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I said whether he did what was right or not can be debated, but that what he did revealed his mindset. Also, I dont think anything happened this year that would have changed his mindset.
I think when the offense starting sucking this year it wasnt because we didnt have a slot guy, it was because we stopped trying to run the ball. The offense worked well most of the year, Lafleur did a nice job of scheming average players open all year.
when the run wont move the chains, or get production on the first or even second down the play callers will start to pass more, and that is why we quit running in some games.
the offense stalled because NO one we had could replace selling the pre snap motion like Ervin, we went and got Austin but he couldn't sell it either, if ya can't sell it then why even use it, which was to me the major issue that caused Lafluer to use it less.
yes Lafluer did a great job with the players he had to work with, however we lost 4 games because no matter what he tried to do wasn't enough, if he had that short zone slot guy it would have given him a player that can/ maybe shed and become a better under neath receiver that we lacked, almost every game annalist commented about this very thing in practically every game we played, course Packer fans no better
So I have no idea where a guy like Tutu Atwell will end up. Daniel Jerimiah has the Packers taking him at 29 which was honestly about 2 rounds higher than I thought he would go because he is not a route runner technician.
But I think getting Atwell in Rd 3 or trading up in Rd 4 to nab him would be the Packers dream. Fantastic value but a guy who can be a returner specialist while also filling that Ervin role with the exception of being far more dangerous with the ball in his hands.
well if Jerimiah says he thinks he is a late first, or high 2nd round grade I'd listen, he usually does a pretty good job slotting these players, imo a great slot receiver is what this offense missed last year, and we saw that as soon as Ervin was hurt.
I don't agree concerning this player returning kicks and punts, I didn't agree with it concerning Cobb either, I don't want my impact offensive players getting exposed on teams play, to hard for players to protect themselves on the goony squads, maybe in the play offs, but thats it.
I love Gutey emphasizing about Rodgers being a part of the plan now and in the future. Queue the rumor that Rodgers is gunning for LaFleur's job after he's done playing and he's going to coach up Jordan Love!
where can I rewatch Paco it wasn't on Packers.com or JSonline?
I love Gutey emphasizing about Rodgers being a part of the plan now and in the future. Queue the rumor that Rodgers is gunning for LaFleur's job after he's done playing and he's going to coach up Jordan Love!
where can I rewatch Paco it wasn't on Packers.com or JSonline?
I love Gutey emphasizing about Rodgers being a part of the plan now and in the future. Queue the rumor that Rodgers is gunning for LaFleur's job after he's done playing and he's going to coach up Jordan Love!
where can I rewatch Paco it wasn't on Packers.com or JSonline?
well if Jerimiah says he thinks he is a late first, or high 2nd round grade I'd listen, he usually does a pretty good job slotting these players, imo a great slot receiver is what this offense missed last year, and we saw that as soon as Ervin was hurt.
I don't agree concerning this player returning kicks and punts, I didn't agree with it concerning Cobb either, I don't want my impact offensive players getting exposed on teams play, to hard for players to protect themselves on the goony squads, maybe in the play offs, but thats it.
Yeah I would just be very surprised a guy like Tutu would be our immediate #2 and you and I have very different expectations of what a rookie WR would. Reports are Atwell is not a good route runner from everything I am reading and we have documented at least a million times how important that is for Rodgers.
I think there are two types of WRs we target in this draft:
1. One type is a franchise type WR. One we would hope would be that #3 and fighting for the #2 WR to be molded into a #1 in 3 years or so. Example is like a JaMarr Chase, Terrace Marshal or Rashad Batemen - who I would be in complete favor of taking at 29 if any of them are there.
2. The other type is that gadget WR to be a significantly better version of Tyler Ervin. This guy will be your jet sweet and motion guy. This guy will be quick and agile and make guys miss and get to the outside in a hurry. This guy will do basic slot routes in the middle of the field where we design him open but not rely on him making contest catches. Guys I view here are High End: Kadarius Toney (I think he is legit WR who can do it all). Lower End: Tutu Atwel and Eli Stove. I would honestly want Atwell or Stove being on STs so we can make this unit competent. I don't know if Stove has STs returner experience or not.
I am sensing you are counting on, once again, our 29 pick to be a ROY #2 WR. I would just caution against that expectation because I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment again.
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I love Gutey emphasizing about Rodgers being a part of the plan now and in the future. Queue the rumor that Rodgers is gunning for LaFleur's job after he's done playing and he's going to coach up Jordan Love!
where can I rewatch Paco it wasn't on Packers.com or JSonline?
packers.com facebook, twitter
thanks, got it, never clicked on Packers.com facebook before.
so far have only had time to listen to Matt a little, he's taking all the blame, imo he coached well enough for us to win, our players are the ones that left points on the field.
well if Jerimiah says he thinks he is a late first, or high 2nd round grade I'd listen, he usually does a pretty good job slotting these players, imo a great slot receiver is what this offense missed last year, and we saw that as soon as Ervin was hurt.
I don't agree concerning this player returning kicks and punts, I didn't agree with it concerning Cobb either, I don't want my impact offensive players getting exposed on teams play, to hard for players to protect themselves on the goony squads, maybe in the play offs, but thats it.
Yeah I would just be very surprised a guy like Tutu would be our immediate #2 and you and I have very different expectations of what a rookie WR would. Reports are Atwell is not a good route runner from everything I am reading and we have documented at least a million times how important that is for Rodgers.
I think there are two types of WRs we target in this draft:
1. One type is a franchise type WR. One we would hope would be that #3 and fighting for the #2 WR to be molded into a #1 in 3 years or so. Example is like a JaMarr Chase, Terrace Marshal or Rashad Batemen - who I would be in complete favor of taking at 29 if any of them are there.
2. The other type is that gadget WR to be a significantly better version of Tyler Ervin. This guy will be your jet sweet and motion guy. This guy will be quick and agile and make guys miss and get to the outside in a hurry. This guy will do basic slot routes in the middle of the field where we design him open but not rely on him making contest catches. Guys I view here are High End: Kadarius Toney (I think he is legit WR who can do it all). Lower End: Tutu Atwel and Eli Stove. I would honestly want Atwell or Stove being on STs so we can make this unit competent. I don't know if Stove has STs returner experience or not.
I am sensing you are counting on, once again, our 29 pick to be a ROY #2 WR. I would just caution against that expectation because I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment again.
well if your going to use short ball schemes then the better your slot receiver is the better, but that doesn't mean a good one can't be found in 2nd or later rounds, just that typically the first round holds the more ready to play NOW players.
hell NE schemed Edleman open at the los, you don't need to scheme a guy like that open at mid field, heck the goal is to scheme him open in a 2 count so the QB can get him the ball before the pass rush hits the QB, Lafluers schems demand one of these players, yet we pass on 7 WR's last year that fit this mold, I can just imagine the look on Matts face when Guty picked Love last year, how foolish can ya get.
well if Jerimiah says he thinks he is a late first, or high 2nd round grade I'd listen, he usually does a pretty good job slotting these players, imo a great slot receiver is what this offense missed last year, and we saw that as soon as Ervin was hurt.
I don't agree concerning this player returning kicks and punts, I didn't agree with it concerning Cobb either, I don't want my impact offensive players getting exposed on teams play, to hard for players to protect themselves on the goony squads, maybe in the play offs, but thats it.
Yeah I would just be very surprised a guy like Tutu would be our immediate #2 and you and I have very different expectations of what a rookie WR would. Reports are Atwell is not a good route runner from everything I am reading and we have documented at least a million times how important that is for Rodgers.
I think there are two types of WRs we target in this draft:
1. One type is a franchise type WR. One we would hope would be that #3 and fighting for the #2 WR to be molded into a #1 in 3 years or so. Example is like a JaMarr Chase, Terrace Marshal or Rashad Batemen - who I would be in complete favor of taking at 29 if any of them are there.
2. The other type is that gadget WR to be a significantly better version of Tyler Ervin. This guy will be your jet sweet and motion guy. This guy will be quick and agile and make guys miss and get to the outside in a hurry. This guy will do basic slot routes in the middle of the field where we design him open but not rely on him making contest catches. Guys I view here are High End: Kadarius Toney (I think he is legit WR who can do it all). Lower End: Tutu Atwel and Eli Stove. I would honestly want Atwell or Stove being on STs so we can make this unit competent. I don't know if Stove has STs returner experience or not.
I am sensing you are counting on, once again, our 29 pick to be a ROY #2 WR. I would just caution against that expectation because I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment again.
well if your going to use short ball schemes then the better your slot receiver is the better, but that doesn't mean a good one can't be found in 2nd or later rounds, just that typically the first round holds the more ready to play NOW players.
hell NE schemed Edleman open at the los, you don't need to scheme a guy like that open at mid field, heck the goal is to scheme him open in a 2 count so the QB can get him the ball before the pass rush hits the QB, Lafluers schems demand one of these players, yet we pass on 7 WR's last year that fit this mold, I can just imagine the look on Matts face when Guty picked Love last year, how foolish can ya get.
So what type of WR do you specifically want? Because at first I thought your complaint was about our WRs not getting open. But now our scheme is supposed to design our WRs open as you stated above....so I'm a bit confused.
So are you looking for a WR who can be dangerous in the open field? That is the type I would like and think we could find in the mid rounds... I don't want to spend heavy on a WR this draft because I think we can utilize those resources better elsewhere. Though admittedly the supply of that type is low this year. But because we are also looking at finding a WR in the "mid/early mid round"...I see no reason why we couldn't expect that player to contribute on STs. Especially his first few years.
And what 7 WRs of this "mold" did we pass on last year? Trying to get an idea of what WR you actually want for this offense so I can start filtering when I look at prospects.
Yeah I would just be very surprised a guy like Tutu would be our immediate #2 and you and I have very different expectations of what a rookie WR would. Reports are Atwell is not a good route runner from everything I am reading and we have documented at least a million times how important that is for Rodgers.
I think there are two types of WRs we target in this draft:
1. One type is a franchise type WR. One we would hope would be that #3 and fighting for the #2 WR to be molded into a #1 in 3 years or so. Example is like a JaMarr Chase, Terrace Marshal or Rashad Batemen - who I would be in complete favor of taking at 29 if any of them are there.
2. The other type is that gadget WR to be a significantly better version of Tyler Ervin. This guy will be your jet sweet and motion guy. This guy will be quick and agile and make guys miss and get to the outside in a hurry. This guy will do basic slot routes in the middle of the field where we design him open but not rely on him making contest catches. Guys I view here are High End: Kadarius Toney (I think he is legit WR who can do it all). Lower End: Tutu Atwel and Eli Stove. I would honestly want Atwell or Stove being on STs so we can make this unit competent. I don't know if Stove has STs returner experience or not.
I am sensing you are counting on, once again, our 29 pick to be a ROY #2 WR. I would just caution against that expectation because I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment again.
well if your going to use short ball schemes then the better your slot receiver is the better, but that doesn't mean a good one can't be found in 2nd or later rounds, just that typically the first round holds the more ready to play NOW players.
hell NE schemed Edleman open at the los, you don't need to scheme a guy like that open at mid field, heck the goal is to scheme him open in a 2 count so the QB can get him the ball before the pass rush hits the QB, Lafluers schems demand one of these players, yet we pass on 7 WR's last year that fit this mold, I can just imagine the look on Matts face when Guty picked Love last year, how foolish can ya get.
So what type of WR do you specifically want? Because at first I thought it was about our WRs not getting open. But now our scheme is supposed to design our WRs open.
So are you looking for a WR who can be dangerous in the open field? That is the type I would like and think we could find in the mid rounds...though admittedly the supply of that type is low this year.
And what 7 WRs of this "mold" did we pass on last year? Trying to get an idea of what WR you actually want for this offense so I can start filtering when I look at prospects.
well I'am multi tasking today so I don't have time to relook at last years draft class, but counting JJ and reager that imo we could have moved up for there where about 5 others that later that would seem to fit the job.
that should tell you the type I'am interested in, we have plenty of receivers that Lafluer can scheme open mid field, what we miss is a guy like Ervin, quicks over outright straight line speed, guys that can change direction at near full speed, I guy that is a threat with the ball in his hands, a guy the defense has to respect when when motioning in the backfield.
lis before, go watch the games prior to Ervins injury, Ervin's little bit of success on Keepers forced defense to pay attention when we used him in fake jet sweeps and motion.
It's the same player almost all of us wanted last year a WR/RB hybrid, the same player we hoped Montgomery would be, a replacement for Randall Cobb.
Not gonna watch much of the MLF conference that is LIVE right now but I did catch about 30 seconds and what I can say is he honestly looks emotionally distressed right now.
Not gonna watch much of the MLF conference that is LIVE right now but I did catch about 30 seconds and what I can say is he honestly looks emotionally distressed right now.
It was live a few hours ago. He was sweaty walking in. Wouldn't doubt he just came from working out. He never seems 100% comfortable in pressers that aren't right after something good happened.
Not gonna watch much of the MLF conference that is LIVE right now but I did catch about 30 seconds and what I can say is he honestly looks emotionally distressed right now.
It was live a few hours ago. He was sweaty walking in. Wouldn't doubt he just came from working out. He never seems 100% comfortable in pressers that aren't right after something good happened.
I thought at first the sound wasn't syncing, but after a little bit he just seemed to be trying to find the right words to satisfy some of the idiotic questions being asked, thats why I swore off listening to these pressers years ago, some of these jerks really irratate me, they want concrete answers in a styrofoam atmosphere. like is Rodgers going to be your QB in 2023, gotta love Lafluer, he is so devoted to his assistants and players.
Not gonna watch much of the MLF conference that is LIVE right now but I did catch about 30 seconds and what I can say is he honestly looks emotionally distressed right now.
It was live a few hours ago. He was sweaty walking in. Wouldn't doubt he just came from working out. He never seems 100% comfortable in pressers that aren't right after something good happened.
I thought at first the sound wasn't syncing, but after a little bit he just seemed to be trying to find the right words to satisfy some of the idiotic questions being asked, thats why I swore off listening to these pressers years ago, some of these jerks really irratate me, they want concrete answers in a styrofoam atmosphere. like is Rodgers going to be your QB in 2023, gotta love Lafluer, he is so devoted to his assistants and players.
Yep, as usual a lot of the questions were crap. I think its funny that Gutey will basically tell you when he likes the question. I think he liked 1 question in his presser.
It was live a few hours ago. He was sweaty walking in. Wouldn't doubt he just came from working out. He never seems 100% comfortable in pressers that aren't right after something good happened.
I thought at first the sound wasn't syncing, but after a little bit he just seemed to be trying to find the right words to satisfy some of the idiotic questions being asked, thats why I swore off listening to these pressers years ago, some of these jerks really irratate me, they want concrete answers in a styrofoam atmosphere. like is Rodgers going to be your QB in 2023, gotta love Lafluer, he is so devoted to his assistants and players.
Yep, as usual a lot of the questions were crap. I think its funny that Gutey will basically tell you when he likes the question. I think he liked 1 question in his presser.
ya, that question of if he had it to do over, would he still take Love, was obviously a question he did not like, I'am over that ordeal, and I admit, I didn't have a problem much when we took Hassalback and Brunell, but they where 2nd and 3rd rounders, grooming QB's imo is worth while, we turned those players into good draft picks, it's hard to recoup first round value unless that backup plays a lot and proves that value though, so this situation is a bit different.
I thought at first the sound wasn't syncing, but after a little bit he just seemed to be trying to find the right words to satisfy some of the idiotic questions being asked, thats why I swore off listening to these pressers years ago, some of these jerks really irratate me, they want concrete answers in a styrofoam atmosphere. like is Rodgers going to be your QB in 2023, gotta love Lafluer, he is so devoted to his assistants and players.
Yep, as usual a lot of the questions were crap. I think its funny that Gutey will basically tell you when he likes the question. I think he liked 1 question in his presser.
ya, that question of if he had it to do over, would he still take Love, was obviously a question he did not like, I'am over that ordeal, and I admit, I didn't have a problem much when we took Hassalback and Brunell, but they where 2nd and 3rd rounders, grooming QB's imo is worth while, we turned those players into good draft picks, it's hard to recoup first round value unless that backup plays a lot and proves that value though, so this situation is a bit different.
I think, when it comes down to it, the Packers were expecting to continue seeing a downward trajectory in Aaron's play. He was MVP this season. But he wasn't MVP during the draft last year. His transformation changes things. MLF and Gutey both know that. They'll adjust and do what they think is best for the team. It might be a wasted pick, it might not be. Like all other draft picks. We'll find out in 5 years or so if it was all worth it.
Yep, as usual a lot of the questions were crap. I think its funny that Gutey will basically tell you when he likes the question. I think he liked 1 question in his presser.
ya, that question of if he had it to do over, would he still take Love, was obviously a question he did not like, I'am over that ordeal, and I admit, I didn't have a problem much when we took Hassalback and Brunell, but they where 2nd and 3rd rounders, grooming QB's imo is worth while, we turned those players into good draft picks, it's hard to recoup first round value unless that backup plays a lot and proves that value though, so this situation is a bit different.
I think, when it comes down to it, the Packers were expecting to continue seeing a downward trajectory in Aaron's play. He was MVP this season. But he wasn't MVP during the draft last year. His transformation changes things. MLF and Gutey both know that. They'll adjust and do what they think is best for the team. It might be a wasted pick, it might not be. Like all other draft picks. We'll find out in 5 years or so if it was all worth it.
depending on draft class, Love is worth as much or more then we gave for him, heck look at what Stafford cost, and reports are saying there where a half doz teams very interested in him, I wouldn't be surprised to know that Guty has received phone calls for Love already now that it looks like Rodgers will be around.
ya, that question of if he had it to do over, would he still take Love, was obviously a question he did not like, I'am over that ordeal, and I admit, I didn't have a problem much when we took Hassalback and Brunell, but they where 2nd and 3rd rounders, grooming QB's imo is worth while, we turned those players into good draft picks, it's hard to recoup first round value unless that backup plays a lot and proves that value though, so this situation is a bit different.
I think, when it comes down to it, the Packers were expecting to continue seeing a downward trajectory in Aaron's play. He was MVP this season. But he wasn't MVP during the draft last year. His transformation changes things. MLF and Gutey both know that. They'll adjust and do what they think is best for the team. It might be a wasted pick, it might not be. Like all other draft picks. We'll find out in 5 years or so if it was all worth it.
depending on draft class, Love is worth as much or more then we gave for him, heck look at what Stafford cost, and reports are saying there where a half doz teams very interested in him, I wouldn't be surprised to know that Guty has received phone calls for Love already now that it looks like Rodgers will be around.
The only way Love gets interest is if he shows he has something in TC, preseason and especially regular season.
And at that point, if we see something in love...we probably want to keep him.
I very much expect Love at this point is worth less than the 26th pick we used to draft him.
I think, when it comes down to it, the Packers were expecting to continue seeing a downward trajectory in Aaron's play. He was MVP this season. But he wasn't MVP during the draft last year. His transformation changes things. MLF and Gutey both know that. They'll adjust and do what they think is best for the team. It might be a wasted pick, it might not be. Like all other draft picks. We'll find out in 5 years or so if it was all worth it.
depending on draft class, Love is worth as much or more then we gave for him, heck look at what Stafford cost, and reports are saying there where a half doz teams very interested in him, I wouldn't be surprised to know that Guty has received phone calls for Love already now that it looks like Rodgers will be around.
The only way Love gets interest is if he shows he has something in TC, preseason and especially regular season.
And at that point, if we see something in love...we probably want to keep him.
I very much expect Love at this point is worth less than the 26th pick we used to draft him.
why would you think that, Love just spent a season with "the Prince of grid iron lore" I would think simply sharing slivers with the Great One would jumps his value to top 20 draft stock, heck they probably rubbed each others balls for cripe sakes footballs I mean
as usual there are 3 QB's expected to go top 15, and one more to round out round 1, so Love to me has the same value as the number 3 and 4, just because he hasn't played he was still a late 1st rounder with promise.
I don't expect this to happen, Guty said grooming QB's for 3 years is a proven plan , he's the boss.
I'am over that ordeal, and I admit, I didn't have a problem much when we took Hassalback and Brunell, but they where 2nd and 3rd rounders, grooming QB's imo is worth while, we turned those players into good draft picks, it's hard to recoup first round value unless that backup plays a lot and proves that value though, so this situation is a bit different.