Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR

[bud fox]

Funny, aren't you the same guy who moans about players that weren't drafted by the Packers. If you don't like somebody's point of view, then stop throwing yours's around.

And again, anyone who gives a player say in the construction of any roster is an idiot.

your the one spouting nonsense here, Players of Rodgers caliber, just like top level employees are given input with CO/ team decisions regularly, or at least allowed to share there opinions, all those GM's and CO CEO's must be idiots then according to you.
ya like everyone else here I have a opinion about players the Packers don't take, after all this is a message board.

If I'm not mistaken, Jimmy Graham was kept around for an extra year because Rodgers wanted him. He liked having somebody close to his age on the team.
Can't really say that worked out all that well.

Nobodies saying a GM can't ask a player if he has any questions about bringing in someone. Such as, you think he can play here or are there any issues between you guys. But giving him say in draft picks is crazy.
Players don't scout, don't interview and don't spend hours watching tape of some obscure kid in a division 3 school.

Do you really think any player on the Packers knew anything about Aaron Jones when he was in college?

I think you are mistaken because from a personnel perspective this team has shown they do not care what Rodgers thinks.

[JKB]

So many things make this highly, highly unlikely. I would rather play the wait and see game than point them all out.

It's a done deal.

Were you in the room when this deal went down?

[Pckfn23]

most of this place wanted Rodgers to be the most expensive player in the league

never happened

I wish I could go back and drag up one of your post, you know damn well people here boasted about it, bragged about it, never said you.

That did not happen. Period.

[Pckfn23]

I think you are mistaken because from a personnel perspective this team has shown they do not care what Rodgers thinks.

And for the most part they shouldn't.

[bud fox]

I think you are mistaken because from a personnel perspective this team has shown they do not care what Rodgers thinks.

And for the most part they shouldn't.

Agreed

But when you play in a single slot position and have been the face of a franchise for years, no mention of retiring and told you are the player still and for the future ... It would make sense for the team to give you a heads up they are drafting your position using the most valuable draft stock they have prior to the media storm coming your way.

Was just dumb by the team ... High fives on camera ... Dumb and lacking experience

[Pckfn23]

That would make sense if they knew ahead of time and it was not a mistake to draft a replacement for a 36 year old QB.

[bud fox]

That would make sense if they knew ahead of time and it was not a mistake to draft a replacement for a 36 year old QB.

They traded up to make the pick. They knew.

They had time. Guy was heavy on there board.

It was inexperience of the front office team and head coach in managing personnel. Hopefully they learn from this and Love can go on to be the best QB of all time surpassing Rodgers

[Pckfn23]

Fabricated facts to fit a narrative. None of us knows. They could have expected him to be gone by 15 so had no intention of a QB. Know where blame may be placed is if they gave Rodgers no indication at all that they would be looking at a replacement in the future. We don't know if they did or didn't do that.

[Bogey]

Yes. Gutey says he maybe should have communicated better. No doubt. But there's a huge difference between a lapse in communication and intentionally, consciously and with malice aforethought deciding to put yourself ahead of a fanbase and organization that made you a millionaire. And you know what? If the Packers hadn't picked him when they did, who knows how much further he would fall and he could have ended up with an organization that would not have nurtured his talents and he would then have faded into obscurity along with a lot of other talented athletes.

[wallyuwl]

Heh, NFL rumors in the age of QAnon...

Rodgers has already been traded, ya just don't know it yet! Surtain is at OTAs as we speak!

QAnon doesn't exist.

[wallyuwl]

Love was a dumb pick. The communication was worse. AR is a narcissistic diva but has reason to still be upset. Maybe getting him a center and Cobb clone will help ease things. And corner help so he and the offense don't need to score a TD every possession after King gets burned.

[Foosball]

Gute’s legacy will be tied to Jordan Love as Thompson’s was to Aaron Rodgers.

[go pak go]

Gute’s legacy will be tied to Jordan Love as Thompson’s was to Aaron Rodgers.

Hahahaha. Ted Thompson's legacy tied to Aaron Rodgers. That's hilarious.

Please. By now all a$$hat Packers fans say picking Rodgers was the obvious choice, they all supported and this self-made, gift wrap Rodgers fell in Thompson's lap and any old fool would have made the pick (except the 23 GMs ahead of him of course)

[Yoop]

Yes. Gutey says he maybe should have communicated better. No doubt. But there's a huge difference between a lapse in communication and intentionally, consciously and with malice aforethought deciding to put yourself ahead of a fanbase and organization that made you a millionaire. And you know what? If the Packers hadn't picked him when they did, who knows how much further he would fall and he could have ended up with an organization that would not have nurtured his talents and he would then have faded into obscurity along with a lot of other talented athletes.

non of this would have come to pass had the FO in some way have guaranteed that Rodgers would be able to play out his contract, the verbal response that Guty keeps making that Rodgers is our QB for 2021 and beyond doesn't provide the assurance that Rodgers wants, he doesn't feel he can trust the FO to honor there word, and this has been going back and forth for months, so naturally in order to make something happen he had to take it to the media, what seems obvious is that Guty wants to be able to trade Rodgers after this season or next and reap a bunch of draft capitol, which is a good business decision, but a slap in the face to Rodgers, as Mark Tausher said, and I agree with is, let him play out his contract and depart, free to go where he wants, we've already gotten plenty of compensation from him with his excellent play.

[Bogey]

Yes. Gutey says he maybe should have communicated better. No doubt. But there's a huge difference between a lapse in communication and intentionally, consciously and with malice aforethought deciding to put yourself ahead of a fanbase and organization that made you a millionaire. And you know what? If the Packers hadn't picked him when they did, who knows how much further he would fall and he could have ended up with an organization that would not have nurtured his talents and he would then have faded into obscurity along with a lot of other talented athletes.

non of this would have come to pass had the FO in some way have guaranteed that Rodgers would be able to play out his contract, the verbal response that Guty keeps making that Rodgers is our QB for 2021 and beyond doesn't provide the assurance that Rodgers wants, he doesn't feel he can trust the FO to honor there word, and this has been going back and forth for months, so naturally in order to make something happen he had to take it to the media, what seems obvious is that Guty wants to be able to trade Rodgers after this season or next and reap a bunch of draft capitol, which is a good business decision, but a slap in the face to Rodgers, as Mark Tausher said, and I agree with is, let him play out his contract and depart, free to go where he wants, we've already gotten plenty of compensation from him with his excellent play.

But there's a huge difference between a lapse in communication and intentionally, consciously and with malice aforethought deciding to put yourself ahead of a fanbase and organization that made you a millionaire.

[Yoop]

Yes. Gutey says he maybe should have communicated better. No doubt. But there's a huge difference between a lapse in communication and intentionally, consciously and with malice aforethought deciding to put yourself ahead of a fanbase and organization that made you a millionaire. And you know what? If the Packers hadn't picked him when they did, who knows how much further he would fall and he could have ended up with an organization that would not have nurtured his talents and he would then have faded into obscurity along with a lot of other talented athletes.

non of this would have come to pass had the FO in some way have guaranteed that Rodgers would be able to play out his contract, the verbal response that Guty keeps making that Rodgers is our QB for 2021 and beyond doesn't provide the assurance that Rodgers wants, he doesn't feel he can trust the FO to honor there word, and this has been going back and forth for months, so naturally in order to make something happen he had to take it to the media, what seems obvious is that Guty wants to be able to trade Rodgers after this season or next and reap a bunch of draft capitol, which is a good business decision, but a slap in the face to Rodgers, as Mark Tausher said, and I agree with is, let him play out his contract and depart, free to go where he wants, we've already gotten plenty of compensation from him with his excellent play.

But there's a huge difference between a lapse in communication and intentionally, consciously and with malice aforethought deciding to put yourself ahead of a fanbase and organization that made you a millionaire.

I hear ya Bogey, it was poor timing, but just like with the athletes kneeling for the Anthem, when communication fails, drastic actions are the result, thats what usually happens, as Tausher and I think some others have said, Guty needed to address this months ago, if his bread is buttered with Rodgers as he claims then he should give up the idea of getting compensation for him and instead provide some sort of financial prof that Rodgers is allowed to play out his contract and walk away free to go where he wants, or more then likely just retire, what he's doing now speaks of using Rodgers as leverage for draft picks and only keeping him till Love is ready to play, maybe thats not the case, but thats how it appears, so naturally Rodgers doesn't like it.

[APB]

Guarantee his contract and playing/starting status? And then let him walk as a FA so that he may go wherever he pleases?

I’m sorry. That makes zero sense from a GMs point of view. You cannot cater to a single player like that. Not only does it lead to the same type of toxic locker room atmosphere as when Favre was in GB but it goes against every GM principle of team building. I’d be calling for the GMs head were he to simply allow a player of great value to walk out the door without compensation. Like it or not, Rodgers is a commodity not unlike every other player on the team.

The thing that bothers me in this...Football is about competing. Rodgers makes the claim all the time he loves to compete. So why the rub over Love? If he’s so supremely talented and confident in his abilities, why all the drama over a pick that he, himself, can keep at bay through his play? Why the draft day leaks and cryptic messaging through agents and media? It all comes across as chicken &%$@ to me.

Rodgers wants contractual and position security not afforded to any other player. Rodgers doesn’t want to have to compete for his position. Rodgers wants the freedom to choose when, where and how his departure will happen. Rodgers wants a voice in who the team acquires (and walks away from) in FA and the draft.

Does that about sum it up for his royal highness?

[go pak go]

I think you are mistaken because from a personnel perspective this team has shown they do not care what Rodgers thinks.

And for the most part they shouldn't.

Agreed

But when you play in a single slot position and have been the face of a franchise for years, no mention of retiring and told you are the player still and for the future ... It would make sense for the team to give you a heads up they are drafting your position using the most valuable draft stock they have prior to the media storm coming your way.

Was just dumb by the team ... High fives on camera ... Dumb and lacking experience

Okay. I understand that it would have been nice if they reached out to Aaron while he was on the Pat McAfee show on Draft Night saying "hey Love is falling and we feel we may need to make a move in that direction if the last WR's fall off the board here".

It certainly is an easy way to bash management because we can say, "they didn't even do that!"

But let's put yourself in Rodgers shoes. If you receive a text or call saying, "just a heads up, this may happen"...is your life materially changed or different? Or do you still wake up the next morning and find your reality is exactly the same. You have a developmental backup on the team who is a low first round selection, you are under contract for 4 more seasons with 3 of them being essentially guaranteed and the final year being a dummy season (which you agreed to when you signed).

My guess is if Rodgers did hear a heads up of what was about to happen, he wouldn't be any less peeved than he is today. He's probably actually happier he didn't get a heads up because it just gives him more ammo to justify why the Packers did him wrong.

[Yoop]

And for the most part they shouldn't.

Agreed

But when you play in a single slot position and have been the face of a franchise for years, no mention of retiring and told you are the player still and for the future ... It would make sense for the team to give you a heads up they are drafting your position using the most valuable draft stock they have prior to the media storm coming your way.

Was just dumb by the team ... High fives on camera ... Dumb and lacking experience

Okay. I understand that it would have been nice if they reached out to Aaron while he was on the Pat McAfee show on Draft saying "hey Love is falling and we feel we may need to make a move in that direction if the last WR's fall off the board here".

It certainly is an easy way to bash management because we can say, "they didn't even do that!"

But let's put yourself in Rodgers shoes. If you receive a text or call saying, "just a heads up, this may happen"...is your life materially changed or different? Or do you still wake up the next morning and find your reality is exactly the same. You have a developmental backup on the team who is a low first round selection, you are under contract for 4 more seasons with 3 of them being essentially guaranteed and the final year being a dummy season (which you agreed to when you signed).

My guess is if Rodgers did hear a heads up of what was about to happen, he wouldn't be any less peeved than he is today. He's probably actually happier he didn't get a heads up because it just gives him more ammo to justify why the Packers did him wrong.

I was told by APB to give this a rest yesterday, but you are far worse then me, you make up all these little scenarios of stuff you pull right out of your ass, that are worse then the supposition media is spilling, FFS the time to get Aaron on board with anything Guty wanted to do was long before the draft even started.

Guty was hard nosing Rodgers back then and did so just a month or so back, offering nothing, now with the rise in temperature he's spouting stuff that very likely didn't happen such as I always welcomed Aarons input, your so quick to paint Rodgers like a snivling little brat, you over look the obvious, Guty wanted to placate Rodgers till Love is ready to play, then trade him, save some contract money and get as much compensation as possible with a trade, this is not near as complicated to figure out as long as you don't make3 up stuff to strengthen your point of view.

[go pak go]

Agreed

But when you play in a single slot position and have been the face of a franchise for years, no mention of retiring and told you are the player still and for the future ... It would make sense for the team to give you a heads up they are drafting your position using the most valuable draft stock they have prior to the media storm coming your way.

Was just dumb by the team ... High fives on camera ... Dumb and lacking experience

Okay. I understand that it would have been nice if they reached out to Aaron while he was on the Pat McAfee show on Draft saying "hey Love is falling and we feel we may need to make a move in that direction if the last WR's fall off the board here".

It certainly is an easy way to bash management because we can say, "they didn't even do that!"

But let's put yourself in Rodgers shoes. If you receive a text or call saying, "just a heads up, this may happen"...is your life materially changed or different? Or do you still wake up the next morning and find your reality is exactly the same. You have a developmental backup on the team who is a low first round selection, you are under contract for 4 more seasons with 3 of them being essentially guaranteed and the final year being a dummy season (which you agreed to when you signed).

My guess is if Rodgers did hear a heads up of what was about to happen, he wouldn't be any less peeved than he is today. He's probably actually happier he didn't get a heads up because it just gives him more ammo to justify why the Packers did him wrong.

I was told by APB to give this a rest yesterday, but you are far worse then me, you make up all these little scenarios of stuff you pull right out of your ass, that are worse then the supposition media is spilling, FFS the time to get Aaron on board with anything Guty wanted to do was long before the draft even started.

Guty was hard nosing Rodgers back then and did so just a month or so back, offering nothing, now with the rise in temperature he's spouting stuff that very likely didn't happen such as I always welcomed Aarons input, your so quick to paint Rodgers like a snivling little brat, you over look the obvious, Guty wanted to placate Rodgers till Love is ready to play, then trade him, save some contract money and get as much compensation as possible with a trade, this is not near as complicated to figure out as long as you don't make3 up stuff to strengthen your point of view.

Completely irrelevant to my post. I don't know what you're spouting about based on what I said. Literally mentioned nothing about Rodgers being a spoiled brat in my post. Instead discussed that notifying a player beforehand wouldn't materially change the situation. But yes. I can agree that the Packers should improve its "soft skills" when dealing with employees.

But as far as the contract stuff...I mean I know I would certainly entertain the idea of trading Rodgers going into 2023 because it met a good timeline and we could potentially be compensated well for it. A lot of people on this forum did. But I guess you open that door when you allow the team to have a dummy contract year in that final season. That is the price you pay when you allow the team to look out for their best interest when setting up a dummy year in your contract.

Negotiation is give and take. The team wanted a dummy year. Rodgers could have said "no to dummy year" and the team could have then given less guaranteed money or overall contract value reducing cap hit each year while Rodgers played.

That's why I don't have that much sympathy for Rodgers. He is complaining about a contract that he agreed to and signed and overall made him a very, very rich man that he and his agent should have had months if not years of due diligence on that contract before signing.