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07 Jan 2021 10:45
With the rumors of Deshaun Watson possibly asking to be traded, I saw this hypothetical thrown out there.

Would you trade Rodgers and Adams for Watson this offseason? Watson is 25 and already a hell of a QB in a bad situation. Rodgers is 37 and the MVP. Adams is 28 and had an OPOY type year.

Would you do it?
Hell no.
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paco wrote:
07 Jan 2021 10:45
With the rumors of Deshaun Watson possibly asking to be traded, I saw this hypothetical thrown out there.

Would you trade Rodgers and Adams for Watson this offseason? Watson is 25 and already a hell of a QB in a bad situation. Rodgers is 37 and the MVP. Adams is 28 and had an OPOY type year.

Would you do it?
Yes, lol, I would

Watson is that good and that young.

Impossible, Houston and GB both already over the cap, likely, and both would actually lose cap space in dead cap by trading Rodgers or Watson.
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I figured these would be the answers. Intriguing idea though. Knowing you'll have a top end franchise QB again for the next 10 years. Sure you lose a great WR and HOF QB. I wonder, if it was 1 year later if people would be more likely to do it. Rodgers another year older and easier to unload cap wise, and another year to find a top WR talent to bring in.
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BF004 wrote:
07 Jan 2021 10:50
paco wrote:
07 Jan 2021 10:45
With the rumors of Deshaun Watson possibly asking to be traded, I saw this hypothetical thrown out there.

Would you trade Rodgers and Adams for Watson this offseason? Watson is 25 and already a hell of a QB in a bad situation. Rodgers is 37 and the MVP. Adams is 28 and had an OPOY type year.

Would you do it?
Yes, lol, I would

Watson is that good and that young.

Impossible, Houston and GB both already over the cap, likely, and both would actually lose cap space in dead cap by trading Rodgers or Watson.
Yes, obviously the cap makes in impossible. But if you took that out of the equation, I would lean yes as well for reasons I stated. Hard decision no doubt. But it helps secure a post-Rodgers future.
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Yes, lol, I would
Willing to be very, very patient because I love Aaron Rodgers, but I just CANNOT WAIT to be right about Jordan Love.
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Yes, lol, I would
Willing to be very, very patient because I love Aaron Rodgers, but I just CANNOT WAIT to be right about Jordan Love.
I mean, even if he is really really good, the odds of him reaching HOF caliber like Watson already is, just odds not there.
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'Not that worried about losing Hackett, tbh. I am sure he is useful to MLF and all, but it will probably be much closer to a Reid-->Nagy situation than a Pederson-->Reich one.
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Pckfn23 wrote:
07 Jan 2021 10:47
paco wrote:
07 Jan 2021 10:45
With the rumors of Deshaun Watson possibly asking to be traded, I saw this hypothetical thrown out there.

Would you trade Rodgers and Adams for Watson this offseason? Watson is 25 and already a hell of a QB in a bad situation. Rodgers is 37 and the MVP. Adams is 28 and had an OPOY type year.

Would you do it?
Hell no.
I concur! Watson is not that good. He has too many bouts of inaccuracy.

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williewasgreat wrote:
07 Jan 2021 11:23
Pckfn23 wrote:
07 Jan 2021 10:47
paco wrote:
07 Jan 2021 10:45
With the rumors of Deshaun Watson possibly asking to be traded, I saw this hypothetical thrown out there.

Would you trade Rodgers and Adams for Watson this offseason? Watson is 25 and already a hell of a QB in a bad situation. Rodgers is 37 and the MVP. Adams is 28 and had an OPOY type year.

Would you do it?
Hell no.
I concur! Watson is not that good. He has too many bouts of inaccuracy.
That some said yes, intrigued me so I went back and looked back at Watson's year. I think I may have spoken too soon. He had a really good year.
Now I guess the kicker would be losing Adams. I don't like that.
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Watson has a higher completion percentage than Rodgers does for his career (shorter, of course)67.8% compared to 65.1%. Obviously, INTs are a bigger issue, but you can say that about any human on the planet compared to Rodgers.
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I don't even understand what the payoff would be of trading away our two best players for one who is maybe also going to be as good as Rodgers but who is younger.

Like, he's not cheaper? He has the second biggest contract in football. Rodgers isn't retiring this year or next, so we don't have an immediate need.

This entire deal would be for, what, to replace 2023/4 Love with 2023/4 Watson at the cost of replacing 2021 and 2022 Rodgers with Watson?

AND throw in the league's best WR?

Like, that is a very stupid, awful, terrible deal for us. It's attempting to solve a problem 2-3 years out that we don't even know if it's a problem yet, and it comes at the cost of the next two years when we could easily just draft another QB next year to also develop alongside Love to reduce the odds of a problem.

Honestly, I didn't even notice who brought this up and so I don't want to be too mean, but its genuinely the worst football post I've seen this year. But take heart, it's still very early in the year.

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07 Jan 2021 11:39
I don't even understand what the payoff would be of trading away our two best players for one who is maybe also going to be as good as Rodgers but who is younger.

Like, he's not cheaper? He has the second biggest contract in football. Rodgers isn't retiring this year or next, so we don't have an immediate need.

This entire deal would be for, what, to replace 2023/4 Love with 2023/4 Watson at the cost of replacing 2021 and 2022 Rodgers with Watson?

AND throw in the league's best WR?

Like, that is a very stupid, awful, terrible deal for us. It's attempting to solve a problem 2-3 years out that we don't even know if it's a problem yet, and it comes at the cost of the next two years when we could easily just draft another QB next year to also develop alongside Love to reduce the odds of a problem.

Honestly, I didn't even notice who brought this up and so I don't want to be too mean, but its genuinely the worst football post I've seen this year. But take heart, it's still very early in the year.
100% agree with YoHo. I thought it was a joke at first, and then some agree to it. We would be giving up multiple shots at the Super Bowl for a talented yes, expensive yes, young yes QB. WE JUST DRAFTED A QB IN THE FIRST ROUND TO BE THAT GUY AFTER OUR MVP QB RETIRES OR MOVES ON IN ANOTHER 2 YEARS. Give up Davante? So Watson comes here with no supporting cast after the number 1 WR in the NFL and number 1 RB on the team go away?

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YoHoChecko wrote:
07 Jan 2021 11:39
I don't even understand what the payoff would be of trading away our two best players for one who is maybe also going to be as good as Rodgers but who is younger.

Like, he's not cheaper? He has the second biggest contract in football. Rodgers isn't retiring this year or next, so we don't have an immediate need.

This entire deal would be for, what, to replace 2023/4 Love with 2023/4 Watson at the cost of replacing 2021 and 2022 Rodgers with Watson?

AND throw in the league's best WR?

Like, that is a very stupid, awful, terrible deal for us. It's attempting to solve a problem 2-3 years out that we don't even know if it's a problem yet, and it comes at the cost of the next two years when we could easily just draft another QB next year to also develop alongside Love to reduce the odds of a problem.

Honestly, I didn't even notice who brought this up and so I don't want to be too mean, but its genuinely the worst football post I've seen this year. But take heart, it's still very early in the year.
It's a hypothetical that could and would never happen. Relax.
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Davante Adams is exactly the type of WR you want for a young Jordan Love. He is a security blanket, he is team first, he is an obsessed student of the game and relentless on perfecting his craft.

It is why I want Adams resigned so bad. I want him to have two years at least with Jordan Love once he takes the reigns.
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Yoop wrote:
07 Jan 2021 10:22
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07 Jan 2021 09:59
People are acting like Hurts was hooping. He was 7/20 with a pick.

The Chiefs and Eagles both did what they get was best for their organization. Not sure what people are talking about. Complaining to complain.
you don't get it, this season it's tanking to move from slot 6 to 9, what will it take for a team to tank next year, or for a half doz teams to follow that in years to come each season, all in the hopes of drafting a 60% hit rate player a few selections earlier in the draft, soon we'll see a snowballing affect of starters giving a half effort late season when they know the FO is purposely trying to lose, in affect the game declines.

will the league do anything about this? not likely any more then a stern scolding behind closed doors, it's a can of worms they will avoid opening unless this escallates, which I expect it will, hopefully it never will with the Packers.
I made a comment about this on a different thread. This goes way past just tanking for a lower draft pick. What about betting? Odds come out on Friday and a team is giving 2, come Sunday and the team tanks by sitting some of it's best players. By the time of kickoff, that same team may be getting 7. All because some slimly owner wants a lower pick.
And how about fans who purchase tickets? Do they get a refund because a team/owner decides to throw a game?
This type of action has to be stopped now.
Only way I can see right now is to go to a lottery system for non playoff teams.
I hear people saying, the Eagles are doing what's best for the Eagles. Well, what's best for them is really bad for the league.

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Christo wrote:
07 Jan 2021 14:15
Yoop wrote:
07 Jan 2021 10:22
lupedafiasco wrote:
07 Jan 2021 09:59
People are acting like Hurts was hooping. He was 7/20 with a pick.

The Chiefs and Eagles both did what they get was best for their organization. Not sure what people are talking about. Complaining to complain.
you don't get it, this season it's tanking to move from slot 6 to 9, what will it take for a team to tank next year, or for a half doz teams to follow that in years to come each season, all in the hopes of drafting a 60% hit rate player a few selections earlier in the draft, soon we'll see a snowballing affect of starters giving a half effort late season when they know the FO is purposely trying to lose, in affect the game declines.

will the league do anything about this? not likely any more then a stern scolding behind closed doors, it's a can of worms they will avoid opening unless this escallates, which I expect it will, hopefully it never will with the Packers.
I made a comment about this on a different thread. This goes way past just tanking for a lower draft pick. What about betting? Odds come out on Friday and a team is giving 2, come Sunday and the team tanks by sitting some of it's best players. By the time of kickoff, that same team may be getting 7. All because some slimly owner wants a lower pick.
And how about fans who purchase tickets? Do they get a refund because a team/owner decides to throw a game?
This type of action has to be stopped now.
Only way I can see right now is to go to a lottery system for non playoff teams.
I hear people saying, the Eagles are doing what's best for the Eagles. Well, what's best for them is really bad for the league.
I have no sympathy for these people. If you are betting on a meaningless game, I would hope the bettor would understand and have considered all of the possible ways to lose his/her money.
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Samesies, if someone if voluntarily betting on a game that is meaningless to one team...

Nobody owes that person anything.
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NCF wrote:
07 Jan 2021 14:20
Christo wrote:
07 Jan 2021 14:15
Yoop wrote:
07 Jan 2021 10:22


you don't get it, this season it's tanking to move from slot 6 to 9, what will it take for a team to tank next year, or for a half doz teams to follow that in years to come each season, all in the hopes of drafting a 60% hit rate player a few selections earlier in the draft, soon we'll see a snowballing affect of starters giving a half effort late season when they know the FO is purposely trying to lose, in affect the game declines.

will the league do anything about this? not likely any more then a stern scolding behind closed doors, it's a can of worms they will avoid opening unless this escallates, which I expect it will, hopefully it never will with the Packers.
I made a comment about this on a different thread. This goes way past just tanking for a lower draft pick. What about betting? Odds come out on Friday and a team is giving 2, come Sunday and the team tanks by sitting some of it's best players. By the time of kickoff, that same team may be getting 7. All because some slimly owner wants a lower pick.
And how about fans who purchase tickets? Do they get a refund because a team/owner decides to throw a game?
This type of action has to be stopped now.
Only way I can see right now is to go to a lottery system for non playoff teams.
I hear people saying, the Eagles are doing what's best for the Eagles. Well, what's best for them is really bad for the league.
I have no sympathy for these people. If you are betting on a meaningless game, I would hope the bettor would understand and have considered all of the possible ways to lose his/her money.
Nobody cares if you have sympathy for them or not. By all accounts, that wasn't a meaningless game. Maybe to you, but other people had interests in it.
I've said before, gambling is what drives the NFL. People start messing with that and things will change.

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Most sportsbooks take games off the board if they aren't clear if a team is resting starters or aren't clear on who the QB will be, anyway. And week 17 meaningless games are not the primary driver of gambling activity.

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Christo wrote:
07 Jan 2021 14:29
I've said before, gambling is what drives the NFL. People start messing with that and things will change.
How is it any different than a garbage time TD that changes a betting outcome? You can scream it as loud as you want, it doesn't make you right.
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