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Just to clarify, I'm not debating whether he'll have success or fail; I think he is going to be a good NFL WR. He clearly gets it and has the feel.
I'm questioning--given that we drafted him 10 spots higher than we've drafted any WR in decades--did we get better return for that pick than for the second rounders? In essence, is he A Dude or a good player?
And so the distinction, "can he beat press coverage?" for instance... it isn't "is he bad at it or is he good at it?" It's "Is he decent at it or is he great at it?" And for me, it's decent.
I just watched Andy Herman's deep dive (Herman is excited). But he also summed up my points during one rant where he basically said is he "1A" at this? No, but he's good. Is he 1a at that? No but he's good. For several traits and abilities. Separation, release, YAC, etc.
In any outcome, I think this will be a good draft pick. I'm just wondering where on this spectrum of comps he actually lies? From Bo Melton (same size speed) to Santana Moss to Emmanuel Sanders to Tyler Lockett to Chris Olave to Santonio Holmes to Terry McLaurin (I'm really not sure who to put at the top of that spectrum and don't feel like researching)... where he falls along that spectrum will matter to me because this is a premium pick. If we had taken this guy in rounds 2 or 3, it's a good pick, but getting any starter feels great. At 23, taking a guy to be Santana Moss or Tyler Lockett is a lot less satisfying than a guy that turns out to be Chris Olave.
Is he a guy that can carry a passing game or a cog in a wheel?
Personally, I think the team can do well with cogs in wheels anyway. I barely even buy the "we need a #1" argument. But now that we've invested such a high pick, I want him to be better than a complementary piece.
The two things I like most here are that 1) it seems natural to him, and 2) he's got that dawg in him a little bit. Those two things help take an Emmanuel Sanders and increase the odds of being a Terry McLaurin.
You would love to get a WR1 in the 1st round every time but even if you dont that doesnt mean you failed. Like Devonta Smith, Jordan Addison, Jameson Williams, Jaylen Waddle, and a bunch more are all WR2s but theyre dominant WR2s. Most of those guys are WR2s to guys drafted later in the rounds. Its on the team to find a WR1 and have a WR2 that can take advantage of the coverage being pulled by the WR1.
Thats where this team has failed miserably over the years. Not only have they struggled to find a good WR1 but they coudlnt even get a plus WR2. We have been flaunting WR3s and average WR2s for a while now. Even when we had a WR1 in Admas we surrounded him with a bunch of WR4s.
Just to clarify, I'm not debating whether he'll have success or fail; I think he is going to be a good NFL WR. He clearly gets it and has the feel.
I'm questioning--given that we drafted him 10 spots higher than we've drafted any WR in decades--did we get better return for that pick than for the second rounders? In essence, is he A Dude or a good player?
And so the distinction, "can he beat press coverage?" for instance... it isn't "is he bad at it or is he good at it?" It's "Is he decent at it or is he great at it?" And for me, it's decent.
I just watched Andy Herman's deep dive (Herman is excited). But he also summed up my points during one rant where he basically said is he "1A" at this? No, but he's good. Is he 1a at that? No but he's good. For several traits and abilities. Separation, release, YAC, etc.
In any outcome, I think this will be a good draft pick. I'm just wondering where on this spectrum of comps he actually lies? From Bo Melton (same size speed) to Santana Moss to Emmanuel Sanders to Tyler Lockett to Chris Olave to Santonio Holmes to Terry McLaurin (I'm really not sure who to put at the top of that spectrum and don't feel like researching)... where he falls along that spectrum will matter to me because this is a premium pick. If we had taken this guy in rounds 2 or 3, it's a good pick, but getting any starter feels great. At 23, taking a guy to be Santana Moss or Tyler Lockett is a lot less satisfying than a guy that turns out to be Chris Olave.
Is he a guy that can carry a passing game or a cog in a wheel?
Personally, I think the team can do well with cogs in wheels anyway. I barely even buy the "we need a #1" argument. But now that we've invested such a high pick, I want him to be better than a complementary piece.
The two things I like most here are that 1) it seems natural to him, and 2) he's got that dawg in him a little bit. Those two things help take an Emmanuel Sanders and increase the odds of being a Terry McLaurin.
no one can predict just how well a drafted player can be, GMs fail at this stuff often and they're professionals, but we still see them mis often on top 10 selections.
I'am not really a got to have a number one WR either, we've just been locked into that scenario for a decade, I've always wanted to spread the ball around, we've just had such poor second shelf WR that Tae dominated targeted throws
Golden seems more polished up, more rounded out, than any receiver taken since Cobb, and has great speed to boot, I can not see any reason for Lafleur not to design his passing offense around this kid, especially since he has more tools than any other receiver on our roster
Man Addison...I was so wrong on him. I didn't want him at all and boy has he proven me wrong.
yes, BUT. He's done so sharing the field with Jefferson.
He had good games while Jefferson was out too, though.
I was also very wrong about Addison. The athletic numbers were unappealing. Now that I look at them again, they were actually not that bad. He's a decent athlete, per the test numbers. It's just that "decent athlete" at 5'11/170 does not inspire a lot of confidence to me.
'Still not sure if that athletic profile would work on the frozen tundra, but it definitely works great for a dome team!
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Man Addison...I was so wrong on him. I didn't want him at all and boy has he proven me wrong.
yes, BUT. He's done so sharing the field with Jefferson.
He had good games while Jefferson was out too, though.
I was also very wrong about Addison. The athletic numbers were unappealing. Now that I look at them again, they were actually not that bad. He's a decent athlete, per the test numbers. It's just that "decent athlete" at 5'11/170 does not inspire a lot of confidence to me.
'Still not sure if that athletic profile would work on the frozen tundra, but it definitely works great for a dome team!
Oddly enough his best games seem to always be at Lambeau. Dude's a Packer killa.
yes, BUT. He's done so sharing the field with Jefferson.
He had good games while Jefferson was out too, though.
I was also very wrong about Addison. The athletic numbers were unappealing. Now that I look at them again, they were actually not that bad. He's a decent athlete, per the test numbers. It's just that "decent athlete" at 5'11/170 does not inspire a lot of confidence to me.
'Still not sure if that athletic profile would work on the frozen tundra, but it definitely works great for a dome team!
Oddly enough his best games seem to always be at Lambeau. Dude's a Packer killa.
Those games were in September and October, though, albeit late October. Let's see him do that in winter (a cold winter day, because totally-not-man-made climate change messed that up to not be a given).
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
I also think he is going to be a very good #2 and an occasional #1 when the #1 (probably Watson) is hurt. That is fine at the #23 pick. Especially because Doubs is done. Repeated severe concussions do that, unfortunately, every subsequent hit makes the brain more fragile - until the team doctor or the player pulls the plug on his career.
Apparently James Jones saw Golden as a comp to Jordan Addison pre-draft
Steve Smith says Matthew Golden is the best WR in this draft. Haven't watch the video yet. Only read the headline and a short clip.
The video opens with James Palmer saying he talked to a receivers coach who watched Golden early, didn't think he was quite a first rounder, then watched the rest of the class and was like "well Golden is WAY better than these guys." So kinda like we have said in that he's high in this draft class, but not necessarily compared to other classes.
Smith really likes a lot of the nuances of his game, for sure.
They settle on him being a "glue guy" high-volume #2 who can play any WR spot and who may eventually become a 1.
Decent watch, but feels like I got about 12 minutes of content from 27 minutes (just the pacing of the discussion)
