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Rumors of the Chiefs trading up for Ruggs.


First reaction, yikes.

After thinking about it, let them double down on the speed at one position and waste several valuable picks not restocking other areas of their team with currently no cap space and a QB on a rookie contract about to get 40 million per.

Just a matter of time where you will start losing talent on the OL and D due to lack of money and picks when the piper comes a piping.
Andy knows how to treat a stud QB :woohoo:

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Yoop wrote:
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BF004 wrote:
20 Apr 2020 13:56
Rumors of the Chiefs trading up for Ruggs.


First reaction, yikes.

After thinking about it, let them double down on the speed at one position and waste several valuable picks not restocking other areas of their team with currently no cap space and a QB on a rookie contract about to get 40 million per.

Just a matter of time where you will start losing talent on the OL and D due to lack of money and picks when the piper comes a piping.
Andy knows how to treat a stud QB :woohoo:
We did that too, we had a historically good offense, 2nd rounder in Nelson, Jennings, Murphy, Cobb, 3rd rounders in Finley and Jones. We had a crap D. Can't win without a D, won't blame Ted for trying, just couldn't pick the right guys.

We won the Super Bowl with a top 5 D. Tom Brady has NEVER won a Super Bowl without a top 5 defense.
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salmar80 wrote:
21 Apr 2020 15:46
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21 Apr 2020 15:34
Have we seen anything that indicates that Gronk is coming back? Or is Tampa just trading for the rights? I haven't seen anything, but I have to imagine Tampa wouldn't do this unless they knew for certain.
PFT telling Gronk said he'd only return to play with the Bucs and Brady:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... with-bucs/

BTW, imagine being the Bucs and having the gall to demand a 7th rounder to go with Gronk... That's a GM who'll never say "keep the change" (or one fond of subtle middle fingers).
I find it really curious that 2 of the cornerstones of the Patriots' offensive juggernaut are now gone practically signalling the end of an era. You have to wonder what is going on in Foxborough. It was different when Favre left because we had somebody in the wings to replace him with. NE is going to have to scramble and try to move up to get one of the top QBs in the draft this weekend.

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Man, on paper the Buc's roster looks pretty impressive.

Brady, Gronk, Howard, Brate, Godwin, and Evans on offense. Barrett, Pierre-Paul, Suh, and Vea up front on defense. A capable Bruce Arians as HC.

Lot of big albeit aging names mixed with some young talent. It'll be interesting to see if there is enough in the tank for them to collectively make a run.

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Man, on paper the Buc's roster looks pretty impressive.

Brady, Gronk, Howard, Brate, Godwin, and Evans on offense. Barrett, Pierre-Paul, Suh, and Vea up front on defense. A capable Bruce Arians as HC.

Lot of big albeit aging names mixed with some young talent. It'll be interesting to see if there is enough in the tank for them to collectively make a run.
4-12. Watch them crash and burn.
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Meh, only care if we get OJ Howard as a result.
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
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Meh, only care if we get OJ Howard as a result.
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
uhh I dont get the ONLY part, 78" + 30" = 108 " add another 30 plus and the tip of his fingers are over 12 foot, that still a very big catch radius :lol:

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Yoop wrote:
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NCF wrote:
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Meh, only care if we get OJ Howard as a result.
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
uhh I dont get the ONLY part, 78" + 30" = 108 " add another 30 plus and the tip of his fingers are over 12 foot, that still a very big catch radius :lol:
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/oj-howard
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I find it really curious that 2 of the cornerstones of the Patriots' offensive juggernaut are now gone practically signalling the end of an era. You have to wonder what is going on in Foxborough. It was different when Favre left because we had somebody in the wings to replace him with. NE is going to have to scramble and try to move up to get one of the top QBs in the draft this weekend.
That and the Buccaneers' season will have some GREAT storylines.

Belichick has plenty enough job security to do whatever he wants from totally tanking it to actually trying to make it work with Stidham, a draft pick, or a after draft QB signing. This season will be so different from before, that the fan base should be excited with anything new after years and years of "boring" expected success with TB12.
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NCF wrote:
22 Apr 2020 08:52
BF004 wrote:
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Meh, only care if we get OJ Howard as a result.
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
His other "burst" numbers seem more in line with the athlete many thought he was/is. I wonder if his vertical measure is more a result of bad technique or random poor test outlier?

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Measurable	Measurement	%tile
Height		6' 6"		87
Weight		251 lbs		39
Arm Length	33¾"		77
Hand Size	10"		59
40 Yard Dash	4.51s		96
Vertical Jump	30"		18
Broad Jump	121"		84
3-Cone Drill	6.85s		92
20 Yard Shuttle	4.16s		89
60 Yard Shuttle	11.46s		94
Bench Press	22 reps		66

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I checked and he chose not to jump at his proday but did workout.

So guessing that might just be his range rather than an outlier.
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NCF wrote:
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Yoop wrote:
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NCF wrote:
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Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
uhh I dont get the ONLY part, 78" + 30" = 108 " add another 30 plus and the tip of his fingers are over 12 foot, that still a very big catch radius :lol:
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/oj-howard
thanks, when ya compare 30" is about 3 under average, I still don't think it really says much, Kelce, Witten, a few others are only 32" and there pretty good, sometimes I think the numbers can be mis leading.

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Trey Burton signed with the Colts and I am sad. Would have been a really nice fit for us.

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YoHoChecko wrote:
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Trey Burton signed with the Colts and I am sad. Would have been a really nice fit for us.
Yeah, I was really high on him when he was with the Eagles. I'm not quite as high on him anymore but would have still liked to have him on our roster.

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Laremy Tunsil :shock: 3 years, $66M, $50M guaranteed, $40M due at signing.
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Laremy Tunsil :shock: 3 years, $66M, $50M guaranteed, $40M due at signing.
Plus, the pick that was used to draft Jordan Love was included in that deal!

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Trent Williams is being traded to the 49ers. 5th this year, 3rd next year.
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Laremy Tunsil :shock: 3 years, $66M, $50M guaranteed, $40M due at signing.
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Laremy Tunsil :shock: 3 years, $66M, $50M guaranteed, $40M due at signing.
Adds another interesting layer to our negotiations with Bak.
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APB wrote:
22 Apr 2020 11:40
NCF wrote:
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BF004 wrote:
21 Apr 2020 15:20



Meh, only care if we get OJ Howard as a result.
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
His other "burst" numbers seem more in line with the athlete many thought he was/is. I wonder if his vertical measure is more a result of bad technique or random poor test outlier?

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Measurable	Measurement	%tile
Height		6' 6"		87
Weight		251 lbs		39
Arm Length	33¾"		77
Hand Size	10"		59
40 Yard Dash	4.51s		96
Vertical Jump	30"		18
Broad Jump	121"		84
3-Cone Drill	6.85s		92
20 Yard Shuttle	4.16s		89
60 Yard Shuttle	11.46s		94
Bench Press	22 reps		66
Bit late, but it looks like a technique issue to be.

The broad jump and vertical jump largely measure the same thing, leg explosion. The broad jump is a 45 degree vertical jump and uses a bit more posterior strength (deadlift) than quad strength (squat). But there is logically and actually a very strong relationship between them; a 10' broad jump typically coresponds to a 35" vertical. Outliers at either tend to point to technique issues moreso than anything.

Tho its said that white dudes can't jump and its not atypical for white guys to have a worse vertical than their broad jump would suggest.

There is also a S&C program element, some programs produce crappy jumpers for some reason (poor explosion training possibly? dunno). LSU was a classic example back when I paid a lot of attention to the draft in the mid-00's.

The 10 yd split is also typically closely correlated with vertical and broad. Its another measure of the same thing albeit with different technique.

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