Rodgers wants out

[TheSkeptic]

I defend Rodgers because Rodgers meant more to our wining most seasons then the supporting cast did, and you've supported the rag muffin defense that rarely ever gave up less then 25 pts a game, or receivers that rarely beat 1 on 1 coverage over Rodgers, thats why I defend Rodgers.

you don't think we can be as good minus Rodgers, yet you blame him for our losses, you bet I blame this FO before I blame the QB, minus him and we'd probably still have McCarthy.

So the 2010, 2014 and 2019 (and a lesser extent 2020) defenses were rag muffin defenses?

Because those are the only defenses I was defending.

And yoop, of course the QB should mean more to a team's success of winning games than any other specific position. It is why so much resources are allocated to that position. And the Packers have allocated more cap to that position over the last 10 years than any other team in the league which means that position will need to carry the team more than others due to it being rewarded more than any other. That just comes with it.

Rodgers is #8 for highest paid players, so no, the Packers did not pay more for our QB then any other team, nice try

https://www.businessinsider.com/highest ... million-23

He is third among QB's:
Russell Wilson, Seahawks, $35 million
Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers, $34 million
Aaron Rodgers, Packers, $33.5 million
Jared Goff, Rams, $33.5 million
Kirk Cousins, Vikings, $33 million
Carson Wentz, Eagles, $32 million
Dak Prescott, Cowboys, $30.144 million
Matt Ryan, Falcons, $30 million
Ryan Tannehill, Titans, $29.5 million
Jacoby Brissett, Colts, $27.975 million
Jimmy Garoppolo, 49ers, $27.5 million
Matthew Stafford, Lions, $27 million
Derek Carr, Raiders, $25.005 million
Tom Brady, Buccaneers, $25 million
Drew Brees, Saints, $25 million
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patrio ... arterbacks

[YoHoChecko]

The claim was total cap dollars spent at QB over the past 10 years combined.

I don't know where to find that info, but neither of the responses had anything to do with it. Single-year cap dollar snippets AND/OR new money/new year contract averages do not correlate at all to the claim.

[Yoop]

point is that he was not the highest paid player in the league the last 10 years, cap dollars or any other way, and made 30 mil less then Bree's, most SB winning teams have very expensive QB's.

[BF004]

Russell Okung has been the highest paid player in the NFL the past few years because of his conviction.

At least potentially a month ago.

[Drj820]

Yoop you are just continuing to prove my point on each of your follow up posts in terms of emotional attachment of irrational defense of Rodgers at the expense of degrading the Packers.

Will the Packers be as successful in terms of NFC title appearances after Rodgers? My money is no; simply due to numbers. The Packers went there a lot the last 10 years so to replicate that will be very hard unless the next QB option is a high level caliber QB.

I defend Rodgers because Rodgers meant more to our wining most seasons then the supporting cast did, and you've supported the rag muffin defense that rarely ever gave up less then 25 pts a game, or receivers that rarely beat 1 on 1 coverage over Rodgers, thats why I defend Rodgers.

you don't think we can be as good minus Rodgers, yet you blame him for our losses, you bet I blame this FO before I blame the QB, minus him and we'd probably still have McCarthy.

So the 2010, 2014 and 2019 (and a lesser extent 2020) defenses were rag muffin defenses?

Because those are the only defenses I was defending.

And yoop, of course the QB should mean more to a team's success of winning games than any other specific position. It is why so much resources are allocated to that position. And the Packers have allocated more cap to that position over the last 10 years than any other team in the league which means that position will need to carry the team more than others due to it being rewarded more than any other. That just comes with it.

2019 defense looked raggamuffin in the NFCCG to me

[texas]

I want to keep Rodgers because he's our guy and he's the MVP, but if I'm being completely objective, some of these trade deals being thrown around are pretty much no-brainers, assuming the salary cap works out. He turns 38 this season. That's like a year younger than Manning when Manning totally fell off the cliff (and also won the Super Bowl because this is a team sport and this example bolsters the argument even further). This is almost surely the "sell high" point for an asset that will almost surely depreciate, possibly suddenly and to a great extent. And he also gets injured every couple of years.

The only counterpoint is that SBs are so hard to come by, and if you have a legit chance (as we should), then you do everything you can to get there. And Rodgers almost certainly gives us our best chance to win next year.

[YoHoChecko]

Schniedman from The Athletic reports that the Packers have still/ are still saying no deal to teams reaching out

[Acrobat]

Schniedman from The Athletic reports that the Packers have still/ are still saying no deal to teams reaching out

The fact that things haven't changed now that it's June 1st tells me that there are really only 2 scenarios that will play out before the start of the season:

1. Rodgers shows up and plays
2. Rodgers doesn't show up and doesn't play

Seems like the FO is saying FU.

[APB]

Schniedman from The Athletic reports that the Packers have still/ are still saying no deal to teams reaching out

The fact that things haven't changed now that it's June 1st tells me that there are really only 2 scenarios that will play out before the start of the season:

1. Rodgers shows up and plays
2. Rodgers doesn't show up and doesn't play

Seems like the FO is saying FU.

2a. You don't own the only football. Take yours and go home if it suits you.

[go pak go]

I defend Rodgers because Rodgers meant more to our wining most seasons then the supporting cast did, and you've supported the rag muffin defense that rarely ever gave up less then 25 pts a game, or receivers that rarely beat 1 on 1 coverage over Rodgers, thats why I defend Rodgers.

you don't think we can be as good minus Rodgers, yet you blame him for our losses, you bet I blame this FO before I blame the QB, minus him and we'd probably still have McCarthy.

So the 2010, 2014 and 2019 (and a lesser extent 2020) defenses were rag muffin defenses?

Because those are the only defenses I was defending.

And yoop, of course the QB should mean more to a team's success of winning games than any other specific position. It is why so much resources are allocated to that position. And the Packers have allocated more cap to that position over the last 10 years than any other team in the league which means that position will need to carry the team more than others due to it being rewarded more than any other. That just comes with it.

2019 defense looked raggamuffin in the NFCCG to me

And Rodgers was a Raggamuffin QB in the 2019 NFFCG too. But that wasn't the statement. The statement was GETTING to the NFCCG.

[go pak go]

I defend Rodgers because Rodgers meant more to our wining most seasons then the supporting cast did, and you've supported the rag muffin defense that rarely ever gave up less then 25 pts a game, or receivers that rarely beat 1 on 1 coverage over Rodgers, thats why I defend Rodgers.

you don't think we can be as good minus Rodgers, yet you blame him for our losses, you bet I blame this FO before I blame the QB, minus him and we'd probably still have McCarthy.

So the 2010, 2014 and 2019 (and a lesser extent 2020) defenses were rag muffin defenses?

Because those are the only defenses I was defending.

And yoop, of course the QB should mean more to a team's success of winning games than any other specific position. It is why so much resources are allocated to that position. And the Packers have allocated more cap to that position over the last 10 years than any other team in the league which means that position will need to carry the team more than others due to it being rewarded more than any other. That just comes with it.

Rodgers is #8 for highest paid players, so no, the Packers did not pay more for our QB then any other team, nice try

https://www.businessinsider.com/highest ... million-23

I don't know what this is really trying to prove. The data presented isn't relevant to my statement.

My guess is Matt Ryan is the one player who may be higher than Rodgers in terms of earnings the past 10 years. The one thing I will say is that Rodgers was on a very team friendly deal from 2009 - 2014. It was also the period where the Packers missed their biggest opportunity and should have been the era of winning a few rings.

[Raptorman]

The claim was total cap dollars spent at QB over the past 10 years combined.

I don't know where to find that info, but neither of the responses had anything to do with it. Single-year cap dollar snippets AND/OR new money/new year contract averages do not correlate at all to the claim.

I'm sure I'm missing someone. But this is the last 10 years for QB active in 2020.

Code: Select all

Ryan	        $211,808,000
Brees           $206,848,000
Rodgers         $206,728,000
Stafford        $196,506,000
Roethlisburger	$194,907,000
Brady           $172,910,000

[go pak go]

The claim was total cap dollars spent at QB over the past 10 years combined.

I don't know where to find that info, but neither of the responses had anything to do with it. Single-year cap dollar snippets AND/OR new money/new year contract averages do not correlate at all to the claim.

I'm sure I'm missing someone. But this is the last 10 years for QB active in 2020.

Code: Select all

Ryan	        $211,808,000
Brees           $206,848,000
Rodgers         $206,728,000
Stafford        $196,506,000
Roethlisburger	$194,907,000
Brady           $172,910,000

My guess is Matt Ryan is the one player who may be higher than Rodgers in terms of earnings the past 10 years. The one thing I will say is that Rodgers was on a very team friendly deal from 2009 - 2014. It was also the period where the Packers missed their biggest opportunity and should have been the era of winning a few rings.

I was wrong by $120,000


I do find it interesting though that really only Brees and Rodgers on this list have had consistently successful teams until you get to the lower paid Brady. Pittsburgh is close too but definitely to a lesser extent.

The QB position must produce when they are paid at the high level or else your franchise is stuck in a purgatory or worse of performance.

[Yoop]

The claim was total cap dollars spent at QB over the past 10 years combined.

I don't know where to find that info, but neither of the responses had anything to do with it. Single-year cap dollar snippets AND/OR new money/new year contract averages do not correlate at all to the claim.

I'm sure I'm missing someone. But this is the last 10 years for QB active in 2020.

Code: Select all

Ryan	        $211,808,000
Brees           $206,848,000
Rodgers         $206,728,000
Stafford        $196,506,000
Roethlisburger	$194,907,000
Brady           $172,910,000

My guess is Matt Ryan is the one player who may be higher than Rodgers in terms of earnings the past 10 years. The one thing I will say is that Rodgers was on a very team friendly deal from 2009 - 2014. It was also the period where the Packers missed their biggest opportunity and should have been the era of winning a few rings.

I was wrong by $120,000


I do find it interesting though that really only Brees and Rodgers on this list have had consistently successful teams until you get to the lower paid Brady. Pittsburgh is close too but definitely to a lesser extent.

The QB position must produce when they are paid at the high level or else your franchise is stuck in a purgatory or worse of performance.

7 players made more then Rodgers in there football careers, and all most all SB winners the last decade have had very expensive QB's, yet where still able to assemble top tier talented teams, we are finally now assembling a top tier defense, ST's is still a ? mark.

Rodgers is upset and threatening to leave because he doesn't feel the FO is or has done enough to win it all, I think thats changed since Guty took over, but it doesn't appear that Rodgers is convinced, and while he says the Love pick wasn't the last straw, It sure as hell didn't help matters.

the point I was trying to make is that most SB winners have expensive QB's just as we do, your the one who turned this into, Ya But, he was the most expensive of all, as though a few mil is the reason our talent level was not better.

[Raptorman]

The claim was total cap dollars spent at QB over the past 10 years combined.

I don't know where to find that info, but neither of the responses had anything to do with it. Single-year cap dollar snippets AND/OR new money/new year contract averages do not correlate at all to the claim.

I'm sure I'm missing someone. But this is the last 10 years for QB active in 2020.

Code: Select all

Ryan	        $211,808,000
Brees           $206,848,000
Rodgers         $206,728,000
Stafford        $196,506,000
Roethlisburger	$194,907,000
Brady           $172,910,000

My guess is Matt Ryan is the one player who may be higher than Rodgers in terms of earnings the past 10 years. The one thing I will say is that Rodgers was on a very team friendly deal from 2009 - 2014. It was also the period where the Packers missed their biggest opportunity and should have been the era of winning a few rings.

I was wrong by $120,000


I do find it interesting though that really only Brees and Rodgers on this list have had consistently successful teams until you get to the lower paid Brady. Pittsburgh is close too but definitely to a lesser extent.

The QB position must produce when they are paid at the high level or else your franchise is stuck in a purgatory or worse of performance.

I would tell you to look at the ranking of the defense in PPG but I keep getting told that's BS and it doesn't matter. Apparently, all that matters is that the QB produces and not be overpaid.

In those 10 years, Rodgers has had a top 10 defense in ppg 1 time. Ben 4 times, Stafford 1, Brady 7, Ryan 2, Brees 2. And only Brady has won the Super Bowl in the last 10 years.

[go pak go]

I'm sure I'm missing someone. But this is the last 10 years for QB active in 2020.

Code: Select all

Ryan	        $211,808,000
Brees           $206,848,000
Rodgers         $206,728,000
Stafford        $196,506,000
Roethlisburger	$194,907,000
Brady           $172,910,000

My guess is Matt Ryan is the one player who may be higher than Rodgers in terms of earnings the past 10 years. The one thing I will say is that Rodgers was on a very team friendly deal from 2009 - 2014. It was also the period where the Packers missed their biggest opportunity and should have been the era of winning a few rings.

I was wrong by $120,000


I do find it interesting though that really only Brees and Rodgers on this list have had consistently successful teams until you get to the lower paid Brady. Pittsburgh is close too but definitely to a lesser extent.

The QB position must produce when they are paid at the high level or else your franchise is stuck in a purgatory or worse of performance.

7 players made more then Rodgers in there football careers, and all most all SB winners the last decade have had very expensive QB's, yet where still able to assemble top tier talented teams, we are finally now assembling a top tier defense, ST's is still a ? mark.

Not relevant.

[Ghost_Lombardi]

This player is not available for trade.

This player is not available for trade.

This player is not available for trade.

Player traded....

Management is always going to say he is unavailable, until he's traded.

June 8th is a big day I remember right. First mandatory stuff.

[go pak go]

I'm sure I'm missing someone. But this is the last 10 years for QB active in 2020.

Code: Select all

Ryan	        $211,808,000
Brees           $206,848,000
Rodgers         $206,728,000
Stafford        $196,506,000
Roethlisburger	$194,907,000
Brady           $172,910,000

My guess is Matt Ryan is the one player who may be higher than Rodgers in terms of earnings the past 10 years. The one thing I will say is that Rodgers was on a very team friendly deal from 2009 - 2014. It was also the period where the Packers missed their biggest opportunity and should have been the era of winning a few rings.

I was wrong by $120,000


I do find it interesting though that really only Brees and Rodgers on this list have had consistently successful teams until you get to the lower paid Brady. Pittsburgh is close too but definitely to a lesser extent.

The QB position must produce when they are paid at the high level or else your franchise is stuck in a purgatory or worse of performance.

I would tell you to look at the ranking of the defense in PPG but I keep getting told that's BS and it doesn't matter. Apparently, all that matters is that the QB produces and not be overpaid.

In those 10 years, Rodgers has had a top 10 defense in ppg 1 time. Ben 4 times, Stafford 1, Brady 7, Ryan 2, Brees 2. And only Brady has won the Super Bowl in the last 10 years.

I mean pretty much any "SB analysis" is skewed by QB because of the complete and utter domination by Tom Brady.

And I agree about the defense. That is the area that Packers have dropped the ball the most during the past 10 years. For whatever reason they have not been able to consistently field a quality defense even though they have "tried" to so many times with the use of high end draft picks and FA signings. The defense was decent in spurts and it seems at least in the BG era to be on a higher level of competence compared to the earlier portion of the decade.

[NCF]

This player is not available for trade.

This player is not available for trade.

This player is not available for trade.

Player traded....

Management is always going to say he is unavailable, until he's traded.

June 8th is a big day I remember right. First mandatory stuff.

I agree it is the best company line even if it is not true... I don't think the Packers brass is bluffing, though.

[Raptorman]

I was wrong by $120,000


I do find it interesting though that really only Brees and Rodgers on this list have had consistently successful teams until you get to the lower paid Brady. Pittsburgh is close too but definitely to a lesser extent.

The QB position must produce when they are paid at the high level or else your franchise is stuck in a purgatory or worse of performance.

I would tell you to look at the ranking of the defense in PPG but I keep getting told that's BS and it doesn't matter. Apparently, all that matters is that the QB produces and not be overpaid.

In those 10 years, Rodgers has had a top 10 defense in ppg 1 time. Ben 4 times, Stafford 1, Brady 7, Ryan 2, Brees 2. And only Brady has won the Super Bowl in the last 10 years.

I mean pretty much any "SB analysis" is skewed by QB because of the complete and utter domination by Tom Brady.

Keep believing the Brady myth if you want. Brady would not be anywhere near the winning QB he is today without the defenses he had in New England. Does his play contribute to some of that defensive attributes? I'm sure it does. But can you imagine Rodgers's records if the Packers gave up an average of 18 ppg instead of 23 ppg? That's the difference in Brady's and Rodgers's defense over their careers.