2025 NFL Draft - Football Thread

[Pckfn23]

He usually doesn't outright lie, so it may be the case that EDGE just isn't a draft priority, but I'd imagine we get some somewhere along the line.

In my opinion this is the case. I would be shocked if we went Edge first round, unless someone really falls.

[YoHoChecko]

Also, just mentioni9ng it because a lot of the podcasts have. Has this board discussed the crazy arm length issues from the combine this year? I guess not worthy of discussion, but apparently scouts at pro days (and those are scouts, not school officials) are CONSISTENTLY getting like an extra 1/4-3/4 arm length on guys and there's a general opinion that the combine systemically under-measured arm lengths this year because it's just happening way too much from way too many sources.

So usually I go with combine measurements, but this year I'm taking the arms from Pro Days where available.

[NCF]

He usually doesn't outright lie, so it may be the case that EDGE just isn't a draft priority, but I'd imagine we get some somewhere along the line.

In my opinion this is the case. I would be shocked if we went Edge first round, unless someone really falls.

I'm so torn, because I think if the right one falls, Gute still pulls the trigger. Aside from that, though, I struggle to see a value pick that will be available to us. Unless they really like Harmon or Grant or one of the CB's, where else do they go (and I don't think the answer is WR)? Trade down? I'd be fine with that, but even then, what is the next pocket of talent you are trying to target?

[NCF]

So usually I go with combine measurements, but this year I'm taking the arms from Pro Days where available.

I remember hearing this right after The Combine. There were some media guys who were very loudly critical of that process.

[Pckfn23]

He usually doesn't outright lie, so it may be the case that EDGE just isn't a draft priority, but I'd imagine we get some somewhere along the line.

In my opinion this is the case. I would be shocked if we went Edge first round, unless someone really falls.

I'm so torn, because I think if the right one falls, Gute still pulls the trigger. Aside from that, though, I struggle to see a value pick that will be available to us. Unless they really like Harmon or Grant or one of the CB's, where else do they go (and I don't think the answer is WR)? Trade down? I'd be fine with that, but even then, what is the next pocket of talent you are trying to target?

Tiers. Gutekunst will have his tiers and I think EDGE will be one of the lower prioritized positions in the first round. So unless his highest tier consists of EDGE, Safety, RB, and QB when we pick, I think EDGE isn't the pick in round 1. From listening to the talk this off season, watching the improvement throughout the year, and knowing what we have compared to what we need, I see it as a lower priority early on.

[YoHoChecko]

I'm so torn, because I think if the right one falls, Gute still pulls the trigger. Aside from that, though, I struggle to see a value pick that will be available to us. Unless they really like Harmon or Grant or one of the CB's, where else do they go (and I don't think the answer is WR)? Trade down? I'd be fine with that, but even then, what is the next pocket of talent you are trying to target?

I feel like we're going to draft like Trey Amos or Benjamin Morrison and everyone is going to be like "WHAT?! WHO? WHAT A REACH!!" and then Kiper and McShay and Daniel Jeremiah and Dane Brugler will be like "he's a solid outside starting corner and I'd been hearing rumblings he was moving into round one, so this isn't that much of a surprise" even though none of them mentioned it and then we all talk ourselves into it and he's a perfectly good corner for us.

And it's going to happen with, like, Mykell Williams and Luther Burden on the board

[NCF]

I'm so torn, because I think if the right one falls, Gute still pulls the trigger. Aside from that, though, I struggle to see a value pick that will be available to us. Unless they really like Harmon or Grant or one of the CB's, where else do they go (and I don't think the answer is WR)? Trade down? I'd be fine with that, but even then, what is the next pocket of talent you are trying to target?

I feel like we're going to draft like Trey Amos or Benjamin Morrison and everyone is going to be like "WHAT?! WHO? WHAT A REACH!!" and then Kiper and McShay and Daniel Jeremiah and Dane Brugler will be like "he's a solid outside starting corner and I'd been hearing rumblings he was moving into round one, so this isn't that much of a surprise" even though none of them mentioned it and then we all talk ourselves into it and he's a perfectly good corner for us.

And it's going to happen with, like, Mykell Williams and Luther Burden on the board

You are probably right, but Amos would definitely buck the trend in the 1st-round, being 23 years old. Davonte Wyatt is really the only "old" outlier there. Azareye'h Thomas is someone I could see and yes, I would absolutely flip my &%$@ in the moment before settling in 5 minutes later like always.

[YoHoChecko]

You are probably right, but Amos would definitely buck the trend in the 1st-round, being 23 years old. Davonte Wyatt is really the only "old" outlier there. Azareye'h Thomas is someone I could see and yes, I would absolutely flip my &%$@ in the moment before settling in 5 minutes later like always.

hahaha, I literally went through this exact thought process after posting it. Like "Amos was a bad example; probably should have used Thomas" literally went through my head

[Labrev]

As for weight, like, I could imagine a scenario where, like, arm length, and testing numbers like the broad jump and the shuttles matter a lot and it has resulted in bigger players, but then you get a guy from BC where the tape is great, the arms are 34", the broad is in the Gary/LVN/Enegbare range (119 inches compared to 118 and 120 for those guys) and it actually is still "a fit" even though the height and weight don't align.


Now, I'm imagining that scenario because I want it to be true, not because I have any evidence that it is. But still, I could imagine it.

Like, if you only look at THIS part of the chart, without height, names, and weights (Ezeiruaku didn't run), doesn't he fit right in?

I think the main concern with a more undersized DE is how they will hold up in the run.

On that note, his tape is certainly great in terms of the pass-rush artistry on display, but on the specific issue they will probably be concerned about (his reps vs the run) I think the tape will actually be a point against him.

Fun player, I respect the mastery of his craft for a young guy, but the fit for us? I'm just not seeing it.

[Yoop]

This team taking big EDGE guys directly correlates with the scheme we have run on defense.

Enegbare and Mosby are Mathews, size 6.3 250 or thereabout. Going big at the edge is old school 4-3. We drafted Gary during a 4-3 hybrid conversion, which, in my opinion, was to better contain the run.

we had team totals last year of 45 sacks, a bit higher than our norm high 30's, however, our total pressures were 147, about 30 below our normal. Our sack production was enhanced with 13 sacks from off ball players.

our off ballers get few pressures, they just get home and the play is over, while our on ball rushers play paddy cake waiting to see if it's a run

I'd trade up for Jalon Walker if he drops cause he gets home any where ya line him up production is that kids middle name

[Labrev]

This team taking big EDGE guys directly correlates with the scheme we have run on defense.

Enegbare and Mosby are Mathews, size 6.3 250 or thereabout.

And they also weren't 1st-round picks.

[Yoop]

As for weight, like, I could imagine a scenario where, like, arm length, and testing numbers like the broad jump and the shuttles matter a lot and it has resulted in bigger players, but then you get a guy from BC where the tape is great, the arms are 34", the broad is in the Gary/LVN/Enegbare range (119 inches compared to 118 and 120 for those guys) and it actually is still "a fit" even though the height and weight don't align.


Now, I'm imagining that scenario because I want it to be true, not because I have any evidence that it is. But still, I could imagine it.

Like, if you only look at THIS part of the chart, without height, names, and weights (Ezeiruaku didn't run), doesn't he fit right in?

I think the main concern with a more undersized DE is how they will hold up in the run.

On that note, his tape is certainly great in terms of the pass-rush artistry on display, but on the specific issue they will probably be concerned about (his reps vs the run) I think the tape will actually be a point against him.

Fun player, I respect the mastery of his craft for a young guy, but the fit for us? I'm just not seeing it.

everyone is so worried about stopping the run????? Better tackling is what we got last year which is why our run stopping ability improved, both Gary and LVN had about the same totals as the previous year and the year prior to that, we are so enamored with size, and it really hasn't changed stopping the run, and our pass rush has declined, unless we increased off ball production.

[YoHoChecko]

I'm watching the "Most Likely WRs to Be Packers" video on YouTube right now and again--it's trickier now that so few guys run the 3-cone--and it reminded me that I want to plug a guy super hard.

Ok, so the characteristics that have successfully predicted Packers WR picks are:

Size: at least 190 pounds (this includes Cobb and Reed). At least 5'10" (Cobb 5' 10 1/4", Reed 5'10 7/8") Rogers was an outlier
Agility: usually a 3-cone of under 7.10 but few guys run them now
Productive: usually big college numbers
ST: love guys who have been returners (open field vision and elusiveness)
Speed: under 4.6 but that's just pretty standard. If anything, speed matters less to them with Lazard, Wicks, and Adams in the 4.5s
(but it matters to me)

So there's this guy. He's 6' 0 3/4". Davante Adams was 6' 0 7/8"
He's got a 3-cone of 6.86. Adams was 6.82
He's got a 40-time of 4.34!
He's 196 pounds.
He was a punt returner and gunner

He wasn't super productive, though.

Anyway, Chimere Dike. One of my favorite sleepers. Not even mentioned on a lot of draftnik boards, but Dane Brugler has him in the 4th-5th round and the PFF boys like him. He went to Florida, which I'll excuse. He seems like an EXCELLENT fit for us. He needs to work on route running refinement.

Anyway, also Tory Horton who didn't do a 3-cone but was very productive at Colorado St. late 3rd/4th round for Horton.

Those two guys are my mid-round receiver targets. Much more than the project, one-trick or gadget guys like Savion Williams, Isaac TeSlaa, and Donte Thornton. (I like them, too)

[Bogey]

Like, if you only look at THIS part of the chart, without height, names, and weights (Ezeiruaku didn't run), doesn't he fit right in?

Indeed he does

[YoHoChecko]

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Also looking at this, vomit on LVN's vertical and bench (top line)

[Bogey]

Anyway, Chimere Dike. One of my favorite sleepers. Not even mentioned on a lot of draftnik boards, but Dane Brugler has him in the 4th-5th round and the PFF boys like him. He went to Florida, which I'll excuse. He seems like an EXCELLENT fit for us. He needs to work on route running refinement.

Holy crap! Yes.

[Yoop]

Like, if you only look at THIS part of the chart, without height, names, and weights (Ezeiruaku didn't run), doesn't he fit right in?

Indeed he does

my fav guy after Jalon Walker, he gets it, doesn't matter how good the OT is, Ezeiruaku will find a way around him and he's a great tackler, like Walker, he's a team leader and causes havoc, imho far more important than grooming up a player as raw as Stewart, jmo.

[Labrev]

everyone is so worried about stopping the run?????

As it should be. Stopping the run is fundamental to good defense.

Pettine and Barry did not get that, and that's why they were trash. They obsessed over stopping the pass due to the trends in the league, but then we would get beaten by guys like Kenny Pickett at QB.

Because when you get gashed in the run, it makes the QB's job so easy that it totally negates what you have in coverage and pass-rush. You can convert on 2nd and 3rd down with quick high-percentage passes.

Thankfully, Hafley seems to get that.

Better tackling is what we got last year which is why our run stopping ability improved, both Gary and LVN had about the same totals as the previous year and the year prior to that, we are so enamored with size, and it really hasn't changed stopping the run, and our pass rush has declined, unless we increased off ball production.

I think it was more than just better tackling. Haf got our DEs to play with much better discipline in setting the edge. That was a huge change from when Barry was DC.

Rashan Gary was actually among the best DEs against the run. That matters, run stops help put the opposing offense in a hole just as sacks do. Also, easier to get pressure from down-and-distance than 2nd- or 3rd-and-short.

(It's notable btw that Gary got his first ProBowl nod this past season too, probably thanks to peers and coaches recognizing how he shored up the one aspect of his game that was subpar, because he didn't have the highlight plays to drive fan support).

[Labrev]

I don't care about bench, but ouch... that is a BAD vert for LVN.

[NCF]

Those two guys are my mid-round receiver targets.

I see Horton was in Green Bay today for a visit.