We have had pretty good success with WRs in that round, though.
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Here was last year's, I can try to update it for this year.British wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021 17:38Just putting it out there that I really hope people post a comprehensive big board before draft day.
Those are essential for non college followers like me to enjoy the draft (my favourite weekend of the season). Following along and crossing off the names is so much fun and it really gives you a sense of where the value might be at certain positions over the weekend.
I know @Waldo used to do them and last year there were a couple of other good ones.
Just wanted to flag this early. Many thanks from across the pond.
Packers.com consulted more than a dozen mock drafts from reputable national outlets and compiled a list of players most frequently mocked as draft selections in the bottom third of the first round (picks 20-32).
Between now and draft day, when the Packers are slated to select at No. 29 overall, those players will be profiled with thumbnail sketches in a new series entitled "Draft Digest."
Today's player is …
Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida
Height/Weight: 5-11, 189
Key stats: Caught 70 passes for 984 yards and 10 TDs in 11 games in 2020, his lone season as a full-time starter. Added 580 rushing yards and two TDs over his college career.
College honors: Named first-team All-Southeastern Conference as an all-purpose player last season, and second-team All-SEC at wide receiver.
Background: A speedy, impressive athlete who was a dual-threat QB during high school in Alabama, Toney came to Florida as an all-around offensive weapon who broke out as a receiver last season. An unclogged depth chart combined with the emergence of Florida QB Kyle Trask helped produce the standout year. After missing six games due to injury in 2019, Toney played every contest in 2020 until sitting out Florida's bowl game to prepare for the draft. He's an explosive playmaker with yards-after-catch ability who most analysts say needs to become a more refined route-runner, not unusual for a player relatively new to the position. He reportedly clocked a 4.38-second time in the 40-yard dash at Florida's pro day. Toney also brings plenty of skill in the return game, having brought back a punt for a TD last season.
Potential fit with Packers: Head Coach Matt LaFleur's offense has a place for a prototypical slot receiver who can run jet sweeps as well as intermediate and deep routes. But no one currently on the roster is filling the role previously manned by Tyler Ervin and Tavon Austin, who are both unrestricted free agents. Toney is the type of athlete with whom offensive coaches can get creative, and there's plenty of development in his game that can be refined. He'd also bring an instant upgrade to the Packers' return game, which has struggled the past two years except for the stretch run in 2019 when Ervin arrived.
Myself and [mention]mnkcarp[/mention] have been advocating for a dynamic "juice" roleplayer either from the RB position or the slot position or both since the comparison of choice involved Bryan Westbrook and Darren Sproles... maybe two forums ago, even. I felt like we got one, sorta, in Cobb. But I yearn for greater and more explicit examples of them, let alone a higher quantity of them.Labrev wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021 11:29Although I doubt it would be very practical in the long-term, I would love to get Toney, if for no other reason than how a weapon like him could make the offense even more lethal while our "window" is still open.
In truth, I have vaguely wanted a guy like that, someone who can make some splash plays in those moments when the O just can't quite seem to get it going (like the first half and Q4 vs. Tampa).
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021 11:26It's very strange to me.
I LOVE guys like Waddle, Toney, and Elijah Moore--these dynamic slot guys who can be gadgets and chain-movers, but who are undersized injury risks with limited roles.
But that last part--the limited roles and undersized aspects.... to me they push them out of top consideration. I know Tyreek Hill is a full-fledged top receiver statistically these days, but a) not all of these guys are him and b) he is in the perfect offense to take advantage of that.
I guess I see it a bit less in measurables (though legit response since I referenced them extensively) and more in role and ability.BF004 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021 11:48Also for Toney, I think he has the size and strength to play against bump and run right on the line. Couple that with his COD and speed, no one gunna play him right at the LOS unless its 2 deep. No one would question if Bateman could play outside, but he is nearly the same size as Toney, similar game strength, similar speed, less COD. Toney is 5'11 1/2", 193, Bateman is 6' 0 3/8" and 190. Guess I don't get why one is a consensus 1st rounder, big enough to play outside and the other is a small gadget only guy not worthy of the 1st round.
My final note in response to this post is that, yes, there is all-around WR potential. POTENTIAL. And it is raw. That, to me, is not where you invest a first round pick on a WR. I want a more-finished product at THIS position, that early. The supply of WRs is so high these days that you can be picky with the demand. EQSB also has the potential to be a good all-around WR. MVS, too. They went in the 5th and 6th because there was so much work to be done to get them there.
woha, that was the quickest trip from pan fried noodles, to chicken and stir fry veggies I ever tookYoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021 12:34OK, one more. FWIW, I think Toney would be an amazing addition to our team and if we take him in round 1, even over my new pet favorite Bateman, I will be excited.
The whole "1st round receiver" thing is a really silly talking point when there have been 4 Pro Bowl WRs for the Packers taken in the second round in Rodgers' career (Jennings, Jordy, Cobb, and Adams). You don't NEED a first round WR when you're batting 1.000 in the second round.Yoop wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021 14:54I can't imagine Guty allowing Rodgers to retire never having a first round WR, real close with Jordy, we traded out of round one and still made him our first pick, I guess that sorta counts, these are the two receivers I like that I think we may have a chance to pick, nice comments guys.
good point, I should have added that Ted's 2nd round WR have been better then most first rounders, more importantly though is that we havn't taken one of them in the last 6 years either, time to restock that position, either one of Toney or Bateman would do obviously, both though could be gone when we pick, from what I saw there are a few slot receivers later that sound interesting, we'll see.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021 15:10The whole "1st round receiver" thing is a really silly talking point when there have been 4 Pro Bowl WRs for the Packers taken in the second round in Rodgers' career (Jennings, Jordy, Cobb, and Adams). You don't NEED a first round WR when you're batting 1.000 in the second round.Yoop wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021 14:54I can't imagine Guty allowing Rodgers to retire never having a first round WR, real close with Jordy, we traded out of round one and still made him our first pick, I guess that sorta counts, these are the two receivers I like that I think we may have a chance to pick, nice comments guys.
The Packers could have taken WR Devin Smith (picked 37th) in the 2015 draft instead of CB Damarius Randall and we would have "taken a first round WR for Rodgers" and the team would be no better off. They could have taken WR Zay Jones (37th) in 2017 instead of trading back for King and would have been worse off. Or maybe N'Keal Harry (32nd) in 2019 instead of trading up for Savage (much worse off).
Taking a WR in the first round is not the mark of whether or not the team/QB has good receivers. How good their receivers are is the mark. And it's really tough to argue with the results of Jennings, Jordy, Cobb, and Adams. It would be difficult to find a team that has drafted better WRs in the first few rounds in the past 15 years than that.
Honest question.Yoop wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021 16:02good point, I should have added that Ted's 2nd round WR have been better then most first rounders, more importantly though is that we havn't taken one of them in the last 6 years either, time to restock that position, either one of Toney or Bateman would do obviously, both though could be gone when we pick, from what I saw there are a few slot receivers later that sound interesting, we'll see.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021 15:10The whole "1st round receiver" thing is a really silly talking point when there have been 4 Pro Bowl WRs for the Packers taken in the second round in Rodgers' career (Jennings, Jordy, Cobb, and Adams). You don't NEED a first round WR when you're batting 1.000 in the second round.Yoop wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021 14:54I can't imagine Guty allowing Rodgers to retire never having a first round WR, real close with Jordy, we traded out of round one and still made him our first pick, I guess that sorta counts, these are the two receivers I like that I think we may have a chance to pick, nice comments guys.
The Packers could have taken WR Devin Smith (picked 37th) in the 2015 draft instead of CB Damarius Randall and we would have "taken a first round WR for Rodgers" and the team would be no better off. They could have taken WR Zay Jones (37th) in 2017 instead of trading back for King and would have been worse off. Or maybe N'Keal Harry (32nd) in 2019 instead of trading up for Savage (much worse off).
Taking a WR in the first round is not the mark of whether or not the team/QB has good receivers. How good their receivers are is the mark. And it's really tough to argue with the results of Jennings, Jordy, Cobb, and Adams. It would be difficult to find a team that has drafted better WRs in the first few rounds in the past 15 years than that.