His double shoulder injury just totally sapped his physical mentality as it relates to the run game and hitting. Just a totally different player in that regard.
But if you want someone to shadow an elite receiver, I still want it to be Jaire.
His double shoulder injury just totally sapped his physical mentality as it relates to the run game and hitting. Just a totally different player in that regard.
But if you want someone to shadow an elite receiver, I still want it to be Jaire.
Yep. Partly by design, IMO, but also definitely a fear/unwillingness to get it done. It's like it changed his whole mindset when it comes to tackling. I do think having an elite cover guy like him is super valuable, but not at his current contract number.
Again, the ability isn't in question, but the availability. Even with him refusing run support, he gets sidelined with injuries every year. And for pretty lengthy periods, mark you. Like, look at the guy. That's simply not a body built to withstand the rigors of NFL play.
Yes, he is still athletically able to cover the top WRs in the league. But he is often not able to do that in actuality, because he's often standing on the sideline in street clothes rather than lining up on the football field.
I'm not saying get rid of him, just that he needs to be making a lot less for me to be okay with that.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
Jaire is not built to play a full NFL season, and that's even with him making business decisions against the run (Hobbs gets injuries but he at least is trying to stop the run). He is going to miss time every season, only question is how much. You cross your fingers every season hoping that this year's injuries are minor, and he will be in good enough health to help you in the playoffs.
It's just not good business to pay a lot of money to a player with that much uncertainty. You put together your defense with an expectation that you have what you have at your starting CB positions, then you don't have that for long stretches, and you have to rework the whole thing in-season and shrink your playbook. It hamstrings you.
Doing this every year is insane. This is even before we get to the issue of his attitude. So yeah, take a pay cut or leave.
His next contract also needs to ban him from saying "HUH-UNH!!" like an idiot until he plays double-digit games for two straight seasons and grades out as a Top-25 CB. I'm not even asking for full health or elite play! He gets back to form or just close to it, and I will do that cringe chant with him. But he's lost the right to do it.
he's only being paid enough for 13.3 games, ya want more ya gotta pay more didn't you get my memo?
We've all seen players in a injury slump, some for a few seasons, they get past it and play for years, so I'am not counting out Jaire just yet
It’s partially a durability issue. It’s mostly a toughness issue. The word on the street is that Jaire could have played. He was cleared by the Packers medical staff. He didn’t want to play if he wasn’t 100%. When the Packers tried to force him to play he got surgery on his own accord and shut him down.
Ignore the fan comment, doesn't accurately reflect the clip...
Told you. It's the durability issue.
well ya, obviously though the insubordination comes into this too, he was cleared to play, refused, and went outside house to get surgery, that he could have waited till off season to get, so not only is it that he may not stay healthy, it's also that he wont play at 90%, or less than 100%.
If that is true, it's a cancer, and coaches won't want a player like that, players have to play injured if possible, and the Packers medical felt he could, Jaire brushed that off and refused to play, I'am shocked he's still here
obviously though the insubordination comes into this too, he was cleared to play, refused, and went outside house to get surgery, that he could have waited till off season to get,
If that is true, it's a cancer,
*If* it is true, then yeah, but we do not know that.
As of now that's purely a rumor, not a fact.
*edit* ... I will concede that the video I posted is also largely a rumor/hearsay too though, but it at least has a little more smoke.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
Wasn’t Bahk medically cleared at some point too? Not everything shows up on scans or is clear from a static evaluation. Not saying Jaire is in the right but medical science ain’t perfect either.
obviously though the insubordination comes into this too, he was cleared to play, refused, and went outside house to get surgery, that he could have waited till off season to get,
If that is true, it's a cancer,
*If* it is true, then yeah, but we do not know that.
As of now that's purely a rumor, not a fact.
*edit* ... I will concede that the video I posted is also largely a rumor/hearsay too though, but it at least has a little more smoke.
ahhhhhh, we've seen beat writer comments that the Packers medical figured he would need off season surgery, but felt playing on it the remainder of the season wouldn't increase the damage, and Jaire refused that advice and left for someone outside the organization for season-ending surgery, and we've heard basically the same report from several different sources, sure that could all be made up rumors, no way for us to know for sure.
But we know enough about Jaire to know it's probable, how many members right here think of Alex as the prima donna these comments suggest he is, how many of us believe almost everything Lafleur says? opps I know that not a good representation of honest to goodness factual either, it's just more reliable than taking the word of a CB that shies from physical contact as much as Alex does/has over the last 4 years.
remember Yoops golden rules , the two positions of most prima donnies is WR and CB
I am the biggest prima donna I know, and for good reason. I know where Jaire is coming from. We need to find a way to get his ass on the field, if we decide to retain him. Once he’s out there, that ego will take over and he’ll light it up.
I think it's more than just physical with Ja. It's also the mental circus that comes with him. After a few years, that wears on a team.
It happened with Rodgers. Happened with Favre too. And it's happened with Ja. I love the guy. But it's time for him to find greener pastures elsewhere. The grind from a guy like that breaks up team chemistry more than it helps.
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I think it's more than just physical with Ja. It's also the mental circus that comes with him. After a few years, that wears on a team.
It happened with Rodgers. Happened with Favre too. And it's happened with Ja. I love the guy. But it's time for him to find greener pastures elsewhere. The grind from a guy like that breaks up team chemistry more than it helps.
I disagree. You don't replace a 32 year old Rodgers and you don't replace Jaire with a guy and expect to win a playoff game. Jaire will be a Packer for 1 more year, and we had better hope he stays healthy. It is the price a team pays to win and he is not nearly as big a problem as you suppose.
didn't you get my memo? 
