Packers Salary Cap

[Pckfn23]

You are correct, roster bonus will be paid next month regardless. Base Salary could be turned into guarantees to lump with the roster bonus into a signing bonus.

Why wouldn't he want to help the team out and get paid more in March than he would have originally?

[go pak go]

well I don't get that feeling listening to Andre Brandt, think about it, we edon't have a history as a team of putting all our eggs in a two year basket except for the Devine era, we didn't sell out to prolong Favre's ability, and I just have a hard time we'll see it now with Rodgers, as Gute hinted, we'll do everything we can to help him till we decide to install Love, then we'll continue to do our best to help him, I don't know where you see this blowing all up stuff.

Honestly yoop, we already have sold out. I would view our cap situation as "selling out" already if it means we just keep our current team and players who are already under contract. Deferring $20 to $30 million into later years of players's contracts who are already in later years of their deal (except Bak) is going all in.

The reality is if we decide to defer some cap space, we are likely going to have a "come to Jesus" moment in 2023 which is likely when we make the switch from Rodgers to Love. And that will probably be the year we expense or recognize a lot of the cap we had deferred up to that point.

That's kind of my what I'm seeing anyways. I mean I know the cap thing gets tricky because it expands etc. in later years. But contracts will also expand with it. It just seems apparent to me that if we are going this route to keep our roster in tact, it means we are going for it and can likely expect a rebuil after 2022 and center the new Packers era around Love, Adams, Alexander, Gary, Savage, Clark and Dillon. (among others at that point)

[Yoop]

Bak No way

Yes way. They essentially wrote his contract the way they did so that they could do this. It is already planned and will happen.

Why would Bak agree to this? They have no leverage over him that I can see.

well Bak went and got himself hurt right when we needed him most, and probably wont play for the first 4 to 6 games next year, I'd think he'd try and help the team any way he can, it's not as though he wont eventually get this money, same with some of our other vets, all should be willing to stretch there contracts in order to improve this team.

[Yoop]

well I don't get that feeling listening to Andre Brandt, think about it, we edon't have a history as a team of putting all our eggs in a two year basket except for the Devine era, we didn't sell out to prolong Favre's ability, and I just have a hard time we'll see it now with Rodgers, as Gute hinted, we'll do everything we can to help him till we decide to install Love, then we'll continue to do our best to help him, I don't know where you see this blowing all up stuff.

Honestly yoop, we already have sold out. I would view our cap situation as "selling out" already if it means we just keep our current team and players who are already under contract. Deferring $20 to $30 million into later years of players's contracts who are already in later years of their deal (except Bak) is going all in.

The reality is if we decide to defer some cap space, we are likely going to have a "come to Jesus" moment in 2023 which is likely when we make the switch from Rodgers to Love. And that will probably be the year we expense or recognize a lot of the cap we had deferred up to that point.

That's kind of my what I'm seeing anyways. I mean I know the cap thing gets tricky because it expands etc. in later years. But contracts will also expand with it. It just seems apparent to me that if we are going this route to keep our roster in tact, it means we are going for it and can likely expect a rebuil after 2022 and center the new Packers era around Love, Adams, Alexander, Gary, Savage, Clark and Dillon. (among others at that point)

I expect the cap will jump with TV revenue increases about that time and we'll be able to pay down the back loading, I guess how you define BLOWN UP is the question, to me it means selling off talent to pay past debt, and while we may see some of that ( we always do, sorta) I don't see a mas exodus on the horizon as we have with some other teams in the past, the closest we've come to anything like that was when Ted took over and auctioned off the Guards, It'll be interesting how this unfolds.

[Pckfn23]

Honestly yoop, we already have sold out. I would view our cap situation as "selling out" already if it means we just keep our current team and players who are already under contract. Deferring $20 to $30 million into later years of players's contracts who are already in later years of their deal (except Bak) is going all in.

The reality is if we decide to defer some cap space, we are likely going to have a "come to Jesus" moment in 2023 which is likely when we make the switch from Rodgers to Love. And that will probably be the year we expense or recognize a lot of the cap we had deferred up to that point.

That's kind of my what I'm seeing anyways. I mean I know the cap thing gets tricky because it expands etc. in later years. But contracts will also expand with it. It just seems apparent to me that if we are going this route to keep our roster in tact, it means we are going for it and can likely expect a rebuil after 2022 and center the new Packers era around Love, Adams, Alexander, Gary, Savage, Clark and Dillon. (among others at that point)

I am entirely sure why we need to do these things you are suggesting, like defer $30 million into later years? Or even why that would be such a terrible thing in the case of restructuring Bakhtiari or resigning Amos and Adams and Z. Smith.

[go pak go]

Honestly yoop, we already have sold out. I would view our cap situation as "selling out" already if it means we just keep our current team and players who are already under contract. Deferring $20 to $30 million into later years of players's contracts who are already in later years of their deal (except Bak) is going all in.

The reality is if we decide to defer some cap space, we are likely going to have a "come to Jesus" moment in 2023 which is likely when we make the switch from Rodgers to Love. And that will probably be the year we expense or recognize a lot of the cap we had deferred up to that point.

That's kind of my what I'm seeing anyways. I mean I know the cap thing gets tricky because it expands etc. in later years. But contracts will also expand with it. It just seems apparent to me that if we are going this route to keep our roster in tact, it means we are going for it and can likely expect a rebuil after 2022 and center the new Packers era around Love, Adams, Alexander, Gary, Savage, Clark and Dillon. (among others at that point)

I am entirely sure why we need to do these things you are suggesting, like defer $30 million into later years? Or even why that would be such a terrible thing in the case of restructuring Bakhtiari or resigning Amos and Adams and Z. Smith.

Let me ask you this. How can we get away with not doing it? I'm just a simple CPA and CMA. I probably know numbers more than others but I won't pretend I know the whole story. But by March 17...serious cap alterations have to be made. That we do know. And that is either:

1) - the cap is larger than the $180 - $185 million that we have been hearing.
2) - we defer comp through restructure of Rodgers, Bak, Z, Adams, etc.
3) - we cut

And we still haven't addressed keeping players no longer on 2021 contract like Linsley, Jones or King or any other UFA/released player we would like to get.

Is restructuring terrible? No. Until we see the large cap hits in '23/'24 that may likely force our hand. All of that is hard to get too much into unless we see more specifics of how far down we defer and how much we try and smooth cap expenses.

I am not saying this as a doomer and gloomer. But there is nothing wrong with pointing our situation and what it will mean 2021 - 2024

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[Pckfn23]

If we cut Kirskey and P. Smith, we would be below a flat cap. That's why we get away with not doing what you believe we have to.

Restructuring Bakhtiari isn't pushing some massive number into future years. It adds something like $3-5 Million for the next 4 years.

Resigning Davante Adams or Adrian Amos or Zadarius Smith both locks VERY good players up longer and saves cap space this year.

Look into the future, sure, but I think your future is needlessly bleak.

[Pckfn23]

Don't worry too much about 2024 with only $49 million in contracts or even 2023 with only $89 million in contracts.

[Yoop]

I'm just a simple CPA and CMA.

waaaaha, nothing simple about any of this, thats why we hired Russ " the capoligist " Ball he'll get this figured out

[TheSkeptic]

If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.

[APB]

If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.

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[go pak go]

If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.

Oh. I thought the answer was going to be, "if 2020 taught us anything, it's that even when we clearly have the best roster and homefield advantage to go to the SB and win it, we will still lose the NFC Championship game"

[TheSkeptic]

If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.

Oh. I thought the answer was going to be, "if 2020 taught us anything, it's that even when we clearly have the best roster and homefield advantage to go to the SB and win it, we will still lose the NFC Championship game"

3rd time is a charm

[Yoop]

If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.

Oh. I thought the answer was going to be, "if 2020 taught us anything, it's that even when we clearly have the best roster and homefield advantage to go to the SB and win it, we will still lose the NFC Championship game"

inevitably, we are Jekyl and Hyde, Jekyl during the season, and Hide come playoff time, it's probably because we been lacking A JJ Watts, or a similar dominating player on defense, our defense lacks Identity, even though we have some excellent defensive players, sorta been like this since the early years of Mathews, and Woodson, Z and Clark can dominate, but just havn't done so consistently enough.

[go pak go]

If there is 1 thing that 2020 should have taught us all, it is to live for now. The future will almost certainly be very different than what we expect. Do it now, for September 2021 and February 2022. Worry about 2023 when/if 2023 arrives in a way that we can even recognize.

Oh. I thought the answer was going to be, "if 2020 taught us anything, it's that even when we clearly have the best roster and homefield advantage to go to the SB and win it, we will still lose the NFC Championship game"

inevitably, we are Jekyl and Hyde, Jekyl during the season, and Hide come playoff time, it's probably because we been lacking A JJ Watts, or a similar dominating player on defense, our defense lacks Identity, even though we have some excellent defensive players, sorta been like this since the early years of Mathews, and Woodson, Z and Clark can dominate, but just havn't done so consistently enough.

Kenny Clark is that guy. Jaire Alexander is that guy. Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews were that guy. Z should be that guy.

We have had plenty of teams with "that guy". It's just that "that guy" didn't step up when they needed to. Just like Adams didn't step up when he needed to. Our rosters have been fine. It's the players not playing to their abilities that haven't been fine.

And it's not like we don't have great defensive performances in our playoff wins. We have had a lot of amazing defensive performances over the years....until we don't. Just like our offense. We have lots of great offensive performances over the years....until we don't.

I mean cripes. The 2020 NFCCG is the best offensive performance the Packers have had out of 6 NFC Title games since 1997. Honestly that is pretty sad.

[Half Empty]

We have had plenty of teams with "that guy". It's just that "that guy" didn't step up when they needed to

Semantics, perhaps, but then he wasn't that guy in the first place.

[go pak go]

We have had plenty of teams with "that guy". It's just that "that guy" didn't step up when they needed to

Semantics, perhaps, but then he wasn't that guy in the first place.

And it very well may be. It very well may be that the top of our roster isn't that guy and these Packers will never win what they want to win.

It happens to a lot of teams. Most teams actually if you don't have Tom Brady. That is simply the story of the NFL since 2001.

The issue is fans don't like admitting that or acknowledging that their heroes didn't step up. It's a lot easier to trash a Kevin King or a Ruvell Martin etc. than it is a Davante Adams, Zadarius Smith, etc.

Personally I believe we have the players to be able to do it. They just didn't.

[paco]

[BF004]

[lupedafiasco]

There’s one.